Circling The Arguments (SCO thread v. 32)

[HereticBD]

The only issue to bet over was the one YOU put forth. You stated and I can quote it, that the 'Barr report is the last word on this matter'. That is your position. My position is opposite. Neither literally or figuratively will the Barr report be the last words.

Wait, are you saying that new information will come out in the Mueller report that will somehow reverse or alter Barr's ultimate decision?

If that's the case, take the bet @bobgeese.

 

[bobgeese]

Bob, bets are based on positions that people take opposing sides on. Not on one person offering something the other side did not say anything about.

If I say Adam Schiff will finish his term in Congress as Chair of his committees and not step down as the Republicans demanded and you are a bitch if you don't take that bet, that would be wrong as you have not said Schiff will not finish his term. I would be making shit up.

You are making shit up.

The only issue to bet over was the one YOU put forth. You stated and I can quote it, that the 'Barr report is the last word on this matter'. That is your position. My position is opposite. Neither literally or figuratively will the Barr report be the last words.

That ia very clear bet. You can stand behind your position as quoted, and I can stand behind mine. We oppose one another and can see who ends up correct. I even offer you favourable terms if, in fact, you feel you are correct are willing to man up and stand behind your words. If I win i get your Av and Sig for 1 month. If you win you get mine for 12 months.

That is how much I am willing to stand behind my quoted words. You on the other hand will never stand behind your quoted words. Will you?

For the 300th time, Barr stated there isn’t enough evidence to justify an OOJ charge.

That is the last word.

 

[bobgeese]

Wait, are you saying that new information will come out in the Mueller report that will somehow reverse or alter Barr's ultimate decision?

If that's the case, take the bet @bobgeese.

No, he literally stated,

“Congress will have more words”





Bless his heart...

 

[HereticBD]

No, he literally stated,

“Congress will have more words”





Bless his heart...

But he's clarified that Barr won't have the last word "literally or figuratively"

Clear up what you mean by that @MikeMcMann. What are you actually saying about the ultimate decision by the AG? That it won't stand?

 

[CrazyN8]

No, he literally stated,

“Congress will have more words”





Bless his heart...

People will say more words? That's a bold prediction.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Wait, are you saying that new information will come out in the Mueller report that will somehow reverse or alter Barr's ultimate decision?

If that's the case, take the bet @bobgeese.

Wow your comprehension is complete shit.

Firstly Barr there is nothing to 'reverse' in what Barr said. Barr offered his personal opinion as Trumps [political appointee and advocate and it is nothing but that. HIs personal view. You do not 'reverse' someones personal view.

The bet is a simple one as stated by Bob and yes as you say he should take it. Or I offer it to you.

Whether you take Bob literally or figuratively Bob saying Barr's view is "final word" on this means that NOTHING will come from anyone going forward (Congress or other) that adds ANYTHING to this discussion. Bob is saying it is done, NOW as of the Barr report.

So lets take that to the bet thread. We can pick Mods or anyone to judge who is right and if ANYTHING comes out that anyone agrees is additional information that proves that Barr's Report did not equal the 'final word', that more of substance and value to the discourse did come out post the Barr Report.

Happy to have you take that bet.

 

[MikeMcMann]

For the 300th time, Barr stated there isn’t enough evidence to justify an OOJ charge.

That is the last word.

No, he literally stated,

“Congress will have more words”





Bless his heart...

And they will have more words. That you think that is funny is just because you are stupid.

I am happy to take that bet Bob. Happy to take it with you or @HereticBD.

This quote will form the basis of the bet

"Barr stated there isn’t enough evidence to justify an OOJ charge.

That is the last word..."

If, in fact this constitutes the last word, and nothing of substance or meaning comes out post the Barr Report to add to the conversation on this topic you will win.

So take the bet. We will even use your quote so you get to put forth the core of the bet.

 

[HereticBD]

Whether you take Bob literally or figuratively Bob saying Barr's view is "final word" on this means that NOTHING will come from anyone going forward (Congress or other) that adds ANYTHING to this discussion. Bob is saying it is done, NOW as of the Barr report.

Oh', so you are actually proposing betting on literal words. Pretty sad, bruh.

Will Barr's decision on the matter, that Mueller found no collusion, stand or not? That's really all that matters. Anything less than that is just you playing stupid games about what you define "the last word" as, and it's pretty fucking sad and pathetic TBH.

 

[andnowweknow]

lol from Trump this morning:

Re: SDNY

"I don't think there is an SDNY investigation into me, but I haven't been paying attention so I don't know"

RE: Taxes

"I provided a 400 page report on my finances, people didn't like that because it was too good"

what a guy.

 

[kpt018]

If I recall correctly, I would have won the proposed bet in the event that Trump's RCP average reached his highest level since the period of his inauguration. He hit 44.4% after the Barr letter came out, which is his highest level since the period of his inauguration, so I think I would have won the bet.

Maybe my memory is off but I thought you had a more aggressive bump in mind.

 

[MikeMcMann]

People will say more words? That's a bold prediction.

Its not a prediction its a contradiction of Bob' position.

Barr offered his opinion ONLY of this take on the Mueller report. Nothing he says is binding or as @HereticBD ignorantly thinks a binding decision that needs to be "reversed" (lol so much ignorance). When you say something is the 'last word' it means figuratively or literally that no one will have anything to say on this matter. It is done. A parent to a child saying 'that is the last word I will hear on this' means just that.

I am saying Congress will still get their say on it. They will get to review it and they will get to offer their opinion and likely there may be litigation and other to follow.

If Bob is correct all anyone would have to do to dismiss any Congress is go to court and say 'Bob Barr already had the last word. THis matter is done' and if the courts agree, if that is in fact accurate, the Courts will not even listen to Congress. THe last word was had. If the Courts listen, then that proves it was not the last word.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Oh', so you are actually proposing betting on literal words. Pretty sad, bruh.

