Opinion China did it right.

[fica]

what is the point in posting a randon propaganda tweet?

With China and Trump fighting each other the Tiktok algorhythm is going to have a hard time telling who is a great leader.

so everything is propaganda one way but truth if it is oter way lol

 

[KnightTemplar]

America blaming china is hilarious.



This guy has a point.

 

[DanSavage]

Say or do something the CCP doesn’t agree with and we’ll see if you sing the same tune.

Xu Xiaodong is a Chinese MMA fighter. He made it his mission to expose the fake Kung Fu, Tai Chi and Wing Chun 'masters' who scam people out of money. He's posted many YT videos over the years of him doing just that.

Xu was sued in 2019 for calling tai chi 'Grandmaster' Chen Xiawang a fraud, and the Chinese court ordered him to pay Chen approximately US$60,000 in damages and to apologize for seven consecutive days on social media.

Once the Chinese government caught wind of him, they accused him of attacking traditional Chinese culture and lowered his credit score to the point to where he could not rent, own property, stay in certain hotels, travel on high speed rail, or buy plane tickets.

He was booked for a fight in Thailand, but due to his low credit score it took him 36 hours to reach his destination. Once there,he had to wear clown face paint and fight under a pseudonym.

This is just one example of how 'well' the Chinese government cares for their people.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

commie leftists.....imagine that.

 

[DanSavage]

Bingo! I've noticed many Western media outlets framing China as the good guys, 'standing up' to Trump and so on. It's a bit much. Sometimes, I have to double-check which news website I'm reading.

If you've seen Matt Damon's film "The Martian" it's the Chinese who come to the rescue after NASA's rocket exploded after lift-off.

 

[PurpleDrank]

In order for propaganda to be propaganda, a person has to be influenced by an outside source to come to their conclusions.

In part however the mechanism by which the external becomes internal is often not perceptible by the average person. Especially if that narrative is congruent with their priors. It can then become self reinforcing and develop legs of its own. Thats why its often impossible to recognize when you are in its grasp, and easier to recognize when observing others.

 

[Beechwood]

I wouldn't want to live in China. They have concentration camps there, for the Uyghur in particular.

I used to work with a Chinese national whos father-in-law became involved in China's exercise religion, Falun Gong. The government cracked down on Falun Gong throwing many followers into prison. The father in law was able to hide himself from his involvement. Other members of the group though were not as lucky and reportedly being used as organ donors.


China forcefully harvests organs from detainees, tribunal concludes

China forcefully harvests organs from detainees, tribunal concludes

China's organ transplant trade is worth $1 billion a year, according to a tribunal. This story contains details some may find distressing.

www.nbcnews.com

China's organ harvesting trade unveiled by study which claims living prisoners used for transplants​

In 71 cases, prisoners are said to have still been alive while they were being operated on.

China's organ harvesting trade unveiled by study which claims living prisoners used for transplants

In 71 cases, prisoners are said to have still been alive while they were being operated on.

news.sky.com

 

[terrapin]

In part however the mechanism by which the external becomes internal is often not perceptible by the average person. Especially if that narrative is congruent with their priors. It can then become self reinforcing and develop legs of its own. Thats why its often impossible to recognize when you are in its grasp, and easier to recognize when observing others.

Yes, but what you're missing is that there are a ton of scholars and intellectuals who've made the exact same observations internally from observing the United States.

Your mind seems to be stuck on only one possibility... that criticism and especially this criticism is propaganda. This is certainly due to a lack of education.

I think your lack of education has you thinking that there are not serious criticisms to be made and that those criticisms haven't been made for many, many years buy our own citizens and scholars..

 

[USA!USA!]

I'd still choose the US 10 out of 10 times if I had a choice - and that is even with recognizing all of the problems the country has. I'm not blind and think its the best run country in the world, but the values between China and America are very different for their citizens as far as freedom is concerned.

China does some things very well of course, but it comes at a cost. America does a lot of things really shitty, but at least there is more freedom. China ranks 9 out of 100 in the freedom index.. and the government controls all information and media.

Again, I'm not arguing for the US as the greatest country on earth, but in comparison to China it's like living unshackled.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Fuck the totalitarian government if chiba, and fuck the wannabe one of the US.

