Social Charlie Kirk Shot and Killed

[UberHere]

I’ll make a deal. You link a study that’s on topic in your next rebuttal to me and I’ll link you the studies.

I don’t do shit for that turd anymore.

Fair enough. I’m the one that suggested metal detectors in the first place and I see it had been studied, but I can’t access the article.

ERIC - ED595716 - Are Metal Detectors Effective at Making Schools Safer?, WestEd, 2019

With the tragedies of school violence igniting calls for increased safety and security, one popular proposal is to use metal detectors in schools. To address questions about what impact such devices may have on day-to-day safety and on what happens during school violence events, this research...

eric.ed.gov

I might trust this article more that concludes “there isn’t sufficient data to determine they make schools safer” as this one is closer to a meta analysis.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1746-1561.2010.00566.x

I can’t even tell what the first one is. I’m not sure if that means more research meeds to be done or if the data just doesn’t show a positive effect. I’m working and don’t really have the desire to analyze the data from all the studies analyzed.

They do cite adverse effects on students. If they are shown to make schools safer, I’d think that’s a small price to pay. Not really sure how you’d study that though. I’d have to get into the methods. I know there haven’t been any shootings or stabbing at Albany High over here. Those detectors have been there well over ten years.

 

[Ares Black]

I can’t even tell what the first one is. I’m not sure if that means more research meeds to be done or if the data just doesn’t show a positive effect. I don’t really have the ability to analyze the data from all the studies analyzed.

Fixed that for you

 

[UberHere]

Fixed that for you

I mean I do, but I’m well out of college. Why would I waste a weekend analyzing data if I’m not getting paid for it?

 

[Ares Black]

I mean I do, but I’m well out of college. Why would I waste a weekend analyzing data if I’m not getting paid for it?

Sure you do

 

[UberHere]

Sure you do

Be that as it may, this is what adults do when they want to test a hypothesis. Based on the data, there is adverse psychological effects to kids. Maybe they wouldn’t stop a person gung ho on committing mass murder at school, but they certainly keep juvenile criminals from bringing guns and knives into the building. So in a sense, they do make some schools safer if that’s a local problem.

 

[Ares Black]

Be that as it may, this is what adults do when they want to test a hypothesis. Based on the data, there is adverse psychological effects to kids. Maybe they wouldn’t stop a person gung ho on committing mass murder at school, but they certainly keep juvenile criminals from bringing guns and knives into the building. So in a sense, they do make some schools safer if that’s a local problem.

Neat. Thanks for contributing to the discussion!

 

[UberHere]

Neat. Thanks for contributing to the discussion!

Sure. I didn’t know this had been studied until the other poster I was replying to mentioned it. My background is in medical science and biology. We can’t all be experts in everything like you.

 

[Ares Black]

Sure. I didn’t know this had been studied until the other poster I was replying to mentioned it. My background is in medical science and biology. We can’t all be experts in everything like you.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Why not? A shooter shows up armed to the teeth after schools in session. The metal detector pings and its alarm goes off. The shooter proceeds to blast kids.

I’m not seeing how it makes a lick of difference

How bout we skip the metal detectors and just have armed parental volunteers who meet the criteria hang out at schools as well as armed school staff should they want to be and also meet the criteria ?

Don't bother trying to blast your way in you will be met with force the minute you start and won't have the chance to kill any kids

 

[syct23]

How bout we skip the metal detectors and just have armed parental volunteers who meet the criteria hang out at schools as well as armed school staff should they want to be and also meet the criteria ?

Don't bother trying to blast your way in you will be met with force the minute you start and won't have the chance to kill any kids

We tried that in the 90s after Columbine,

We learned we couldn’t stop it without placing a police sub division within the schools..

And then the funding gradually disappeared because Middle East Wars ended, and the funding when to the Vets entering the local police precincts.

No need for metal detectors when you had military grade humvees driving around the parking lots..

 

[Islam Imamate]

I don't care about the subsequent posts. My question existed before that.

Then you're missing the forest for the trees. The core point is that Kirk was insensitive about matters of political violence and death such that the pearl clutching over jokes at his expense is unwarranted.

