China COVID Cover-Up Megathread

[Squarechoke]

Of course it's true. Trump praised China's transparency when it comes to Covid reporting.

 

[Loiosh]

I'm not saying I believe the numbers but I spent the last several months working closely with Chinese immigrants who had plenty of family still in China.

They said it was over fairly quickly in China, things were mostly back to normal, and the virus was barely present now. There are occasional cases but they're able to test, trace and isolate regions when necessary.

I asked him how they did it, and he said it wasn't like here. People stay home when told, always wear masks, and never congregate. He said we're like children in North America turning inconvenience into an incredibly serious problem. I asked him if he thought we were stupid and he said "yes, very stupid."

 

[The_Renaissance]

Not sure if real, after all China's always been shady with figures.

BUT, it'd be stupid to think it's impossible that their death count is lower than many other countries, given their authoritative and massive lockdowns, and citizens actually abiding by government demands.

China might be a massive asshole but they're goddamn efficient.

Yeah, it's bollocks. Absolute bollocks. You know what China wants you to know; I don't doubt they are currently stamping out minor outbreaks efficiently or that they did stamp out the original outbreak, but the original death toll is a load of bollocks. No fucking way the epicentre of a novel, never seen before virus only resulted in a few thousand deaths whereas a country like the UK is clocking up a thousand a day almost 1 year into the outbreak (with numerous treatments available etc).

I would be willing to bet around 30,000 people died in Wuhan within the first few weeks of the pandemic, maybe more.

 

[tonni]

The CCP is known to provide unadulterated statistics in regards to matters within their nation. I’m sure this is legit.

Do you have any proof of China lying?

 

[bobgeese]

Why should I feel bad

For even considering a number put out by China is true.

It doesn't even matter what the subject is.




Rule #1 - Never Trust China

 

[The ScorpioN]

Do you have any proof of China lying?

lmao

 

[MMA Time Soldier]

Do you have any proof of China lying?

WHO?

 

[tonni]

WHO?

China

 

[ShadowRun]

We fighting with each other while China gets away with ruining the world ...

 

[Deleted member 539235]

Do you have any proof of China lying?

dial it back a scooch buddeh

 

[tonni]

dial it back a scooch buddeh

British people say Chiner.

 

[Deleted member 539235]

British people say Chiner.

i'm sure they do...we scousers say chy-NEH

 

[ShinkanPo]

British people say Chiner.

Koreans say channer

 

[tonni]

i'm sure they do...we scousers say chy-NEH

I just say my liege

 

[ShinkanPo]

I'm not saying I believe the numbers but I spent the last several months working closely with Chinese immigrants who had plenty of family still in China.

They said it was over fairly quickly in China, things were mostly back to normal, and the virus was barely present now. There are occasional cases but they're able to test, trace and isolate regions when necessary.

I asked him how they did it, and he said it wasn't like here. People stay home when told, always wear masks, and never congregate. He said we're like children in North America turning inconvenience into an incredibly serious problem. I asked him if he thought we were stupid and he said "yes, very stupid."

And that is why China will beat you.

On 2nd thought I would also assume that since the Virus begun China maybe it is posible that they develop herd mentality much quicker?

I dont have any sources only a Wikimedia article about the Origins of the 1918 Flu. Some experts( who?) Says that since the impact of the spanish flu among the Chinese population is much less severe than the rest of the world chances are that Flu could have started as a weaker strain before gradually mutating to be deadlier variant but people who are already exposed to the weaker strain will have somw imunity ob the later strain to come.

It could also explain why the Cities that got heavily affected by the 1st wave from late December 1917 upto March 1918 were not as devastated by the 2nd wave of October 1918 where cities and regions that were barely affected by the 1st wave fared worst during the 2nd wave.

 

[Zero-Zen]

I'm not saying I believe the numbers but I spent the last several months working closely with Chinese immigrants who had plenty of family still in China.

They said it was over fairly quickly in China, things were mostly back to normal, and the virus was barely present now. There are occasional cases but they're able to test, trace and isolate regions when necessary.

I asked him how they did it, and he said it wasn't like here. People stay home when told, always wear masks, and never congregate. He said we're like children in North America turning inconvenience into an incredibly serious problem. I asked him if he thought we were stupid and he said "yes, very stupid."

It's incredible that a Canadian would take the word of a communist at face value and be called a child like a peasant.

