International China overtakes US in quantum computing

[DespicablePeep]

They are literally building an island in the south China sea to claim the entire region

The south sea will be a major conflict, China is almost buying Duterte out, if they break with US the south sea will be a reality.

US and China will probably scale their commercial war.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

What regulation is holding up quantum computing exactly, or are you just dribbling shit?

Is there regulation in the US against investing in STEM research, or just a political belief that it's the role of private enterprise instead of government investment and PPPs?

Interesting approach to quantum computing by the Chinese, although in every case I've looked into so far the performance claims mentioned have been very narrowly focused and were in no way applicable to general computing.
For instance when Google said their Sycamore machine was, "100 million times faster than a classical computer" (which is disputed), they were checking the outputs from a quantum random-number generator.
Essentially their performance metric was emulating a quantum computer on a classical computer (and even then IBM says they could have made the calculations in 2.5 days, not 10,000 years).

So people talking about the Chinese being quick to adopt new tech in daily life... well Quantum computing still has a ways to go.

Worker's rights laws and hardware production.

also, chill

 

[Ruprecht]

Worker's rights laws and hardware production.

also, chill

Neither apply significantly to quantum research.
You're excusing poor choices in investment by attacking workers rights.
The fact is China just moved to spend 10 billion (US) on their National Quantum Research laboratory which they've been investing in heavily for some time, while the US unveiled a budget last year for 1 billion on Quantum computingg and AI research.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

Neither apply significantly to quantum research.
You're excusing poor choices in investment by attacking workers rights.
The fact is China just moved to spend 10 billion (US) on their National Quantum Research laboratory which they've been investing in heavily for some time, while the US unveiled a budget last year for 1 billion on Quantum computingg and AI research.

It does. Scientists work insane hours and are underpaid.
the amount of parts necessary to make a QC is upward of $10 million. How much do you think a QC is made in china for a QC that is overseen by the Chinese gov?

also never believe public numbers stated by china.

 

[Ruprecht]

It does. developers work insane hours.
the amount of parts necessary to make a QC is upward of $10 million. How much do you think a QC is made in china for a QC that is overseen by the Chinese gov?

also never believe public numbers stated by china.

common sense

"Common sense" aka bullshit.

Quantum research isn't being pushed forwards by cheaper prices on electronics, nor unpaid overtime.
Google and IBM are certainly not falling short when it comes to developing hardware, but well funded federal research programs are another matter altogether. Just look at the space race.
When NASA was getting close on 5% of Federal spending, it's amazing what got done.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

"Common sense" aka bullshit.

Quantum research isn't being pushed forwards by cheaper prices on electronics, nor unpaid overtime.
Google and IBM are certainly not falling short when it comes to developing hardware, but well funded federal research programs are another matter altogether. Just look at the space race.

well you're comparing a QC funded by a private company (Google)
To a QC owned and funded by the Chinese government.

Even if they did Spend $10B on Quantum computing, where do you think the money come from
US wouldn't be cool with 10 billion of tax dollars being invested into something that really has no beneficial effect on society. (Yes, quantum Computing has no practical benefit to society)

What do you think incentivizes scientists who work for The Chinese government then?
What happens if they perform sub-optimally?

 

[Ruprecht]

well you're comparing a QC funded by a private company (Google)
To a QC owned and funded by the Chinese government.

Even if they did Spend $10B on Quantum computing, where do you think the money come from
US wouldn't be cool with 10 billion of tax dollars being invested into something that really has no beneficial effect on society. (Yes, quantum Computing has no practical benefit to society)

What do you think incentives scientists who work for The Chinese government then?
What happens if they perform poorly?

That's because the US development is being pushed primarily by private enterprise. Google. IBM. Rigetti. IonQ. Of course Google did partner with NASA, so that was a PPP, but relying on private enterprise is your model:

U.S. Chief Technology Officer Michael Kratsios told me. “We will succeed because the federal government partners with private-sector and academic leaders from all across the country to accelerate foundational research and promote free-market innovation and commercialization.”

These companies are spending millions though, not 10s of billions. It's not a model that leans heavily into funding of blue skies research.

 

[Iron Nick]

Gotta love how the left is brought up when it comes to america's lack of science education etc. because of them allegedly being so unscientific when it's the right who's got by far the most flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy-theorists and religious nuts.

If the left would be more dominant in the US, education would be far better; the more a country is ruled by the right, the worse the education gets.
Similarly, the right always profits if there are large portions of uneducated people in a country.

 

[Deorum]

Gotta love how the left is brought up when it comes to america's lack of science education etc. because of them allegedly being so unscientific when it's the right who's got by far the most flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy-theorists and religious nuts.

If the left would be more dominant in the US, education would be far better; the more a country is ruled by the right, the worse the education gets.
Similarly, the right always profits if there are large portions of uneducated people in a country.

"The rightists are fucking retards, period." - @Jack V Savage

The fact is China just moved to spend 10 billion (US) on their National Quantum Research laboratory which they've been investing in heavily for some time, while the US unveiled a budget last year for 1 billion on Quantum computingg and AI research.

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/163227576/

When NASA was getting close on 5% of Federal spending, it's amazing what got done.

A damn shame, we'll never see anything like it again.

The unawareness seems to be one of the moon hoax talking points and drives skepticism about why it hasn't been done since. Like, which human-rated SHLLV capable of supporting manned exploration of the moon do people suggest they should have gone back with by now? There hasn't been one in production since 1973. People don't realize how powerful the Saturn V actually was: capable of launching a payload of 140 metric tons into low earth orbit and nearly 50 to the moon.

