Social Charlie Kirk Shot and Killed

[Confucamus]

"indisputable" is there loophole.

Uh, no it's not a "loophole." The threshold for claiming that somebody is factually a child abuser should require indisputable evidence, don't you think? That's a pretty serious accusation. You believe whatever Bluesky tells you to believe but think that asking for indisputable proof is somehow a denial tactic? This is exactly why the Epstein thread is basically now just a leftist circlejerk meme thread.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Excellent. Let's debate it.

Social safety nets—protecting the poor and downtrodden. Democrats are all for them. Republicans continually seek to tear them down. WWJD? Vote Blue.

“I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink… Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these, you did it to me.”
—Matthew 25:35, 40

True and undefiled religion is to care for the widows and orphans - that is true, but

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 2Thessalonians 3:10


also, can we only care for the poor through govt?

Immigration—welcoming, and including the outsider, instead of shunning and excluding them. Democrats are for immigration. Republicans continually seek to limit it, and are in the process of deporting thousands upon thousands of innocent migrants, and even sending many of them to foreign lands and prisons. WWJD? Vote Blue.

“I was a stranger and you welcomed me… Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these, you did it to me.”
—Matthew 25:35, 40

Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.
John 10:1

Civil rights for minorities and LGBTQ—protecting the socially stigmatized. Democrats heavily support minority and LGBTQ rights. Republicans continually seek to limit and further oppress them. WWJD? Vote Blue.

“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
—Mark 12:31

Can't believe you even went here, but:

I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
Psalm139:14

Hey, but if you think God made a mistake then by all means chop your junk off.

Taxation—Creating a more equal society in which more people can enjoy the fruits of our economy, instead of the vast majority suffering while the extreme few hoard vast amounts of wealth. Democrats support a progressive tax plan. Republicans oppose it. WWJD? Vote Blue.

“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
—Mark 10:25

Okay that's enough for now. Your turn.

Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Matthew 22:21

Jesus didnt cocern himself with taxation.

 

[kflo]

This is a dumb argument. Dems lose solely by supporting abortion. It doesnt matter whether or not you agree with their logic, the common outlook is abortion is murdering babies. You lose. Nothing you'll ever argue will be stronger than that. I have no idea why you tried this tactic. Did you honestly think youd have some sort of point?

What does the New Testament say about abortion?

 

[UberHere]

What does the New Testament say about abortion?

The New Testament assumes one to know and follow the commandments of the Old Testament. Not committing murder is one of those. I’m not against abortion per se, but once that baby has a heart beat, you’re committing murder. No rationalization changes the fact that you’re ending a life. Just own up to it. It is what it is.

 

[Bob Gray]

What does the New Testament say about abortion?

Who cares? It has nothing to with the argument hes making or my response.

 

[kflo]

The New Testament assumes one to know and follow the commandments of the Old Testament. Not committing murder is one of those. I’m not against abortion per se, but once that baby has a heart beat, you’re committing murder. No rationalization changes the fact that you’re ending a life. Just own up to it. It is what it is.

Cmon.

No, there’s nothing that states a heartbeat = murder. That’s you making it up.

since this is a Kirk thread, would you also save 10 recently fertilized embryos over 3 live babies? Are each of the 13 heartbeats equivalent?

And since fertilized eggs don’t actually have a heartbeat until week 3-4, does that mean abortion is ok until then, doc? Or maybe when they develop a 4 chamber heart at weeks 7-8?

Then again the Bible is silent on this yet people want to claim scripture makes it clear.

Of course, we should give the authors a break as they had no idea.

 

[kflo]

Who cares? It has nothing to with the argument hes making or my response.

lol.

This was literally the context Bob:

“Which platform do you think aligns more with the teachings of Jesus: The Republican platform, or the Democrat platform?”

You’re saying that has nothing to do with the NT?

 

[Mr Holmes]

Reddit atheist bros to the rescue! I had no idea Jesus would be good with abortions.

 

[UberHere]

Cmon.

No, there’s nothing that states a heartbeat = murder. That’s you making it up.

since this is a Kirk thread, would you also save 10 recently fertilized embryos over 3 live babies? Are each of the 13 heartbeats equivalent?

And since fertilized eggs don’t actually have a heartbeat until week 3-4, does that mean abortion is ok until then, doc? Or maybe when they develop a 4 chamber heart at weeks 7-8?

Then again the Bible is silent on this yet people want to claim scripture makes it clear.

Of course, we should give the authors a break as they had no idea.

What a bunch of horse shit. Too ashamed to admit it. Pussy.

I’m talking about embryo’s and fetuses with heart beats and brain waves, not clumps of cells.

 

[kflo]

What a bunch of horse shit. Too ashamed to admit it. Pussy

Hahahaha.

Did this conversation suddenly become too difficult for you doc?

 

[UberHere]

Hahahaha.

Did this conversation suddenly become too difficult for you doc?

