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[Scerpi]

So you think medical science proved to the pope the soul begins at conception? Tell me, what study / studies did the pope use to come to his conclusion. Because that’s fuckin amazing.

Too bad Jesus teachings took so long to be interpreted correctly.

This is why I don't believe in most organized religion. It always trends to authoritarian the bigger it gets.

The Catholic church also branded Galileo a heretic for saying the sun didn't rotate around the earth. The issue with organized religion is putting too much power in a few people at the top. Who can dictate and interpret as they see fit. I guess I've also had issues with the authority... to this day.

I abandoned Christianity as a teen... couldn't take the preaching and what was acceptable and what wasn't. There was too much that didn't make sense and when asked why... Because that's just the way it is... lol. This was in the 80's btw.

I saw it in the Mormon church when I lived in Utah. However, most of the people i met there were great, but i found the strict rules hilarious.... like the hot drinks and caffeine. Like... why? And most of the Mormons I met enjoyed alcohol in some fashion. lol. And that following the rules and getting approved are required before you're even allowed access to a temple for a service.

I attended a small church with a friend recently and enjoyed the sermon. It focused on family and dealing with life hardships and how work through life issues... with family, friends and verses from the bible. They also discussed events for helping out families in need and feeding the homeless.

Actually considered going again, but I know I won't. It was definitely a different vibe than the church I attended as a kid. I appreciated the focus on family and community.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Cmon.

No, there’s nothing that states a heartbeat = murder. That’s you making it up.

since this is a Kirk thread, would you also save 10 recently fertilized embryos over 3 live babies? Are each of the 13 heartbeats equivalent?

And since fertilized eggs don’t actually have a heartbeat until week 3-4, does that mean abortion is ok until then, doc? Or maybe when they develop a 4 chamber heart at weeks 7-8?

Then again the Bible is silent on this yet people want to claim scripture makes it clear.

Of course, we should give the authors a break as they had no idea.

Hmmm. Not really hard to find in the Bible

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart

Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with me.

 

[UberHere]

It certainly couldn’t survive at conception. So try again.

Take that up with the pope

 

[kflo]

Hmmm. Not really hard to find in the Bible

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart

Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with me.

So why did they believe in the “unformed” soul for centuries?

 

[kflo]

Take that up with the pope

That pope died a long time ago. And the popes before him who thought differently.

But of course, what I said was a fact.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I can understand someone being anti-abortion, but they aren't getting that from the bible. The christian God was not anti-abortion.

The bible never mentions abortion directly. The closest it comes in 5:11–31 which could be interrupted as sanctioned abortion as a punishment for adultery.

The most concrete "guidance" in the text is in 21:22–25 = this clearly defines a fetus as being property of value to the parents, not a living being, as the punishment for killing a fetus isn't death but instead a fine.

Wrong.
If you read the text along with the meaning of the words at the time, then that verse clearly says that if the baby comes early and there is no further injury then its a monetary penalty. But if there is further injury (ie. the child or mother dies) then its punishable by death.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Of course there were...

What I don't see (aside from the post itself) though is how "not going to feel sorry if true" equates to "he deserved it", because it doesn't. Keep reaching though; you may come up with the right excuse eventually.

Yes they've been deleted. My first post in this thread is gone and it was a reply to a post that said he got what he deserved. But belive what you want.

Are you really to dense to get the meaning of "not sorry if its true and he's a POS"?

 

[Da Speeit]

It's a simple question. Why does evil exist.
If there is such a god he made a system where evil is needed.

Why did God create evil. Why did he want it. He could have made a system that did not require evil or sadness. Don't explain the rules. Explain why the rules are set this way. You don't have to do it, I'm just pondering.
Imagine I make a maze, an adventure for mice and during parts of it I torture and kill their families until they get to the end and I reward them with cheese. If I said well I give them cheese at the end as reward do I need motivate them by torturing and killing their families so it balances. I'd be a psychopath. I didn't have to set up the game or test "to get tm heavenly cheese"with torture and killing.
Reality if God is really like he is the Bible is maze with unnecessary torture and maiming. If God is really that powerful he could construct a reality without suffering and evil to achieve the same ends as one with
Meaning if the bible is accurate, god is a psychopath.

