Social Charlie Kirk Shot and Killed

[EndlessCritic]

Whatever you say, dude. Charlie Kirk was a bigot and a Christian nationalist.

You are entitled to believe whatever you want. The man was repugnant and did tremendous harm to American society.

There are lots of racist people in TPUSA who did lots of racist stuff. Probably just a coincidence.

I would agree with calling him a bigoted Christian who wanted America to become a Christian nation, believed that America was under attack, and that America could only be saved by becoming a Christian nation.

I don't know how you measure how much harm he actually did.

We must appreciate that people like Charlie Kirk do not come out of nowhere. They are the products of reactionary forces and complex histories. The alternative to Charlie Kirk is not a magical utopia. The alternative to Charlie Kirk is the Nick Fuentes' of the world, and people who would advocate violence against their opponents.

 

[ermac88]

Racist people have always labelled non-whites who don't follow the "correct" script as tokens.

What you typed is incoherent makes absolutely no sense.

i didn't say anything about "whites."

Outliars that side with groups that actively opress them or expressively state opposition to their best interests are by definition, tokens.

Ie. A person of color in the US against the civil rights act of 1964 and used on an opposition platform, is a token.

 

[Pierce 34]

this is something you cant get over, just learn how to hide it better overtime

 

[BAM]

What you typed is incoherent makes absolutely no sense.

i didn't say anything about "whites."

Outliars that side with groups that actively opress them or expressively state opposition to their best interests are by definition, tokens.

Ie. A person of color in the US against the civil rights act of 1964 and used on an opposition platform, is a token.

Tokenism is a criticism of the org, political movement or corporation of cynically expoiting a minority of some kind (race, sex, sexual orientation) to create a false impression of diversity and inclusion without comitting to any real substantive position. The person being used can be unaware of it. The right will use terms like "woke" and "token" to criticise things like Star Wars for doing this.

When people start using terms like grifter, sellout or "pick me" - that's going after the integrity of the individual.

For influencers, I tend to use both to criticise both dynamics. It's a common occurence given the money and status involved.

But if it's just a regular person that disagrees with the majority opinion, that's just a minority view. No big deal, being able to think for ourselves and reject group think is a positive, even if I disagree with their reasoning.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

After his death, I listened to a lot of Charlie Kirk. I heard him say nothing suggesting he thought there were racial differences, or that some races were inferior to others. He worried that affirmative action programs would cause racism, which he found abhorrent.

Charlie Kirk absolutely believed that some (cultural) groups are inferior to others. Which is obviously true -- just take a look at the Christian fundamentalists who attend TPUSA rallies. We can surely agree that this is an example of an inferior culture.

Charlie Kirk's ideas were certainly dangerous in that he promoted this Christian fundamentalist viewpoint as not merely correct or good, but a superior viewpoint to others which was under attack. But I disagree with any notion that he was being animated by anything racist.

Think about the emergence of the term "racist dog whistle" -- which was regularly used to describe Charlie Kirk. A dog whistle (literally) describes a whistle that is emitted at such a high frequency that it can only be heard by dogs -- and not humans.

The metaphorical racist dog whistle describes rhetoric that does not sound racist, but in fact is truly racist to those who "understand" and can "decode" the (secret racist) message.

Curiously, it turns out that only left-wing intellectuals seem to be able to decode these messages and find the racism in them.

And the beauty of those accusing others of "dog whistling" is that it can never be proven one way or another, it's very convenient.

 

[Loiosh]

Yeah, none of that actually happened. Normal Americans, and people across the world, were just horrified to watch your side celebrate en masse before Kirk was even pronounced dead. Not only does the Hortman case not compare, you didn't follow the case at the time nor have you followed up on any developments since then. It was just a name you were told to yell out because you guys hated that so many people were upset at Kirk being murdered just for his opinions.

Can you point to specific people on this forum celebrating Kirk's assassination? I'm not surprised there are people who did considering the many horrible things Kirk said (the trans thing is a middle finger to God, prominent Black women didn't have 'brain processing power' to be taken seriously) but seems like the vast majority of us have unequivocally condemned the assassination.

As for Hortman, we didn't fetishize her death or try and squeeze it for every drop of political capital. The assassination of her and her husband was a tragedy and we treated it as such. It would be nice if you could show a fraction of the empathy for her you demand we show for Charlie.

Why do you think we hate people for being upset at his passing? I disagreed with everything he said but he was a human being and a lot of people loved him. I condemn the assassination and empathize with those who mourn his loss.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Can you point to specific people on this forum celebrating Kirk's assassination? I'm not surprised there are people who did considering the many horrible things Kirk said (the trans thing is a middle finger to God, prominent Black women didn't have 'brain processing power' to be taken seriously) but seems like the vast majority of us have unequivocally condemned the assassination.

As for Hortman, we didn't fetishize her death or try and squeeze it for every drop of political capital. The assassination of her and her husband was a tragedy and we treated it as such. It would be nice if you could show a fraction of the empathy for her you demand we show for Charlie.

Why do you think we hate people for being upset at his passing? I disagreed with everything he said but he was a human being and a lot of people loved him. I condemn the assassination and empathize with those who mourn his loss.

You're being a little disingenuous here. Their posts were deleted and they were either dubbed or banned for it so I'm not sure how he's supposed to point to specific posts

 

[Loiosh]

You're being a little disingenuous here. Their posts were deleted and they were either dubbed or banned for it so I'm not sure how he's supposed to point to specific posts

So some people crossed the line and were punished?

I don't think it makes sense to paint all of us with the same brush, or ignore how many people at every level have mocked liberal victims and targets. There are people here complaining about the picture chosen to show the world Renee Good, suggesting that less flattering pictures be used instead.