You’re talking about clumps of cells. I’m talking about organisms with heart beats and brain waves. You’re in over your head

 

[kflo]

You’re talking about clumps of cells. I’m talking about organisms with heart beats and brain waves. You’re in over your head

And I specifically asked you about them. You’re raging instead of discussing.

So you agree that there’s a period from conception until “heartbeat” where abortion isn’t “murder” or against the Bible. That’s a start. Of course, many Christian’s disagree with you.

And of course an actual “heartbeat” also can be debated as the embryo doesn’t have an actual “heart” for weeks after the first sign of pulsing.

You don’t seem to want to get into this nuance (of course the Bible doesn’t either) and just rage that abortion = murder even when you don’t believe that (as you believe it’s only murder when there’s a heartbeat).

 

[UberHere]

And I specifically asked you about them. You’re raging instead of discussing.

So you agree that there’s a period from conception until “heartbeat” where abortion isn’t “murder” or against the Bible. That’s a start. Of course, many Christian’s disagree with you.

And of course an actual “heartbeat” also can be debated as the embryo doesn’t have an actual “heart” for weeks after the first sign of pulsing.

You don’t seem to want to get into this nuance (of course the Bible doesn’t either) and just rage that abortion = murder even when you don’t believe that (as you believe it’s only murder when there’s a heartbeat).

Pretty much yeah. Abortion after 25 weeks is absolutely murder. We just use the legal term of “personhood” to prevent our laws from defining it as such. From a biological perspective, it is murder.

It’s a still a grey moral issue prior to that whether you’re religious or not.

I’m not really interested in debating goal posts, but from a religious perspective, abortions at any time is absolutely murder if you believe that only God can destroy a life. I mean shit. Masturbating is a fucking sin and God struck Onan dead for “wasting his seed”. Let’s keep the argument in context here which is specifically the morality of abortion from a Christian perspective.

 

[Bob Gray]

lol.

This was literally the context Bob:

“Which platform do you think aligns more with the teachings of Jesus: The Republican platform, or the Democrat platform?”

You’re saying that has nothing to do with the NT?

You really need it spelled out?

Jesus thought murder was bad and pro life people often believe its murdering a baby.

 

[kflo]

You really need it spelled out?

Jesus thought murder was bad and pro life people often believe its murdering a baby.

You literally tried to suggest it’s irrelevant what the NT says about abortion. Lol.

So, the question is still what did Jesus actually say about abortion?

It’s certainly more relevant than what “pro-life people say”, dontcha think?

 

[UberHere]

You literally tried to suggest it’s irrelevant what the NT says about abortion. Lol.

So, the question is still what did Jesus actually say about abortion?

It’s certainly more relevant than what “pro-life people say”, dontcha think?

What did Jesus actually say about child molestation?
What did Jesus actually say about taking it in the ass?

 

[Bob Gray]

Reddit atheist bros to the rescue! I had no idea Jesus would be good with abortions.

Well it "technically" isnt mentioned, so it's fine to conclude the teachings of Christianity dont actually condemn it. I guess? Just like child porn on the internet. Jesus never actually mentioned the internet or child porn, so its tough to say if his teachings would call it immoral.

 

[Bob Gray]

You literally tried to suggest it’s irrelevant what the NT says about abortion. Lol.

So, the question is still what did Jesus actually say about abortion?

It’s certainly more relevant than what “pro-life people say”, dontcha think?

I was referring to this stupid attempt to try to imply thay since it isnt specifically mentioned, somehow it can be argued that its not against the teachings. Its a dumb argument that doesnt need to happen because I know you arent stupid.

Besides I answered in the quote you responded to.

Murder = Bad
Baby Murder = Therefore bad.

 

[kflo]

Pretty much yeah. Abortion after 25 weeks is absolutely murder. We just use the legal term of “personhood” to prevent our laws from defining it as such. From a biological perspective, it is murder.

It’s a still a grey moral issue prior to that whether you’re religious or not.

I’m not really interested in debating goal posts, but from a religious perspective, abortions at any time is absolutely murder if you believe that only God can destroy a life. I mean shit. Masturbating is a fucking sin and God struck Onan dead for “wasting his seed”. Let’s keep the argument in context here which is specifically the morality of abortion from a Christian perspective.

That’s why I specifically asked what the NT (or OT) says about abortion. If you’re going to claim that from a religious perspective abortion at any time is murder you have to have a textual argument.

“Wasting his seed” has nothing to do with whether abortion is “murder”. And of course the story of onan is still open to interpretation and not strictly a masturbation = death rule.

We destroy lives all the time in the name of god. Certainly non-human lives.

So again the actual text of the Bible is ambiguous at best. It’s certainly not clearly spelled out. But again, of course, the authors didn’t know much (anything) about embryos or fetuses.

 

[Da Speeit]

It’s just a tool people use to try and turn their perceived enemies into pacifists. Notice they don’t do that with Jews or Muslims.

That’s what i’m sayin!