Social Charlie Kirk Shot and Killed

[Gutter Chris]

If cops are going to sit around with their thumbs up their ass for 45 minutes then what are some volunteers going to do? Who is liable if the volunteer fucks up and shoots someone who doesn’t have a gun? Or sprays and prays and hits innocent people as they’re shooting at the bad guy? Or if a teacher/vollunteer has a weapon stolen bc they weren’t storing it correctly?

Not all people are created equal and parents have skin in the game here. Also ulvade seems to be the odd man out and it looks to me like people and cops engage shooters when need arises in a lot of cases. You can set a standard of training required for this ya know

A person is always responsible for what they do with their gun. Worst case you will be judged in if what you did was reasonable. I'm assuming whatever the fuck happened to get a gun pointed at a person is super serious and if it's not weapons shouldn't be drawn. Again you can set standards of training in what is and isn't a threat and train to that standard.

The criminal is responsible for causing the crossfire. It's also super odd to me that it seems more people worry bout crossfire than a lunatic having free time to operate unchallenged. Ulvade Virginia tech and columbine could have used a little crossfire , ya know ?

I don't understand how a weapon that is on your person gets stolen unless deliberately attacked in an attempt to get said weapon. In which case said person should be treated as an extreme threat/shooter. You don't take it off if you carry at school seems a simple enough rule to follow. If it's not in a holster or on a sling attached to you it's not properly stored.

 

[Confucamus]

Then you're missing the forest for the trees. The core point is that Kirk was insensitive about matters of political violence and death such that the pearl clutching over jokes at his expense is unwarranted.

I don't care what you think I'm missing or what you want the "core point" to be. @Darkballs said Kirk believed there was nothing to do about kids being murdered in school shootings. I asked him for any source possible, and didn't get it. I even posted a video of Kirk talking about school shootings that directly contradicted what @Darkballs said but he avoided that like the plague.

Reality has a pronounced left-wing bias

Just LOL at this entitled ass Reddit talking point being repeated here.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Fair enough. I’m the one that suggested metal detectors in the first place and I see it had been studied, but I can’t access the article.

ERIC - ED595716 - Are Metal Detectors Effective at Making Schools Safer?, WestEd, 2019

With the tragedies of school violence igniting calls for increased safety and security, one popular proposal is to use metal detectors in schools. To address questions about what impact such devices may have on day-to-day safety and on what happens during school violence events, this research...

eric.ed.gov

I might trust this article more that concludes “there isn’t sufficient data to determine they make schools safer” as this one is closer to a meta analysis.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1746-1561.2010.00566.x

I can’t even tell what the first one is. I’m not sure if that means more research meeds to be done or if the data just doesn’t show a positive effect. I’m working and don’t really have the desire to analyze the data from all the studies analyzed.

They do cite adverse effects on students. If they are shown to make schools safer, I’d think that’s a small price to pay. Not really sure how you’d study that though. I’d have to get into the methods. I know there haven’t been any shootings or stabbing at Albany High over here. Those detectors have been there well over ten years.

Well again I’m not arguing that they don’t work toward stopping regular acts of violence. That I believe without seeing evidence and would need to be convinced of the contrary. Bo would add though that the school needs to have a chronic problem for there to need to be a discussion about metal detectors. Most schools simply don’t benefit from them.

I’ll post some stuff later when I’m at home. Part of my petulance is that it’s a pain in the ass to do it from my phone. The other part is @HereticBD is a turd and I refuse to do anything when comes at me with a demand. I’ve wasted my time on providing sources to him in the past. He’s not interested in it. It’s just a tactic he uses to frustrate people and waste their time.

 

[Ares Black]

Just LOL at this entitled ass Reddit talking point being repeated here.

AKA the truth

 

[Ares Black]

Here's a couple of facts that don't care about your feelings:


When people get an education they tend to become more left-wing

When people suffer brain damage they tend to become more right-wing

 

[Evbo]

Here's a couple of facts that don't care about your feelings:


When people get an education they tend to become more left-wing

When people suffer brain damage they tend to become more right-wing

Left-leaning institutions produce left-leaning personnel? Well now I've heard everything.

 

[Ares Black]

Left-leaning institutions produce left-leaning personnel? Well now I've heard everything.

There's a reason institutions of higher learning lean left.


