International China overtakes US in quantum computing

[KnightTemplar]

Yeah like I thought you had no answer to my point that America are the biggest bullies around. You hate China, I get it.

You're half right: I hate China. And so does every other right thinking person.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Marines sound like sore losers.

 

[aries]

You're half right: I hate China. And so does every other right thinking person.

Why? What have they done to you personally out of interest?

 

[Legicato]

Wow you totally missed the obvious sarcasm that the US has never invaded NK or Iran but they fucking should have done if they were really the governors of world peace.

Stay with me, I know your attention span isn't that great but the two biggest threats to world peace are Iran and North Korea because as we've been told many times they are the axis of evil. BUT despite telling the US to fuck off they are allowed to pursue their nuclear programmes. But the US have never once threatened to invade either because they know that unlike soft targets like Iraq and Afghanistan they won't just walk over both those countries, especially North Korea because they know China won't just let that happen. So yeah they are bullies.

NK is Chinas problem and on their leash.

Iran is a broke and more worried about an interval revolution then anything else. And both would be a walk in the park for the US military to destroy, and there is no point in occupying either hellhole if they send them back to the stone age.

Afghans are tougher then both those shitholes.

 

[aries]

NK is Chinas problem and on their leash.

Iran is a broke and more worried about an interval revolution then anything else. And both would be a walk in the park for the US military to destroy, and there is no point in occupying either hellhole if they send them back to the stone age.

Afghans are tougher then both those shitholes.

If Iran is so easy, why are the US letting them destabilize Iraq? If you look at it objectively, Iraq has forced the US out of Iraq. Looks like a win to me. A walk in the park? Both nations are the Axis of Evil but they are being allowed to pursue their nuclear ambitions. Only Israel seems to have the balls to do something about them.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Why? What have they done to you personally out of interest?

- Killed more of my countrymen than died in the Blitz during WWII.

- Caused a massive economic downturn in the UK, with tens of thousands of people losing their jobs, businesses etc.

- Greatly reduced my quality of life. Before China Flu hit, I enjoyed going to the gym, training in the martial arts and going to the movies. I can't do any of those things now. The BJJ Academy I train at, which is one of the best in Scotland, hasn't been able to hold full contact sessions for almost a year.

My father turns 85 in March; I will not be able to take him out for a meal, because the lockdown restrictions will not have been lifted by then. I will not be able to go on holiday until the middle of summer at the earliest.

My niece gave birth seven months ago. I saw her baby daughter for the first time just before Xmas, and that was standing outside, with two metres between us. I couldn't even hold her in my arms.

- Placed my life, and the lives of other people I care for, at risk. I work Retail, which means eight hours in close proximity to customers and colleagues every day. It means washing your hands so many times a day they are red raw by the end of a shift. And it means thinking, "is this it?" every time you start coughing, or the room feels a little hot. Oh, and we have to pay for the PPE we wear out of our own pockets.

The Chinese are my enemy. I will never trust them. I will never respect them. I will always hate them.

 

[aries]

- Killed more of my countrymen than died in the Blitz during WWII.

- Caused a massive economic downturn in the UK, with tens of thousands of people losing their jobs, businesses etc.

- Greatly reduced my quality of life. Before China Flu hit, I enjoyed going to the gym, training in the martial arts and going to the movies. I can't do any of those things now. The BJJ Academy I train at, which is one of the best in Scotland, hasn't been able to hold full contact sessions for almost a year.

My father turns 85 in March; I will not be able to take him out for a meal, because the lockdown restrictions will not have been lifted by then. I will not be able to go on holiday until the middle of summer at the earliest.

- Placed my life, and the lives of other people I care for, at risk. I work Retail, which means eight hours in close proximity to customers and colleagues. Oh, and we have to pay for the PPE we wear out of our own pockets.

The Chinese are my enemy. I will never trust them. I will never respect them. I will always hate them.

So you are saying that the CCP caused Covid? Get to fuck you wee fucking dafty! That's how they say it in Scotland right?

 

[Legicato]

If Iran is so easy, why are the US letting them destabilize Iraq? If you look at it objectively, Iraq has forced the US out of Iraq. Looks like a win to me. A walk in the park? Both nations are the Axis of Evil but they are being allowed to pursue their nuclear ambitions. Only Israel seems to have the balls to do something about them.