 

[curryjunkie]

You literally have an Andrew Tate avatar. Your opinion is utterly worthless.

True..

 

[Confucamus]

Can you point to specific people on this forum celebrating Kirk's assassination? I'm not surprised there are people who did considering the many horrible things Kirk said (the trans thing is a middle finger to God, prominent Black women didn't have 'brain processing power' to be taken seriously) but seems like the vast majority of us have unequivocally condemned the assassination.

For the ten millionth time, the posts were deleted and posters were banned/thread banned/carded. Why you're responding to a post of mine that's almost a month old and 5 pages back is strange. Like you just felt like starting an argument.

As for Hortman, we didn't fetishize her death or try and squeeze it for every drop of political capital. The assassination of her and her husband was a tragedy and we treated it as such. It would be nice if you could show a fraction of the empathy for her you demand we show for Charlie.

I've never demanded anybody to show empathy you obnoxious little prick. I followed the Hortman case very closely in the live thread on here. You know, the thread that you don't have a single post in, because you didn't know or care about those murders until Kirk was murdered and you needed a "okay, but whatabout this?!?" distraction?

I was horrified somebody could do what Boelter did. See for yourself.

Well that is terrifying. Looks like the legislator's spouses were shot as well. I'm reading that one has died, possibly two. Lot of misinformation floating out there. They need to find this guy ASAP.

Not trying to give CNN any clicks, but this is the latest. That is very sad.

You're a sick fuck if all you care about is pinning this on one side of the political aisle. People were murdered and families destroyed. God, shut the fuck up already. I don't care what side is doing it. Outside of Boelter being a Tim Walz appointee, we don't have enough solid information. At this point, all that matters is he is caught peacefully and nobody else has to die. Besides a couple of you whiny broads, this thread has been pretty bipartisan in condemning what happened. We don't know everything about this yet. Do you understand that?

Good stuff right here.

Can we all agree that the responsibility lies solely with the asshole who committed these murders? Possibly his wife too, but that hasn't been confirmed.

Why do you think we hate people for being upset at his passing? I disagreed with everything he said but he was a human being and a lot of people loved him. I condemn the assassination and empathize with those who mourn his loss.

If you really feel that way, and that's a big IF, then my comments aren't for you and I don't know why you're bothering to ask me about this.

 

[WhiteMousse]

So some people crossed the line and were punished?

I don't think it makes sense to paint all of us with the same brush, or ignore how many people at every level have mocked liberal victims and targets. There are people here complaining about the picture chosen to show the world Renee Good, suggesting that less flattering pictures be used instead.

You're arguing against something I didn't say.

Regarding Renee Good I'm on record condemning people for mocking her, because if you're against Kirk being mocked I think the same courtesy should be extended to anyone. I have no idea what you're talking about regarding her looks but I think if people are trying to present a slant on that they're being just as dishonest as you

 

[Loiosh]

If you really feel that way, and that's a big IF, then my comments aren't for you and I don't know why you're bothering to ask me about this.

I absolutely feel that way; if you knew anything at all about human beings you'd have known me long enough to know that's true. I went berserk on liberals who mocked Ashli Babbitt's death, right here on Sherdog. I'm not like you guys, I don't only mourn deaths in "my tribe".

Despite the conservative civil war triggered by Charlie Kirk's death and his wife's ascension, I have stayed far away from that issue and don't think I've commented at all. All I can think of is a widow and orphans, and unless Erika crosses an overtly political line, I consider her out of bounds. Even then I'd be inclined to tread lightly.

 

[Loiosh]

You're arguing against something I didn't say.

Regarding Renee Good I'm on record condemning people for mocking her, because if you're against Kirk being mocked I think the same courtesy should be extended to anyone. I have no idea what you're talking about regarding her looks but I think if people are trying to present a slant on that they're being just as dishonest as you

I think Ilhan Omar got it right, you can condemn the assassination without sainting the victim.

 

[Bob Gray]

I don't think it makes sense to paint all of us with the same brush,

And, yet, just a brief use of the search function with you using the word conservative has some choice results:

What we say is too complicated for conservatives around here who are too easily distracted by shiny toys.

They spent a FORTUNE putting wall up in the most incredibly stupid places, but you don't care, shiny wall good.

Women are just brood mares to conservatives.

Better that the populace be stupid and vote conservative.

Conservatives are so stupid that their leaders said out loud that the entire CRT panic was just a tool to brand any progressive ideas as toxic and stamp them out.

Holy crap conservatives are stupid.

Kirk shooter was probably conservative, anyways. Raised by conservatives and taught to solve problems with a rifle, like a conservative.

This was before you argued that Im rabidly partisan and yet you arent, right?

 

[Mr Holmes]

And, yet, just a brief use of the search function with you using the word conservative has some choice results:












This was before you argued that Im rabidly partisan and yet you arent, right?

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

And, yet, just a brief use of the search function with you using the word conservative has some choice results:












This was before you argued that Im rabidly partisan and yet you arent, right?

That different because he is one of the good guys or some shit

 

[Phlog]

Pretty wild the Epstein connections with Erica Kirk eh.

 

[Phlog]

And her being suspected of child trafficking and grooming a minor.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

And her being suspected of child trafficking and grooming a minor.

Do you have anything to back this up? It's a big claim to post without anything to go with it


Also funny how @Loiosh just completely noped out after it was pointed out he is what everyone knows he is

 

[Fox by the Sea]

And, yet, just a brief use of the search function with you using the word conservative has some choice results:












This was before you argued that Im rabidly partisan and yet you arent, right?

well somebody's never coming to the thread again.