 

[nostradumbass]

Then you're missing the forest for the trees. The core point is that Kirk was insensitive about matters of political violence and death such that the pearl clutching over jokes at his expense is unwarranted.

Do you consider yourself "insensitive about matters of political violence and death" out of curiosity? Your absolute insanity itt has shown you and every other lefty to be way the fuck more reprehensible than anything Charlie Kirk ever said.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

The school district doesn't have maintenance personnel and a budget for repairs?

Not for the roof for her school. Welcome to Kentucky.

 

[Ares Black]

Do you consider yourself "insensitive about matters of political violence and death" out of curiosity? Your absolute insanity itt has shown you and every other lefty to be way the fuck more reprehensible than anything Charlie Kirk ever said.

Not in the real world.

This is a karate forum. Charlie Kirk had an audience of millions, many of them young and impressionable.

He did tremendous harm to the state of political discourse. A hugely dishonest and divisive person.

 

[nostradumbass]

Not in the real world.

This is a karate forum. Charlie Kirk had an audience of millions, many of them young and impressionable.

He did tremendous harm to the state of political discourse. A hugely dishonest and divisive person.

Lolwut? Many of them young and impressionable? It was college campuses, which has been the left's core brainwashing audience for decades, and Charlie Kirk was their contemporary for almost his whole career.

The "tremendous harm" he did was to extremist professors trying to turn universities into left wing seminaries. Charlie's audience was a completely voluntary one and welcomed disagreement. Can you say the same for the professors brainwashing a captive audience of the same age group under threat of academic punishment for disagreement?

 

[Ares Black]

Lolwut? Many of them young and impressionable? It was college campuses, which has been the left's core brainwashing audience for decades, and Charlie Kirk was their contemporary for almost his whole career.

He was a college dropout propagandist.

The "tremendous harm" he did was to extremist professors trying to turn universities into left wing seminaries.

Reality has a pronounced left-wing bias

Charlie's audience was a completely voluntary one and welcomed disagreement.

Indoctrinated Christianity is not entirely voluntary. His audience was brainwashed since birth to believe in a judgemental sky daddy.

Can you say the same for the professors brainwashing a captive audience under threat of academic punishment for disagreement?

Username checks out

 

[nostradumbass]

He was a college dropout propagandist.

Reality has a pronounced left-wing bias

Indoctrinated Christianity is not entirely voluntary. His audience was brainwashed since birth to believe in a judgemental sky daddy.

Username checks out

Yeah, that's what I thought. You've got exactly jack shit other than ad homs and religious hatred.

 

[Ares Black]

Yeah, that's what I thought. You've got exactly jack shit other than ad homs and religious hatred.

Facts don't care about your feelings.


He was a White Christian Nationalist propagandist.

You are welcome to believe whatever religious nonsense you want. Just keep that shit out of politics and school.

 

[nostradumbass]

Facts don't care about your feelings.


He was a White Christian Nationalist propagandist.

You are welcome to believe whatever religious nonsense you want. Just keep that shit out of politics and school.

And your feelings don't care about facts.

Again, thanks for proving my point. You're so confident in you "reality" that Lizzo's a hottie and men can get pregnant that you have no response but ad homs and, and can't debate your nutbar arguments and are now demanding only far left mental illness be taught to "impressionable kids" and anyone who disagrees should "keep that shit out".

 

[Ares Black]

And your feelings don't care about facts.

They absolutely do. I love facts!

Again, thanks for proving my point.

Didn't happen in the real world. Only in your head.

You're so confident in you "reality" that Lizzo's a hottie

Lol no

and men can get pregnant

Some trans men can get pregnant, and have. That's just a fact, sorry if it hurts your feelings.

that you have no response but ad homs

You really need to learn the difference between an ad hominem attack and a sick burn

and, and can't debate your nutbar arguments

Try me

and are now demanding only far left mental illness

No, I am simply asking that truth and scientific reality is taught in schools, not religious dogma

be taught to "impressionable kids" and anyone who disagrees should "keep that shit out".

Any scientific fact is welcome in school. If you can prove anything in the Bible, by all means teach it to kids. If the data supports your claim, by all means use it to form public policy.

But keep your religious indoctrination out of schools and out of legislation.