I literally already answered your question.
If you think can psychologically diagnose God like a human being then you’re entirely missing the plot. God is a stone that does not move. Do you look at Mount Everest and think “man why does that mountain kill so people??!? That mountain is a sociopath!!”

Without your concept of “evil” there is no room for courage, heroism, graciousness, forgiveness, compassion or any of the attributes of humanity we strive for. Does Utopia sound fun or fulfilling?

The capacity we all have in our hears to do evil is what makes the “good” good. I don’t know you personally, but i assume you wake up every morning and put your foot forward to care for your loved ones and make a positive impact on those around you. YOU decide that. That’s free will. If you didn’t have to make that decision every day, what would be “good” about you?

Just saying, i’ve never met an atheist who has read the bible and been confused as to why evil exists.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

YOU are arguing the current interpretation from the Catholic Church represents the teachings of Jesus from 2000 years ago. Not the teachings from the Catholic Church for over 1000 years. You are doing that.

Why do you keep saying the Catholic Church teaching for 1000 years?

The earliest explicit teaching against abortion is found in the [I]Didache [/I]([I]The Lord's Instruction to the Gentiles through the Twelve Apostles[/I]). This work (c. 80) is the oldest source of ecclesiastical law and, after the New Testament, the first Christian catechism. The pertinent passage reads: "You shall not slay the child by abortion."24

The second reference to abortion appears in a theological tract known as the Epistle of the pseudo-Barnabas, written about 138. This work was highly regarded for centuries, especially by the theologians of Alexandria. The author treats abortion as a corollary to the law of fraternal charity: "You shall love your neighbor more than your own life. You shall not slay the child by abortion."25

 

[PainIsLIfe]

More than 70% of non-elderly families who receive government assistance have at least one person who works. Half of these families have someone who works a full-time job.

https://www.epi.org/publication/wages-and-transfers

So 30% shouldn't eat? I'm just answering your simple Bible quote with another.

When wages stagnate like they have for the last 50 years, and the cost of living continues to rise, this is the result.

You can care for the poor in other ways, but unless you solve the aforementioned issues through regulation, providing assistance through the government is the only reasonable method of help. When a government fails to protect society from the greed of unregulated industry, it has a duty to protect society through other means.

Govt assistance hasn't addressed the issue and many argue only perpetuates it.

I would say the local community is in a much better position to know who needs help and who doesn't. Otherwise we're just sending money to the govt to be scammed by crooks.

You're either naive or being extremely disingenuous, here, which is amusing because Pharisees also misinterpreted what Jesus was saying. He wasn't talking about physical fences and intruders. He was referring to himself as the gateway to salvation, and the sheep as everyone seeking it. The lesson is that Jesus is the only door to salvation, and that if you try to enter his kingdom otherwise, you will not be saved.

Using that passage to justify excluding and shunning immigrants is so anti-Christian I was actually kind of taken aback.

Again, just a single verse. Much like you post a verse while ignoring others. But we are called to obey the laws of govt. which include immigration laws.

Jesus commands people to love thy neighbor, and explicitly states that it is a lesson second only to loving God. He didn't say "Love thy neighbor unless they're transgender, and then treat them like garbage". If anything, Psalm 139:14 only reinforces God's love for all of his children. To attempt to use his words there to vilify people is kind of heinous.

Telling a man to go to the men's restroom and that he can't compete in sports against women isn't treating them like garbage. I'm sorry you dont understand that.

In fact we are to correct those who are falling away from God's will. How can proclaiming God made a mistake be anything but moving away from his will?

No, he didn't, but he did concern himself with helping those in need. Creating a just society where everybody is cared for is a far more Christian thing to do than creating a society where the majority suffer by the extreme few.