It's because reality has a distinct left-wing bias.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Here's a couple of facts that don't care about your feelings:


When people get an education they tend to become more left-wing

When people suffer brain damage they tend to become more right-wing

Here's another one:

A 2020 Pew Research Center study found that 62% of White liberals had been diagnosed with a mental health condition by a medical professional, compared to only 26% of conservatives and 20% of moderates

 

[Darkballs]

I don't care what you think I'm missing or what you want the "core point" to be. @Darkballs said Kirk believed there was nothing to do about kids being murdered in school shootings. I asked him for any source possible, and didn't get it. I even posted a video of Kirk talking about school shootings that directly contradicted what @Darkballs said but he avoided that like the plague.

You got it ten times and dismissed it ten times. It's the quote where he bemoans attempting to pass any legislation whatsoever to prevent school shootings. You claimed that this couldn't mean he doesn't care about kids, because he didn't use the exact quote you wanted. People tried to explain to you this isn't how the english language is used, and that people are more than able to deduce his actual meaning without needing whatever particular quotes some kid demands.

And we pointed out a similar take on your position with Ghilaine Maxwell. People conclude you support Ghilaine, because you went out of your way to lie and claim she was secretly working with trump to help the investigation into Epstein, and therefore she deserved to get moved to a comfier prison where she has access to puppies and her own private cell. And people were able to conclude that, despite you never uttering the exact phrase, "I sure do love...."

And you did this all while making up positions for everyone else. Anyone can just go read through this thread and see that any example of Kirk saying or doing something shitty is just dismissed by either claiming it was a joke, or playing dumb about his actual meaning.

Let me try an example that might get through to you: You spend dozens of posts talking about blowing other guys. Is it possible for other posters to conclude you're gay, even if you never uttered the words, "I'm gay?" Figure that one out and you'll understand our position on both Kirk and your support for Maxwell.

 

[Ares Black]

Here's another one:

Yeah, left-wing people are much more likely to get diagnosed.

The vast majority of right-wing mental illness is undiagnosed.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Yeah, left-wing people are much more likely to get diagnosed.

The vast majority of right-wing mental illness is undiagnosed.

Cope. Maybe you should go visit your shrink. You've been pretty unhinged here lately.

 

[Ares Black]

Cope. Maybe you should go visit your shrink. You've been pretty unhinged here lately.

Cope AKA the truth


That's funny, I'm feeling especially hinged these days

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

Yeah, left-wing people are much more likely to get diagnosed.

The vast majority of right-wing mental illness is undiagnosed.

(I think he's talking about famous poll that dealt with self reporting. The liberals all had been to doctors or believed mental illnesses were real, large chunks of the conservatives did not believe adhd, depression, bi polar were not real)
Maybe it's irony bait, he can't be this stupid

 

[Ares Black]

(I think he's talking about famous poll that dealt with self reporting. The liberals all had been to doctors or believed mental illnesses were real, large chunks of the conservatives did not believe adhd, depression, bi polar were not real)

Yeah he definitely is

Maybe it's irony bait, he can't be this stupid

I think he can

 

[Mr Holmes]

(I think he's talking about famous poll that dealt with self reporting. The liberals all had been to doctors or believed mental illnesses were real, large chunks of the conservatives did not believe adhd, depression, bi polar were not real)
Maybe it's irony bait, he can't be this stupid

Thats some impressive mental gymnastics you and resident spaz nut case are displaying. However, the poll also includes moderates. So your goofy theory about conservatives not believing in doctors doesn't hold much water.

 

[Mr Holmes]

That's funny, I'm feeling especially hinged these days

Well, thats probably because you're clearly a crazy person.

 

[Ares Black]

Well, thats probably because you're clearly a crazy person.

I wouldn't use the word crazy

 

[Ares Black]

Thats some impressive mental gymnastics you and resident spaz nut case are displaying. However, the poll also includes moderates. So your goofy theory about conservatives not believing in doctors doesn't hold much water.

Spoiler Alert: It's a nonsense poll

 

[Mr Holmes]

Spoiler Alert: It's a nonsense poll

"Polls I don't like don't count *sniffle*"

 

[Ares Black]

"Polls I don't like don't count *sniffle*"

Here's another fact for you:

Right-wing people are fucking pussies

Brains of conservative voters have larger ‘fear centre’

MRI scans show that the amygdala — the organ involved in processing negative stimuli such as threats — is smaller in those who see themselves as progressive

www.thetimes.com