If you look at it with any brains you'd see US is now capable of net oil production, before majority of oil was imported. Iraq lost its relevancy in American eyes.

Its that basic, even you should comprehend it.

 

[Sauron]

- Killed more of my countrymen than died in the Blitz during WWII.

- Caused a massive economic downturn in the UK, with tens of thousands of people losing their jobs, businesses etc.

- Greatly reduced my quality of life. Before China Flu hit, I enjoyed going to the gym, training in the martial arts and going to the movies. I can't do any of those things now. The BJJ Academy I train at, which is one of the best in Scotland, hasn't been able to hold full contact sessions for almost a year.

My father turns 85 in March; I will not be able to take him out for a meal, because the lockdown restrictions will not have been lifted by then. I will not be able to go on holiday until the middle of summer at the earliest.

My niece gave birth seven months ago. I saw her baby daughter for the first time just before Xmas, and that was standing outside, with two metres between us. I couldn't even hold her in my arms.

- Placed my life, and the lives of other people I care for, at risk. I work Retail, which means eight hours in close proximity to customers and colleagues every day. It means washing your hands so many times a day they are red raw by the end of a shift. And it means thinking, "is this it?" every time you start coughing, or the room feels a little hot. Oh, and we have to pay for the PPE we wear out of our own pockets.

The Chinese are my enemy. I will never trust them. I will never respect them. I will always hate them.

It sounds like you hate yourself more than anything. Get help.

 

[Cole train]

- Killed more of my countrymen than died in the Blitz during WWII.

- Caused a massive economic downturn in the UK, with tens of thousands of people losing their jobs, businesses etc.

- Greatly reduced my quality of life. Before China Flu hit, I enjoyed going to the gym, training in the martial arts and going to the movies. I can't do any of those things now. The BJJ Academy I train at, which is one of the best in Scotland, hasn't been able to hold full contact sessions for almost a year.

My father turns 85 in March; I will not be able to take him out for a meal, because the lockdown restrictions will not have been lifted by then. I will not be able to go on holiday until the middle of summer at the earliest.

My niece gave birth seven months ago. I saw her baby daughter for the first time just before Xmas, and that was standing outside, with two metres between us. I couldn't even hold her in my arms.

- Placed my life, and the lives of other people I care for, at risk. I work Retail, which means eight hours in close proximity to customers and colleagues every day. It means washing your hands so many times a day they are red raw by the end of a shift. And it means thinking, "is this it?" every time you start coughing, or the room feels a little hot. Oh, and we have to pay for the PPE we wear out of our own pockets.

The Chinese are my enemy. I will never trust them. I will never respect them. I will always hate them.

Technicall uk has long feud with china if my mfmory is correct

They probably hate you as much lol

 

[MMABrooklyn]

What case

Ask what your country has done for and to you.

 

[kahiljabroni]

Ask what your country has done for and to you.

Still no clue what you're on about

 

[MarloStanfield]

China ftw

 

[Ruprecht]

I don't think we can afford to do that though. The part of our GDP that would normally be free to spend on things like moon missions and this kind of research is spent on healthcare instead. 20% vs the OECD normal of 8%. That 12% of GDP that doesn't have to go to the military, welfare, etc. is where there's enough expendable money for things like Mars missions can be freed up. But tbh i don't know if that will ever happen, we're never going to take care of this gigantic graft that eats up 1/5th of our economy.

Sure, it's a matter of priorities.
At some stage though someone's going to have to ask exactly what political utility are you getting from continuing your current levels of military spending, and is it money spent wisely?
I thought for sure the decline after 2010 was a sign of the direction it was heading (you've had ample evidence of declining political utility), but it's gone back up over the past 2 years.
I don't think developed nations will compromise when it comes to our aging populations and the inevitable increases in healthcare spending, although there's inefficiency there for sure.

 

[superpunch]

Sure, it's a matter of priorities.
At some stage though someone's going to have to ask exactly what political utility are you getting from continuing your current levels of military spending, and is it money spent wisely?
I thought for sure the decline after 2010 was a sign of the direction it was heading (you've had ample evidence of declining political utility), but it's gone back up over the past 2 years.

Military spending is already at a near historic low. Huge cuts to it would barely make a dent compared to microscopic cuts in healthcare spending. There's a lack of money for things that even poorer countries have covered better (like infrastructure). Everyone intuitively knows that we can afford these things, and that therefor there must be a huge money pit somewhere. Everyone assumes, because we have the world's biggest military, that money pit must be the military.