And that is why I donate to charity and volunteer at the local soup kitchen. I volunteer with the youth in our church and help travelers and strangers.

You seem to be under the impression that govt should do those things based on Christian principles while (I assume) simultaneously arguing for separation of church and state.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

So why did they believe in the “unformed” soul for centuries?

Says who?

Unformed soul:
The phrase appears in Psalm 139, where God sees and forms a person's "unformed substance" in the womb, signifying the soul's divine origin and intimate creation before physical birth.


As early as the time of Tertullian in the third century, Christianity had absorbed the Pythagorean Greek view that the soul was infused at the moment of conception. Though this view was confirmed by St. Gregory of Nyssa a century later, it would not be long before it would be rejected in favour of the Septuagintal notion that only a formed fœtus possessed a human soul. While Augustine speculated whether "animation" might be present prior to formation, he determined that abortion could only be defined as homicide once formation had occurred. Nevertheless, in common with all early Christian thought, Augustine condemned abortion from conception

 

[heloder]

Govt assistance hasn't addressed the issue and many argue only perpetuates it.

How hasn't it addressed the issue? Are millions starving? Are children going unclothed? Obviously it has been an enormous benefit to those in need. Are you saying it hasn't addressed the issue because people are still poor? As long as the systemic issues stay unresolved, poverty will persist. It's not a pathogen. It's a cancer. If you want to help resolve poverty, you need to greatly improve wealth inequality. Until then...

In fact we are to correct those who are falling away from God's will.

How many times does the Bible tell us that only God can judge people, and that we ought not to judge each other? And now here are you saying that not only should you judge your neighbor, but you should also correct them?

You seem to be under the impression that govt should do those things based on Christian principles while (I assume) simultaneously arguing for separation of church and state.

Being a decent person isn't a Christian principle. It just happens to coincide with one. It'd be nice if Christians began realizing that.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

How hasn't it addressed the issue? Are millions starving? Are children going unclothed? Obviously it has been an enormous benefit to those in need. Are you saying it hasn't addressed the issue because people are still poor? As long as the systemic issues stay unresolved, poverty will persist. It's not a pathogen. It's a cancer. If you want to help resolve poverty, you need to greatly improve wealth inequality. Until then...

Did social programs cause wages to unstagnate? That is why you claim the need for social programs.

And if govt social programs have addressed it then why do I still have people showing up at the food bank and soup kitchen?

How many times does the Bible tell us that only God can judge people, and that we ought not to judge each other? And now here are you saying that not only should you judge your neighbor, but you should also correct them?

I dont say so, they Bible does.:

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

Being a decent person isn't a Christian principle. It just happens to coincide with one. It'd be nice if Christians began realizing that.

You just cited Christian doctrine as reason the govt should do something. Its a bit disingenuous to say well Christianity doesn't matter.

 

[HereticBD]

Most have been removed now.

Zazen:
Not going to feel sorry if true.....He’s a piece of shit and one of the reasons we’re in this mess as a country. Horrible human.


And of course there are/were literaly dozens of links to posts from X and Instagram saying it.

There were so many deleted posts and thread bannings during that thing. One guy even whined for days about how he wasn't allowed to cheer on his death in that thread. Think it was @HOLA.

"But who actually said that?"

- Some Literal Retard From PEI

 

[Mr Holmes]

There were so many deleted posts and thread bannings during that thing. One guy even whined for days about how he wasn't allowed to cheer on his death in that thread. Think it was @HOLA.

"But who actually said that?"

- Some Literal Retard From PEI

I remember @Crazy Source sharing Filter's "Hey Man, Nice Shot" music video.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Uh, no it's not a "loophole." The threshold for claiming that somebody is factually a child abuser should require indisputable evidence, don't you think? That's a pretty serious accusation. You believe whatever Bluesky tells you to believe but think that asking for indisputable proof is somehow a denial tactic? This is exactly why the Epstein thread is basically now just a leftist circlejerk meme thread.

I'm saying no matter how concreted the evidence is, you and your ilk will deny and deflect.