Opinion China did it right.

[joy2day]

It's Chinese propaganda of course, but also no lies were told, quite the pickle.

Yeah he lies while telling the truth though, that's pretty much what clever propaganda does.

True: (explicit) The US is troubled with its oligarchy and profound division. The US is fucking up by making enemies with all of these tariffs.

False: (implicit) China government is better and are the ones that really care about their people.

China and Russia are what the US would be 20 years down the road after a (hypothetical) Trump government takeover and dictatorial rule. There is real government approved evil that goes on regularly in those places, and the scale is way beyond anything the government in the US does.

It is true that the switch to a market economy hybrid amid 90s globalization by the government pulled 400-500 million people out of extreme poverty, but that doesn't mean they "care" about the people, or that they aren't atrocious. The US NEVER NEEDED to pull people out of that level of poverty because we weren't that fucked up to begin with; a history (and current situation) of extremely oppressive governments haven't boded well for their people. He is twisting the truth about this situation to fit his narrative.

 

[helltoupee]

This is straight up Communist propaganda, and if you can't see that, you're a mark.

Why don't you try debating some of his points instead of reverting to the hollowed out "it's the commies" and your stupid trickle down "I was optimistic about Trump" bullshit?

Oh ya. Don't forget to check under your bed tonight. You never know if there's a commie lurking behind every corner.

 

[Zazen]

Yeah he lies while telling the truth though, that's pretty much what clever propaganda does.

True: (explicit) The US is troubled with its oligarchy and profound division. The US is fucking up by making enemies with all of these tariffs.

False: (implicit) China government is better and are the ones that really care about their people.

China and Russia are what the US would be 20 years down the road after a (hypothetical) Trump government takeover and dictatorial rule. There is real government approved evil that goes on regularly in those places, and the scale is way beyond anything the government in the US does.

It is true that the switch to a market economy hybrid amid 90s globalization by the government pulled 400-500 million people out of extreme poverty, but that doesn't mean they "care" about the people, or that they aren't atrocious. The US NEVER NEEDED to pull people out of that level of poverty because we weren't that fucked up to begin with; a history (and current situation) of extremely oppressive governments haven't boded well for their people. He is twisting the truth about this situation to fit his narrative.

There's kind of a mutual understanding in China between the government and its people that if they bring economic prosperity they get to keep their authoritarian type government. I mean look at what happened during covid, as soon as their policies affected their wallets they protested and China quickly reversed course ending lockdowns immediately to a full opening of the economy. In Russia it's just a bunch of oligarchs doing whatever they can to enrich themselves and there's zero promise to improve the people's lives. Russia just sucks and I don't think it should be included together with China. I do agree China has a lot of human rights issues still but most of them look past that because they see how their grandparents lived and how they are living now.

 

[joy2day]

Not saying China is best but the lives of their citizens have improved significantly more than the lives of Americans citizens over the last 40 years. Yes they have less freedoms but also have less school shootings and violent crime. They government has way our performed the US when it comes to infrastructure and incorporating technology into urban design, planning and construction. The port infrastructure they have is impressive.

OK but that's because hundreds of millions were in abject poverty (beyond anything that ever existed in the US), so they had much further to move than people in the US. That isn't saying anything that they have come further over 40 years- and the reason was 100% going to a market economy hybrid- that's the reason it happened (that 100s of millions were pulled out of poverty).

You should look into human rights abuses in China right now, you know about them rounding up Muslims and putting them in camps, right? You and I would agree on the problems in the US, and the guy in the video is right about their troubling nature. But China is no model, they are jacked beyond belief.

China: Draconian repression of Muslims in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity

Hundreds of thousands of Muslim minority men and women subjected to mass internment and torture Millions of Muslims subjected to systematized mass surveillance Muslim ethnic groups forced to abandon their religious traditions, cultural practices and local languages More than 50 former camp...

www.amnesty.org

 

[clutchCAT420]

Go fuck yourself china. And Fu

 

[helltoupee]

'For 40 years, both China and the United States have benefited from trade and manufacturing, but only one of us has used that wealth to build.'