Will Barr's decision on the matter, that Mueller found no collusion, stand or not? That's really all that matters. Anything less than that is just you playing stupid games about what you define "the last word" as, and it's pretty fucking sad and pathetic TBH.

I will bet on the 'literal' or 'figurative'.

Literal - no other words will be said. ie, 'last words'

Figurative - more may be said literally but nothing that will be considered by anyone as Bob Barr's report can be cited as the 'last words' on the topic and therefore nothing else can be heard or considered.


So if for instance Congress views things differently and a Court has to decided who is right that means both literally and figuratively that Bob Barr's report was not the last word. Congress words had to be considered and a Court had to decide. If those things have to happen then there is no legit way to call Barr's report the last word.

An example for the daft here would be... when the Supreme Court decides a case and there are no more appeals available' that is the last word on that case. A lawyer may try to bring it up elsewhere but it simply gets dismissed 'the Supreme court has ruled and there will be no more consideration'. If it was a lower court that ruled and appeals existed and where applied for but Bobgeese tried to say the lower court had the last word, that would be wrong. Figuratively wrong and literally wrong.

Bobgeese is basically saying 'I agree with the lower court ruling and therefore it will be the last word'. That is wrong. The last word comes from the appeals court or supreme court. Words have meaning.

 

[hillelslovak87]

And you don’t think with the increased scrutiny over the last 3 years, the irs wouldn’t be looking for these issues?

Also, you realize his taxes have passed through many other hands than just the irs? You don’t think something major would have been leaked if it existed?

The IRS and other agencies routinely miss white collar crime. It results in a seismic shift in department attention across the board since 9/11. Massive shifts in manpower and resources pivoted towards terrorism and away from white collar criminal activity. It has not really changed.

I would also think Trump appointing stooges to the post would help him as well. He is using the machinery of the executive branch to shield himself, clearly.

 

[bobgeese]

The IRS and other agencies routinely miss white collar crime. It results in a seismic shift in department attention across the board since 9/11. Massive shifts in manpower and resources pivoted towards terrorism and away from white collar criminal activity. It has not really changed.

I would also think Trump appointing stooges to the post would help him as well. He is using the machinery of the executive branch to shield himself, clearly.

<{cruzshake}>


Trump absolutely cannot appoint someone to review his taxes.

 

[hillelslovak87]

<{cruzshake}>


Trump absolutely cannot appoint someone to review his taxes.

Well, that's good. The Appropriate committees in the house are entitled to any taxpayer's taxes, and the head of the IRS is required to furnish them.

Real question - Do you think Trump's taxes from say, 2010 are still under audit like he claims? If not, why do you think he's hiding them?

 

[kpt018]

Well, that's good. The Appropriate committees in the house are entitled to any taxpayer's taxes, and the head of the IRS is required to furnish them.

Real question - Do you think Trump's taxes from say, 2010 are still under audit like he claims? If not, why do you think he's hiding them?

Even if he is being audited that's not a reason to refuse to release them.

 

[bobgeese]

Well, that's good. The Appropriate committees in the house are entitled to any taxpayer's taxes, and the head of the IRS is required to furnish them.

Real question - Do you think Trump's taxes from say, 2010 are still under audit like he claims? If not, why do you think he's hiding them?

Of course not.

My guess, he’s hiding a baby mama or two.

 

[bobgeese]

I will bet on the 'literal' or 'figurative'.

Literal - no other words will be said. ie, 'last words'

Figurative - more may be said literally but nothing that will be considered by anyone as Bob Barr's report can be cited as the 'last words' on the topic and therefore nothing else can be heard or considered.


So if for instance Congress views things differently and a Court has to decided who is right that means both literally and figuratively that Bob Barr's report was not the last word. Congress words had to be considered and a Court had to decide. If those things have to happen then there is no legit way to call Barr's report the last word.

An example for the daft here would be... when the Supreme Court decides a case and there are no more appeals available' that is the last word on that case. A lawyer may try to bring it up elsewhere but it simply gets dismissed 'the Supreme court has ruled and there will be no more consideration'. If it was a lower court that ruled and appeals existed and where applied for but Bobgeese tried to say the lower court had the last word, that would be wrong. Figuratively wrong and literally wrong.

Bobgeese is basically saying 'I agree with the lower court ruling and therefore it will be the last word'. That is wrong. The last word comes from the appeals court or supreme court. Words have meaning.

Barr having the last word means there will not be an impeachment and removal from office for OOJ.


Agree or disagree.


Again, that’s the only thing that matters.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Barr having the last word means there will not be an impeachment and removal from office for OOJ.


Agree or disagree.


Again, that’s the only thing that matters.

Barr's view of the Mueller report despite what you and @HereticBD may wrongly think is not a ruling. It is not something that has to be over turned. it is simply his opinion on a document. Alan Dershowitz will have an opinion once he sees what he sees. Rachel Maddow will have an opinion when she sees what she sees. And many others will have opinions.

None of them, including Barr's opinion means anything with regards to settling this issue. the only ones who matter was Mueller's team with regards to whether they indicted or not, and that aspect is done. The only other one that matters now is the Congress with regards to whether they choose to impeach or not after reviewing whatever they see.

so again, NO, Barr does not get the last word. You are simply wrong. The last word(s) will come from Congress and likely the Supreme Court. Barr's opinion, like the others I have mentioned won't even likely be a factor in those deliberations.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Even if he is being audited that's not a reason to refuse to release them.

I think even a cursory knowledge of what an audit is leads me to think the president's claim is obvious bullshit, to say nothing of the fact you elucidated in this post.