You have no clue what really went on inside of China, especially during the early stages or the amount of people that died. There were minor uprising's where people were not 'socially distancing'. People were locked inside their homes and turned away at hospitals to make it on their own. Especially the aging population. Do you think they count it as a covid death like in north america if you die a month later but only had traces of it in your system?

People that tried to report openly and transparently about what happened there went missing and now are in jail but you romanticize how China handled it and we are babies.

Now i know why Trudeau keeps getting elected. smh

 

[Madmick]

This was an article that had me in stitches just at the headline when I first saw it.
Wuhan’s COVID-19 cases may have been 10 times higher, China’s CDC says

 

[Arkain2K]

WHO team blocked from entering China to study origins of coronavirus
By Helen Regan, CNN | January 6, 2021

The World Health Organization said that China has blocked the arrival of a team investigating the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, in a rare rebuke from the UN agency.

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said two scientists on the United Nations team had already left their home countries for Wuhan when they were told that Chinese officials had not approved the necessary permissions to enter the country.

The arrangements had been jointly agreed with China in advance.

"I am very disappointed with this news," Tedros told a news conference in Geneva on Tuesday. "I have been in contact with senior Chinese officials and I have once again made clear that the mission is a priority for WHO and the international team."

Tedros said WHO was "eager to get the mission underway as soon as possible" and that he had been given assurances that Beijing was speeding up the internal procedure for "the earliest possible deployment."

Dr. Michael Ryan, executive director of WHO's health emergencies program said there was an issue with visas and one team member had already returned home. The other was waiting in transit in a third country.

WHO officials have long been negotiating with Beijing to allow a team of global scientists access to key sites to investigate the origin of the virus -- first detected in Wuhan in December 2019 -- and its likely jump from an unidentified host species to humans.

In May, WHO agreed to hold an inquiry into the global response to the pandemic after more than 100 countries signed a resolution calling for an independent probe.

Ryan said the team hoped it was "just a logistical and bureaucratic issue" that can be resolved in "good faith in the coming hours and recommence the deployment of the team as soon as possible."
In a press briefing Wednesday, spokesperson for China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Hua Chunying, said China had "always held an open, transparent and responsible attitude" on tracing the origin of the virus.

Hua said that China had previously welcomed WHO experts into the country and said that the UN investigation team and Chinese experts have "maintained frequent interactions" including four video meetings between October and December.

"In order to ensure that the international expert group that comes to China can work smoothly, it is needed to fulfill the necessary procedures and make relevant specific arrangements. The two sides are still negotiating about this," said Hua.

The United States and Australia have led the charge in criticizing China's handling of the initial stages of the pandemic, accusing Beijing of downplaying its severity and preventing an effective response until too late.

US President Donald Trump has repeatedly blamed China for the global pandemic and announced that the US would terminate its relationship with WHO, saying that China had not properly reported information it had about the coronavirus and had pressured WHO to "mislead the world."

The US has demanded transparency in WHO operations in China. In November, Garrett Grigsby with the US Department of Health and Human Services told WHO's assembly that the terms of the investigation to China were "not negotiated in a transparent way" and "the investigation itself appears to be inconsistent" with its mandate.

A trove of confidential documents obtained by CNN last year from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention in Hubei province -- where the virus was first detected in 2019 -- showed how Chinese officials gave the world more optimistic data than they had access to internally, by initially underreporting case numbers during the early stages of the outbreak.

As countries around the world struggle with new infection surges and outbreaks, China appears to be rebounding. Last month, the country posted positive economic growth for the second quarter in a row.
Foreign Minister Wang Yi praised China's anti-pandemic efforts at home and abroad, saying that the country "launched an emergency global humanitarian campaign" and "helped build consensus on a global response to Covid-19."

As the WHO team prepared to embark, Chinese officials and state media have questioned the virus' origins, saying "more and more research suggests that the pandemic was likely to have been caused by separate outbreaks in multiple places in the world," according to Wang.

On Monday, reports circulated on Chinese social media that the virus had been detected on auto part packaging in multiple cities, including from foreign brands.
For months, China has been testing and disinfecting frozen products imported from overseas, over fears the virus could reenter the country that way, even as experts remain skeptical about this as a potential source of infection.

WHO says it is "highly unlikely that people can contract Covid-19 from food or food packaging," and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says the risk is "thought to be very low." Both insist there is no evidence of such transmission, and countries have even threatened to bring a case against China at the World Trade Organization over import restrictions.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/china/china-blocks-who-team-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

China pushes conspiracy theories on COVID origin, vaccines
By HUIZHONG WU

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying​

Chinese state media have stoked concerns about Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, despite rigorous trials indicating it is safe. A government spokesperson has raised the unsubstantiated theory that the coronavirus could have emerged from a U.S. military lab, giving it more credence in China.