Do you agree with that statement?

He's talking about Republicans.

Unless, of course, you can provide any example of the Republicans introducing a bill that has improved healthcare, etc. Instead, we've got Trump tearing down Biden's actual investments in infrastructure.

And no, completely eradicating regulation, or putting industry execs in charge of the agencies that are supposed to regulating them and protecting us, does not count as reinvestment. At least not the kind anybody wants - unless you are ok with things like having the park where your kids play being built on top of a toxic waste dump, or lead in your drinking water.

 

[joy2day]

There's kind of a mutual understanding in China between the government and its people that if they bring economic prosperity they get to keep their authoritarian type government. I mean look at what happened during covid, as soon as their policies affected their wallets they protested and China quickly reversed course ending lockdowns immediately to a full opening of the economy. In Russia it's just a bunch of oligarchs doing whatever they can to enrich themselves and there's zero promise to improve the people's lives. Russia just sucks and I don't think it should be included together with China. I do agree China has a lot of human rights issues still but most of them look past that because they see how their grandparents lived and how they are living now.

Yeah I don't think the way you characterize the people of China and their feelings about the government is true. They aren't starving like they once were, but economic prosperity is a stretch. They are still masses of very poor people. The government tightly controls business because it is still very much communist, and releasing their grip would actually benefit their people a lot, but they won't. They put down dissent by killing people and are every bit as bad as Russia to their people (e.g. Tiananmen square massacre). I'm surprised so many here don't know the extent of their human rights abuses. I just posted a link in another post; hundreds of thousands of Muslims are being rounded up.

 

[helltoupee]

Fuck the totalitarian government if chiba, and fuck the wannabe one of the US.

Who cares. Everything he said about the US was spot on. The top 1% of this country absolutely rapes the middle class and 90% of us thank them for it.

Almost every reply in this thread unwittingly proves that guy's comments true. Everything is born of a 2-second-attention-span knee-jerk reaction.

I swear to god - democrats, republicans - same church, different pew. It's like nobody has the ability to apply critical thinking anymore. You just see a Chinese guy and instantly "F*ck Cheena". So edgy. So tough.

 

[helltoupee]

I’m pretty sure it’s also because of people like Speed who are giant social media stars going there and having a good time. USA has portrayed China as a third world shit hole for decades so when people watch their favorite streamer having a blast over there it changes their perspective and makes them question what the media has been saying.

Don't even bother with these morons. It's not Democrats (although you absolutely will find more empathy on this side), it's not Republicans, it's Americans. We have devolved in to spoiled, whiney, and entitled children who absolutely have to insist that we are the best and praise only goes one way or it's F U.

Here, we have liberals and conservatives alike, who most likely never watched the video, see a guy with slanty eyes, and instantly it's "F*ck China", or if they did watch it, their only comment is "commie propaganda" or "he can barely speak English".

I've actually been to China. The PEOPLE, not the GOVERNMENT, are just as friendly, if not friendlier than most of the edgelord pukes on this website. And just how I hope people won't hold ME accountable for Donald FN Trump, and the embarrassing disaster that his Presidency represents, I would hope that people outside the US aren't as egotistical, short-sighted, and eroded by meme culture as we are.

Anyone here who thinks I'm absolutely full of shit, go on Youtube. Watch videos of people (Americans) talking to starngers from China using Ome.TV.

You will start to notice. Most all of the Chinese people who, when finding out they are speaking to an American, are very friendly, polite, and sincere. Almost all of them. The other thing you will notice is that most of the Americans are smart asses, know it alls, racists (yes they do the pulling the eyes back think to troll people), and trolls. Very few act sincere. Its FN disgusting and embarrassing.