Nope. The entire military is only 3.5% of the GDP. The OECD average is 2.3% (down from 5.1% OECD average in 1970). So, cutting our military would free up a whopping 1.2% of GDP. Once you look at the actual numbers, instead of just making assumptions, that's obviously not the money pit that everyone intuitively knows exists somewhere.

Healthcare is 20%. The OECD average is 8%. Fixing our healthcare system would free up 12% of GDP. 12% vs 1.2%. Yet, everyone is autistically focused on the military, even though Pax Americana is ending and the currently unipolar world is about to be more like 1970's world again.

Healthcare spending is the #1 threat to our national prosperity and our national security. Fix the healthcare system, and the money that everyone knows exists, in an invisible pit somewhere, for things like Mars missions and infrastructure (and welfare) will make itself apparent.

 

[Ruprecht]

Military spending is already at a near historic low. Huge cuts to it would barely make a dent compared to microscopic cuts in healthcare spending. There's a lack of money for things that even poorer countries have covered better (like infrastructure). Everyone intuitively knows that we can afford these things, and that therefor there must be a huge money pit somewhere. Everyone assumes, because we have the world's biggest military, that money pit must be the military.

Nope. The entire military is only 3.5% of the GDP. The OECD average is 2.3% (down from 5.1% in 1970). So, cutting our military would free up a whopping 1.2% of GDP. Once you look at the actual numbers instead of just making assumptions, that's obviously not the money pit that everyone intuitively knows exists somewhere.

Healthcare is 20%. The OECD average is 8%. Fixing our healthcare system would free up 12% of GDP. 12% vs 1.2%. Yet, everyone is autistically focused on the military, even though Pax Americana is ending and the currently unipolar world is about to be more like 1970 again.

Healthcare spending is the #1 threat to our national prosperity and our national security. Fix the healthcare system, and the money that everyone knows exists for things like Mars missions and infrastructure will make itself apparent.

1.2% of your GDP is a lot. Of course there's massive inefficiency in your healthcare system (although I've seen lower percentages, I'm assuming 20% is very recent? Including the pandemic?), but increased healthcare spending is mandated by the aging populations and increases in medical technology. I don't think that's avoidable in any developed nation.

 

[superpunch]

1.2% of your GDP is a lot. Of course there's massive inefficiency in your healthcare system (although I've seen lower percentages, I'm assuming 20% is very recent? Including the pandemic?), but increased healthcare spending is mandated by the aging populations and increases in medical technology. I don't think that's avoidable in any developed nation.

It was 18% in 2019. Check this out. We even spend the second most TAX DOLLARS, and you guys have universal healthcare systems lmfao.

Here's as of 2008, as a % of GDP. We've since added 2% more, so we're just under the 20% line now:

 

[Ruprecht]

It was 18% in 2019. Check this out. We even spend the second most TAX DOLLARS than you guys with universal healthcare systems lmfao

Here's as of 2008, as a % of GDP. We've since added 2% more, so we're just under the 20% line now:

Of course what stands out about that to me is not just the outright number, but the percentage of that American spending which is private rather than public or compulsory. Although that also means savings there wouldn't be transferrable to national science programs as a matter of budgetary spending.
Unfortunately both of our (Australia's) major parties also swallowed the neoliberal bullshit America pushed (as in they set up CIA operations in Australia to promote it, such as Quadrant magazine, alongside private think tanks like the Atlas Network, Mont Pelerin Society etc) and moved to a public/private tiered system. Our expenditure is projected to double by 2035.

 

[KnightTemplar]

It sounds like you hate yourself more than anything. Get help.

No. Pretty sure I hate China more

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Dude the people on this forum legitimately have CDS (China Derangement Syndrome) and need to chill out. China is powerful but it ain't the end of the world. Did anyone really expect America to be on top forever? As long as we try and provide a good living standard to our own people who cares what other countries do. China has yet to invade another country so until they do that I think everyone seriously needs to go outside and take a deep breath. I couldn't imagine living in constant fear like some of you do.

They constantly violate foreign territory and are working at devastating fishing industries around the globe. They've been slicing territory off of India, threatening Australia, and promising to invade Taiwan in the next three (but more likely 1.5) decades.

Now imagine how bold they're gonna be when they completely eclipse American might.