As the ruling Communist Party faces growing questioning about China’s vaccines and renewed criticism of its early COVID-19 response, it is hitting back by encouraging conspiracy theories that some experts say could cause harm.

State media and officials are sowing doubts about Western vaccines and the origin of the coronavirus in an apparent bid to deflect the attacks. Both issues are in the spotlight because of the rollout of vaccines globally and the recent arrival of a World Health Organization team in Wuhan, China, to investigate the origins of the virus.

Some of these conspiracy theories find a receptive audience at home. The social media hashtag “American’s Ft. Detrick,” started by the Communist Youth League, was viewed at least 1.4 billion times last week after a Foreign Ministry spokesperson called for a WHO investigation of the biological weapons lab in Maryland.

“It’s purpose is to shift the blame from mishandling by (the) Chinese government in the pandemic’s early days to conspiracy by the U.S.,” said Fang Shimin, a now-U.S.-based writer known for exposing faked degrees and other fraud in Chinese science. “The tactic is quite successful because of widespread anti-American sentiment in China.”

Yuan Zeng, an expert on Chinese media at the University of Leeds in Great Britain, said the government’s stories spread so widely that even well-educated Chinese friends have asked her whether they might be true.

Inflaming doubts and spreading conspiracy theories might add to public health risks as governments try to dispel unease about vaccines, she said, saying, “That is super, super dangerous.”

In the latest volley, state media called for an investigation into the deaths of 23 elderly people in Norway after they received the Pfizer vaccine. An anchor at CGTN, the English-language station of state broadcaster CCTV, and the Global Times newspaper accused Western media of ignoring the news.

Health experts say deaths unrelated to the vaccine are possible during mass vaccination campaigns, and a WHO panel has concluded that the vaccine did not play a “contributory role” in the Norway deaths.

The state media coverage followed a report by researchers in Brazil who found the effectiveness of a Chinese vaccine lower than previously announced. Researchers initially said Sinovac’s vaccine is 78% effective, but the scientists revised that to 50.4% after including mildly symptomatic cases.

After the Brazil news, researchers at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, a government-supported think tank, reported seeing an increase in Chinese media disinformation about vaccines.

Dozens of online articles on popular health and science blogs and elsewhere have explored questions about the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine at length, drawing on an op-ed published this month in the British Medical Journal that raised questions about its clinical trial data.

“It’s very embarrassing” for the government, Fang said in an email. As a result, China is trying to raise doubts about the Pfizer vaccine to save face and promote its vaccines, he said.

Senior Chinese government officials have not been shy in voicing concerns about the mRNA vaccines developed by Western drug companies. They use a newer technology than the more traditional approach of the Chinese vaccines currently in use.

In December, the director of the Chinese Centers for Disease Control, Gao Fu, said he can’t rule out negative side effects from the mRNA vaccines. Noting this is the first time they are being given to healthy people, he said, “there are safety concerns.”

The Pfizer mRNA vaccine and another one developed by Moderna have passed both animal and human trials in which they were tested on more than 70,000 people.

The arrival of the WHO mission has brought back persistent criticism that China allowed the virus to spread globally by reacting too slowly in the beginning, even reprimanding doctors who tried to warn the public. The visiting researchers will begin field work this week after being released from a 14-day quarantine.

The Communist Party sees the WHO investigation as a political risk because it focuses attention on China’s response, said Jacob Wallis, a senior analyst at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.

The party wants to “distract domestic and international audiences by pre-emptively distorting the narrative on where responsibility lies for the emergence of COVID-19,” Wallis said.

Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying got the ball rolling last week by reviving earlier Chinese calls for a WHO investigation of the U.S. military lab.

State media have referenced past scandals at the lab, but China has given no reliable evidence to support the coronavirus theory.

“If America respects the truth, then please open up Ft. Detrick and make public more information about the 200 or more bio-labs outside of the U.S., and please allow the WHO expert group to go to the U.S. to investigate the origins,” Hua said.

Her comments, publicized by state media, became one of the most popular topics on China’s Twitter-like Sina Weibo.

https://apnews.com/article/pandemic...ndemic-wuhan-65c6958bb2d8d22d811bb3d0c90f7418

 

[Arkain2K]