 

[MTT]

In order for propaganda to be propaganda, a person has to be influenced by an outside source to come to their conclusions.

You leave me scratching my head. Propaganda seeks to influence public behavior or opinion. It does so through exaggeration, emotional appeals, falsehoods, and selective facts. Propaganda can emerge from someone without external direction. A person can self-generate propaganda through personal bias or misinterpretation of a situation. You claim to agree with everything the presenter says about America. That doesn't mean it isn't propaganda. How did you arrive at your conclusions? Was none of the information you used to form your belief system fed by sources operating with intent to manipulate? Was none influenced by emotional appeals, exaggeration, falsehoods, or selective facts?

Let's hone in on the obvious falsehood in that video: 'For 40 years, both China and the United States have benefited from trade and manufacturing, but only one of us has used that wealth to build.'

Yes, China’s poverty reduction is impressive, but it started from a lower baseline. The U.S., already developed, focused on advancing a mature economy. China faces inequality and labor issues, often masked by state control. Over the past 40 years, the U.S. has invested trillions in highways, airports, and digital networks. Annually, we spend ~$600 billion on infrastructure, upgrading ports and airports to handle $2 trillion in goods yearly. We pioneered the internet and built Silicon Valley, creating tech giants like Apple, Google, and Amazon, which support ~7 million U.S. jobs through supply chains, app ecosystems, and innovation. We lead globally in research and development, spending ~$800 billion yearly. Trade wealth has expanded our higher education system, with ~$650 billion spent annually to train ~20 million students, driving tech and finance.

Despite unequal wealth distribution, our economy has raised living standards through innovation, education, and consumer access. China’s centralized, state-led model built factories and cities. In contrast, the U.S., through a decentralized public-private system, built technologies and systems that define the modern world. Claiming U.S. oligarchs only ‘bought yachts and mansions’ with trade wealth is absurd and textbook propaganda.

 

[terrapin]

You leave me scratching my head. Propaganda seeks to influence public behavior or opinion. It does so through exaggeration, emotional appeals, falsehoods, and selective facts. Propaganda can emerge from someone without external direction. A person can self-generate propaganda through personal bias or misinterpretation of a situation. You claim to agree with everything the presenter says about America. That doesn't mean it isn't propaganda. How did you arrive at your conclusions? Was none of the information you used to form your belief system fed by sources operating with intent to manipulate? Was none influenced by emotional appeals, exaggeration, falsehoods, or selective facts?

Let's hone in on the obvious falsehood in that video: 'For 40 years, both China and the United States have benefited from trade and manufacturing, but only one of us has used that wealth to build.'

Yes, China’s poverty reduction is impressive, but it started from a lower baseline. The U.S., already developed, focused on advancing a mature economy. China faces inequality and labor issues, often masked by state control. Over the past 40 years, the U.S. has invested trillions in highways, airports, and digital networks. Annually, we spend ~$600 billion on infrastructure, upgrading ports and airports to handle $2 trillion in goods yearly. We pioneered the internet and built Silicon Valley, creating tech giants like Apple, Google, and Amazon, which support ~7 million U.S. jobs through supply chains, app ecosystems, and innovation. We lead globally in research and development, spending ~$800 billion yearly. Trade wealth has expanded our higher education system, with ~$650 billion spent annually to train ~20 million students, driving tech and finance.

Despite unequal wealth distribution, our economy has raised living standards through innovation, education, and consumer access. China’s centralized, state-led model built factories and cities. In contrast, the U.S., through a decentralized public-private system, built technologies and systems that define the modern world. Claiming U.S. oligarchs only ‘bought yachts and mansions’ with trade wealth is absurd and textbook propaganda.

I don't know why you're scratching your head. That has me confused. My first comment qualified that while that Chinese man's criticism of America is absolutely accurate and shared by many United States citizens and scholars and political commentators and politicians like Bernie sanders he lied by omission by not sharing all of the evils of Chinese government....


The temptation here by many it seems is that they don't want to parse out which is which and agree that someone can be critical of the United States actions over the last 30 years without being influenced by propaganda.

In fact to pretend no one could arrive at those conclusions unless they had been propagandaized is itself propaganda.

The poster in question was trying to pretend that anyone who has any similar crotisisms for America's actions over the last 30 years has been propagandized by China and that is obviously a stupid, dishonest and foolish statement to make.