By comparison, the Space Shuttle which ran overlong from 1981-2011, ate up a significant portion of NASA's budget and wasn't capable of space travel beyond LEO had max lift capacity of 25 MT. The Saturn V could've theoretically launched the International Space Station in three payloads as opposed to the several dozen it actually took to assemble on far lesser launch vehicles. It did launch an entire space station into orbit (Skylab) in its final mission in one shot. The Russians had four catastrophes on their hands attempting to level with this... thing.



This was a pretty awesome internet drop too.

Project Apollo Archive

Oh, only around 10,000+ unprocessed photos organized by mission and sorted by the rolls of film they were on. People really ought to sub to NSF L2 and then explain why there are hundreds of thousands of "fake" photos NASA produced which were never even released to keep the hoax going. Or why they bothered making 800 page manuals for missions that never took place, but I digress. Some of the Earth shots are incredible.

 

[BForrester]

We all know innovation is what America goes on about, but China might be leading the next 100 years on that front as well. Does it scare you to think about a China that may eventually pass us tech wise?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-achieved-quantum-supremacy-new-computer.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technol...s-quantumsupremacy-tech-race-us-europe-heats/

It's normal. Egypt, Greece, Rome, Britain, and Germany were, at various points in history, the global leaders in technological innovation.

 

[aries]

I'm not American. Nor am I blind to their faults. They are still, by orders of magnitude, better than China.

And China, like all bullies, is only aggressive with people they know can't hit back.

Are you serious? That explains why the US invaded North Korea and Iran when they threatened us with the possibility of developing nuclear weapons..... oh wait. The US are the biggest bullies on the planet. I can't even believe you are going there.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Are you serious? That explains why the US invaded North Korea and Iran when they threatened us with the possibility of developing nuclear weapons..... oh wait. The US are the biggest bullies on the planet. I can't even believe you are going there.

Let me know when the Americans release a virus that kills that causes millions of deaths and massive economic damage in the West.

The CCP are the scum of the earth. Anyone who thinks differently hasn't been paying attention.

 

[superpunch]

That's because the US development is being pushed primarily by private enterprise. Google. IBM. Rigetti. IonQ. Of course Google did partner with NASA, so that was a PPP, but relying on private enterprise is your model:



These companies are spending millions though, not 10s of billions. It's not a model that leans heavily into funding of blue skies research.

I don't think we can afford to do that though. The part of our GDP that would normally be free to spend on things like moon missions and this kind of research is spent on healthcare instead. 20% vs the OECD normal of 8%. That 12% of GDP that doesn't have to go to the military, welfare, etc. is where there's enough expendable money for things like Mars missions can be freed up. But tbh i don't know if that will ever happen, we're never going to take care of this gigantic graft that eats up 1/5th of our economy.

 

[Hadron90]

Fake news. We are more diverse, therefor we are stronger.

 

[Legicato]

Are you serious? That explains why the US invaded North Korea and Iran when they threatened us with the possibility of developing nuclear weapons..... oh wait. The US are the biggest bullies on the planet. I can't even believe you are going there.

WTF kind a idiocy is that ? NK invaded south first, and lol at US fearing NK developing nukes in 1950.

When the fuck did US invade Iran, are you brain dead ?

 

[Deorum]

Let me know when the Americans release a virus that kills that causes millions of deaths and massive economic damage in the West.

The CCP are the scum of the earth. Anyone who thinks differently hasn't been paying attention.

WTF kind a idiocy is that ? NK invaded south first, and lol at US fearing NK developing nukes in 1950.

When the fuck did US invade Iran, are you brain dead ?

The Murica Evil Empire folx do have a point but it's kind of weak to compare how a country operates domestically and treats its own citizens to that of another's foreign policy. It isn't like-for-like. Is the US worse than the People's Republic of China -- you know, the ethnonationalist one-party authoritarian surveillance state that promulgates Han/Sino supremacist ideology? Afterall, America has been far more destructive on the international stage.

Yeah, and there's literally one reason for that which has nothing to do with superior Chinese morality. Let the CCP usurp America's post-1945 position and really start flexing on non-PRC citizens in the near future as it continues accumulating economic, technological and geopolitical power. When left to their own devices where the treatment of other countries and populations are concerned, I doubt it's a pretty picture. They're restrained on regional aggression mainly due to US security alliances.

 

[freakroor]

big deal, they probably stole most of their tech from usa.

 

[aries]

Let me know when the Americans release a virus that kills that causes millions of deaths and massive economic damage in the West.

The CCP are the scum of the earth. Anyone who thinks differently hasn't been paying attention.

Yeah like I thought you had no answer to my point that America are the biggest bullies around. You hate China, I get it.

 

[aries]

WTF kind a idiocy is that ? NK invaded south first, and lol at US fearing NK developing nukes in 1950.

When the fuck did US invade Iran, are you brain dead ?

Wow you totally missed the obvious sarcasm that the US has never invaded NK or Iran but they fucking should have done if they were really the governors of world peace.

Stay with me, I know your attention span isn't that great but the two biggest threats to world peace are Iran and North Korea because as we've been told many times they are the axis of evil. BUT despite telling the US to fuck off they are allowed to pursue their nuclear programmes. But the US have never once threatened to invade either because they know that unlike soft targets like Iraq and Afghanistan they won't just walk over both those countries, especially North Korea because they know China won't just let that happen. So yeah they are bullies.

 

[tramendous]

America raped China during the Boxer Rebellion, though. As for the Korean War, the Chinese did have some success early on, mainly because the Allies didn't see it coming. Once the Americans started to counter-attack, the Chinese got their shit pushed in; I believe the casualty rate was at least 4 - 1 in the American's favour. Hell, the USMC kicked the shit out of the PLA while being forced into a prolonged tactical withdrawal, leading to the famous quote,

"Marines don't retreat - we Advance to the Rear!"

Marines sound like sore losers.