One guy was a legit 60 yo Chinese cowboy who trained and rode horses. He idolized American cowboys, dressed like one, had the hat, the whole nine yards. He was trying to connect to his "Cowboy brothers in America" and was taking video from his horse training ring. And the dude who connects with him, from the US, starts berating the guy for his English pronounciation. Then tells him to "stay in China" and logs off with a snicker. That's what America has become.

 

[MTT]

He's talking about Republicans.

Are you his spokesperson? The poster claimed they agreed with all the negative statements about America. I criticized the clear falsehood in the video—specifically, the claim that America has failed to build with its wealth. See my post for examples. While the left and right may disagree on how resources should be allocated, I'm not interested in that debate in relation to the original post.

 

[Cid]

It's not. Yemen has more popular and nearly identical climate, geographical access, historical/cultural background, and natural resources. Yet Yemen is a shithole plundered by a former despot who allied himself with those against the evil West. Oman allied themselves with western leaders and businesses.

It's just one more in a million case examples of why capitalism is the greatest road to prosperity man has ever conceived.

You can make the comparison with Yemen because they're like cases. Oman has improved dramatically and Yemen hasn't despite both being hydrocarbon rich. Oman is run better.

China is a very different economy with vastly larger challenges in bringing up living standards. Primary being their economic advantage relied on low wages and not hydrocarbons.

 

[Madmick]

You can make the comparison with Yemen because they're like cases. Oman has improved dramatically and Yemen hasn't despite both being hydrocarbon rich. Oman is run better.

China is a very different economy with vastly larger challenges in bringing up living standards. Primary being their economic advantage relied on low wages and not hydrocarbons.

Concession accepted.

 

[snugglecakes]

literal slave labor so they can have the cheap costs they brag about is doing it right?

USA is still cancelled for that and its been illegal there for coming up on 200 years

 

[Cid]

Concession accepted.

No understanding of economic advantages will make you think that.

Comparing a country that brought up it's living standards when it's economic advantage is hydrocarbons.

Then saying they're inherently run better than a country who's economic advantage is cheap labor...

You're never going to understand how stupid your comparison is.

It's endearingly naive.

 

[Madmick]

No understanding of economic advantages will make you think that.

Comparing a country that brought up it's living standards when it's economic advantage is hydrocarbons.

Then saying they're inherently run better than a country who's economic advantage is cheap labor...

You're never going to understand how stupid your comparison is.

It's endearingly naive.

Nobody's going to understand what you don't have the knowledge to articulate yourself.

 

[Cid]

Nobody's going to understand what you don't have the knowledge to articulate yourself.

Do you need me to explain how comparative economic advantages work for nations?

 

[badascan]

I only buy American flags made in America...

Just like some Americans believe the government has been there to serve them and acts in their interest I'm sure some Chinese feel the same about their government. Propaganda is strong but more and more people are recognizing the government exists to serve itself.

 

[Seano]

Why don't you try debating some of his points instead of reverting to the hollowed out "it's the commies" and your stupid trickle down "I was optimistic about Trump" bullshit?

Oh ya. Don't forget to check under your bed tonight. You never know if there's a commie lurking behind every corner.

"LEAVE XI ALONE! I"M SERIOUS!!!"

Madmick is right, you're a mark and the lack of effort China had to put in to get you to be one is pretty scary.

 

[bandicoot]

Yes, but what you're missing is that there are a ton of scholars and intellectuals who've made the exact same observations internally from observing the United States.

Your mind seems to be stuck on only one possibility... that criticism and especially this criticism is propaganda. This is certainly due to a lack of education.

I think your lack of education has you thinking that there are not serious criticisms to be made and that those criticisms haven't been made for many, many years buy our own citizens and scholars..

Man, you really are a self righteous and insulting little prick when you want to be.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Man, you really are a self righteous and insulting little prick when you want to be.

I mean you might as well just insult me instead of respond to my actual positions right??.


lol.