 

[Zazen]

This is straight up Communist propaganda, and if you can't see that, you're a mark.

All of your posts lately have been downplaying the fall of the American empire. We are witnessing it in real time and you just choose to bury your head in the sand. In every thread you’re basically saying “nuh uh, America is actually doing fantastic right now.” Fact is other countries are cutting deals with China as we are led by an unstable maniac. China is progressing rapidly in the tech sector. Just today it was announced China has a thorium nuclear reactor. 75% of scientists are considering leaving the USA as the war on science continues and the right would rather teach religious nonsense. Tariffs will destroy us economically. We’re throwing people into prison labor camps. If this is the way we will continue then I for one will cheer on any country that takes science seriously and attempts to move humanity forward. Been to China many times, always impressed with the progress they’ve made each time I visit. People are waking up.

 

[MTT]

is it propaganda when an American citizen arrives at the same conclusions independently? because I agree with every single negative thing he said about America.

'For 40 years, both China and the United States have benefited from trade and manufacturing, but only one of us has used that wealth to build.'

Do you agree with that statement?

 

[terrapin]

'For 40 years, both China and the United States have benefited from trade and manufacturing, but only one of us has used that wealth to build.'

Do you agree with that statement?

I think your statement on its face is missing 99% of the nuance that can make for a reasonable discussion.

But the bottom line is that dissenting opinions do not equal propaganda unless you yourself are trying to force some kind of propaganda on me.

 

[Zazen]

I wouldn't want to live in China. They have concentration camps there, for the Uyghur in particular.

I used to work with a Chinese national whos father-in-law became involved in China's exercise religion, Falun Gong. The government cracked down on Falun Gong throwing many followers into prison. The father in law was able to hide himself from his involvement. Other members of the group though were not as lucky and reportedly being used as organ donors.


China forcefully harvests organs from detainees, tribunal concludes

China forcefully harvests organs from detainees, tribunal concludes

China's organ transplant trade is worth $1 billion a year, according to a tribunal. This story contains details some may find distressing.

www.nbcnews.com

China's organ harvesting trade unveiled by study which claims living prisoners used for transplants​

In 71 cases, prisoners are said to have still been alive while they were being operated on.

China's organ harvesting trade unveiled by study which claims living prisoners used for transplants

In 71 cases, prisoners are said to have still been alive while they were being operated on.

news.sky.com

If this is true it no longer matters because the USA has given everything Israel wants and now we’re shipping people to a slave labor camp. China will say this every single time for the rest of our lives if we ever condemn them of this. This is one among many reasons why USA needs to lead by example and we’re currently not.

 

[MTT]

I think your statement on its face is missing 99% of the nuance that can make for a reasonable discussion.

But the bottom line is that dissenting opinions do not equal propaganda unless you yourself are trying to force some kind of propaganda on me.

The statement was made by the propagandist in the video. Word for word. You said you agree with everything negative thing he said about America.

 

[Zazen]

It’s comical watching maga shit talk China while trump is moving towards becoming China lol

Trump wishes he was xi

Turns out they were just jealous the whole time. A dictator ruling over a homogenous society. That’s exactly what they want except replace Chinese with white people. There’s these two guys who call themselves China experts. There laoowhy86 and Serpentza. they barely ever criticize Trump because they’ve been audience captured. They left China around the time Xi started replacing government workers with loyalists. Trumps literally doing the same thing but instead of bringing it up they just go quiet because they need that right wing audience money. If they were principled they would draw parallels and warn everyone that what happened in China a decade ago is happening before our own eyes in the USA. Can’t stand sellouts and grifters. I get everyone has a family to feed but it’s so fucking shameless.

 

[terrapin]

The statement was made by the propagandist in the video. Word for word. You said you agree with everything negative thing he said about America.

Like I said, there's a ton of nuance that needs to be said. Do you really think there are no serious economists and scholars who believe that our country has been hollowed out and our middle class ruined by NAFTA??

Have you really never heard opinions on that? Because they are multitudinous.

To pretend that's a propaganda statement from China is just simply uneducated. You don't know enough about political theory to discuss it and that's coming from me. Someone who knows next to nothing.

 

[Osculater]

China is stepping in after the dismantling of USAID