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[UberHere]

“Not the act itself”.

You don’t even understand what you’re referencing. Lol. He had a specific obligation he chose not to fulfill.

I don’t know why logic is so hard for you. Stopping the act of procreation at the level of sperm is clearly an act God can’t let go. So stopping it later in the process……. fill in the blank.

 

[Bob Gray]

The current position of the Catholic Church…..you’re aware it’s changed over time?

Which changes what, exactly? The argument brought up was beliefs. So we talk about their current beliefs. If tomorrow suddenly they decide abortion is A-Ok, then the conversation would change because their beliefs have changed.

lol at pivoting to “life begins in the womb”. Derp.

Huh? I was talking about the passages they use to justify the position theyve taken.

What exactly is your argument? That religious beliefs are wrong? Or that they currently dont have the belief we're talking about?

If its the former, it doesnt matter in the context of this argument, since its entirely about what their beliefs are, not whether non religious people think theyre accurate.

If its the latter, what are basing it on?

 

[kflo]

I don’t know why logic is so hard for you. Stopping the act of procreation at the level of sperm is clearly an act God can’t let go. So stopping it later in the process……. fill in the blank.

It was his specific obligation. Not every man has the same obligation. You understand that right?

 

[UberHere]

It was his specific obligation. Not every man has the same obligation. You understand that right?

What is a mother’s obligation to her unborn baby? Is it more than a man’s obligation to his semen?

This is the God of the Bible now who Jesus claimed to be. Not your feelings.

 

[kflo]

Which changes what, exactly? The argument brought up was beliefs. So we talk about their current beliefs. If tomorrow suddenly they decide abortion is A-Ok, then the conversation would change because their beliefs have changed.


Huh? I was talking about the passages they use to justify the position theyve taken.

What exactly is your argument? That religious beliefs are wrong? Or that they currently dont have the belief we're talking about?

If its the former, it doesnt matter in the context of this argument, since its entirely about what their beliefs are, not whether non religious people think theyre accurate.

If its the latter, what are basing it on?

I never argued about what most christians believe. You’ve tried to change it to that. The original question was about the “teachings of Jesus”. Which is why I continue to ask about the actual language in the NT. Or point out that the church position has changed (did Jesus teachings change?).

 

[kflo]

What is a mother’s obligation to her unborn baby? Is it more than a man’s obligation to his semen?

This is the God of the Bible now who Jesus claimed to be. Not your feelings.

THAT man had an obligation.

The unwed man with no family obligation to procreate doesn’t have the same “obligation to his semen”.

 

[UberHere]

THAT man had an obligation.

The unwed man with no family obligation to procreate doesn’t have the same “obligation to his semen”.

What about the mother who has a baby in her uterus? What is her obligation to that child?

 

[Bob Gray]

I never argued about what most christians believe. You’ve tried to change it to that. The original question was about the “teachings of Jesus”. Which is why I continue to ask about the actual language in the NT. Or point out that the church position has changed (did Jesus teachings change?).

Good lord, man. So what exactly are you using as your base for what the teachings of Jesus are? Because you arent religious, you've never read the Bible, and apparently you dismiss the beliefs of both the religious population and any religious authority of what the teachings are.

So what exactly are you basing your interpretation of Jesus' teachings on?

 

[kflo]

What about the mother who has a baby in her uterus? What is her obligation to that child?

A clump of cells, remember?

 

[UberHere]

A clump of cells, remember?

Not according to the God of the Bible who Jesus is

 

[kflo]

Good lord, man. So what exactly are you using as your base for what the teachings of Jesus are? Because you arent religious, you've never read the Bible, and apparently you dismiss the beliefs of both the religious population and any religious authority of what the teachings are.

So what exactly are you basing your interpretation of Jesus' teachings on?

Why have the teachings of Jesus changed dramatically just on this topic?

 

[kflo]

Not according to the God of the Bible who Jesus is

Oh, really? Remind me what he said about it again.

 

[UberHere]

So to recap: the God of the Bible aka Jesus enforces the man’s duty to procreate with his wife, but not the mother’s duty to rear and raise her child. That’s what you’re going with now?

@kflo

 

[Bob Gray]

Why have the teachings of Jesus changed dramatically just on this topic?

Guy, can you answer questions without pivoting to asking a question yourself?

What's the basis youre using for the teachings of Jesus, since youre a non religious guy that hasn't read the Bible and dont think either the church or members of the religion are a good source for what these teachings are?

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

Why does evil exist.

 

[kflo]

So to recap: the God of the Bible aka Jesus enforces the man’s duty to procreate with his wife, but not the mother’s duty to rear and raise her child. That’s what you’re going with now?

@kflo

lol. You pivoting from insisting masturbation is always punishable by death by god?

 

[UberHere]

lol. You pivoting from insisting masturbation is always punishable by death by god?

I’m trying to get you to follow your logic. I don’t care about masturbation, but it’s quite obvious Jesus is against abortion. You’re leading yourself to that conclusion and I’m helping you do so.
This all started with your question of what does Jesus say about abortion…. Remember? It was only an hour or two ago.

 

[kflo]

Guy, can you answer questions without pivoting to asking a question yourself?

What's the basis youre using for the teachings of Jesus, since youre a non religious guy that hasn't read the Bible and dont think either the church or members of the religion are a good source for what these teachings are?

Shouldn’t we start with the text itself? And maybe, if the interpretation has changed materially over the years (it was different for hundreds of years) it’s pretty open to interpretation and impossible to unequivocally say the current interpretation from the (catholic) church is what Jesus actually meant.

 

[kflo]

I’m trying to get you to follow your logic. I don’t care about masturbation, but it’s quite obvious Jesus is against abortion. You’re leading yourself to that conclusion and I’m helping you do so.
This all started with your question of what does Jesus say about abortion…. Remember? It was only an hour or two ago.

It’s not obvious at all since he said nothing about it and god didn’t like masturbating to avoid fulfilling a family obligation. Somehow you’ve convinced yourself that means into life begins at conception and any term abortion is murder. When the Catholic Church itself has changed positions on the topic and that’s just the Catholic Church.

 

[Bob Gray]

Shouldn’t we start with the text itself? And maybe, if the interpretation has changed materially over the years (it was different for hundreds of years) it’s pretty open to interpretation and impossible to unequivocally say the current interpretation from the (catholic) church is what Jesus actually meant.

So what is your basis for what the teachings of Jesus actually are? Your own interpretation as a non religious guy who's never read the Bible or studied the religion?