Charles Oliveira, overrated ground game?

[JAL]

This is 2021 and once again, MMA proves they have the worst fans. People who still reference some of the champs losses 4- 5 years ago lack basic common sense.

Khabib aside - Dustin, CharlO and Beneil have evolved to the number next to their name.
Islam still a wildcard.... we'll see.

only dustin has proved something Charles and Beneil havent proven shit.. Charles is a champ with his best win being old Tony Ferguson and same with Beneil... Islam beating Arman is 10x the win 38 years Tony ferguson is..

 

[Shaddows]

Yes the guy with literally the most submissions in UFC history has overrated grappling.

Ah Sherdog.

I think what OP meant, is that he never actually saw any Oliveira fights, but he has a strong opinion about it!!!

 

[Peli]

I’ve never been that impressed by his bjj. I mean it’s certainly elite, but people make it sound like he’s untouchable. Actually, I think Poirier and Islam have a better chance to submit him than the opposite. I really don’t see him winning the bjj or wrestling game against these two.

A lot of people are overrated by this sub and mma once they reach elite levels. Look at how many people overrated gaethje's wrestling, which is good and elite then Khabib made it look amateur so now gaethje's wrestling sucks.

Oliveira is great on the floor, elite on the floor, but he's not automatic like Khabib or like that. When he loses, people will say wow he has bjj which would be far from the truth. The truth is in the middle with most outrageous takes

 

[hymn]

At BJJ black belt is not going to be "on top of" a Russian Combat Sambo specialist.

i think he could sweep him, it's not like there's a magic ingredient to sambo top game anyone else's missing

khabib himself never fought someone who would've really pushed his grappling once on the ground, except maybe RDA, it was usually a question of whether his opponents could do anything before getting taken down

 

[JSN]

…and the award for worst thread of the years goes to…

TS!

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

Here he is getting submitted by Anthony Pettis

it's mma and striking leads to being dazed and rushing in and getting caught with more strikes or a submission.

Benson also go submitted by Pettis who has very underrated BJJ - you know Benson who is a BB who has competed in ADCC and managed to last with almost 10 mins with Rodolfo Vieira.

 

[mxer31]

I’ve never been that impressed by his bjj. I mean it’s certainly elite, but people make it sound like he’s untouchable. Actually, I think Poirier and Islam have a better chance to submit him than the opposite. I really don’t see him winning the bjj or wrestling game against these two.

you sir.. are an idiot..

 

[fortheo]

He's obviously got some of the best BJJ in that division, which is impressive considering who is in that division. His problem, but also his gift, is that he's a big risk taker with his grappling. Often times the risk pays off, other times it causes him to lose position or even get submitted himself.

Islam is the level of grappler that could possibly make Charles pay for that, but Dustin? I don't think so.

 

[brackis1]

only dustin has proved something Charles and Beneil havent proven shit.. Charles is a champ with his best win being old Tony Ferguson and same with Beneil... Islam beating Arman is 10x the win 38 years Tony ferguson is..

His best win is finishing the shit out of Chandler for the title?

 

[brackis1]

it's mma and striking leads to being dazed and rushing in and getting caught with more strikes or a submission.

Benson also go submitted by Pettis who has very underrated BJJ - you know Benson who is a BB who has competed in ADCC and managed to last with almost 10 mins with Rodolfo Vieira.

I also feel like the lankier the BJJ player, the better their finishing ability but also the easier it is for them to be caught as well.

Stumpier guys can't hit as many things but also have tougher necks and extremities in terms of pressure leverage.

 

[rjmbrd]

Here he is getting submitted by Anthony Pettis

He's gone 10-2 since then and his loss to Pettis was at featherweight.

It's almost like he's a better fighter 5 years later and in the right weight division.

 

[jeskola]

I’ve never been that impressed by his bjj. I mean it’s certainly elite, but people make it sound like he’s untouchable. Actually, I think Poirier and Islam have a better chance to submit him than the opposite. I really don’t see him winning the bjj or wrestling game against these two.

This thread is almost as good as "Marion Reneau is going to smoke Miesha Tate". I am not sure if there is a troll brigade starting threads or the new generation of sherdoggers are really this dumb.

 

[quadrunner]

Here he is getting submitted by Anthony Pettis

pettis has submitted Do bronx, bendo, chiesa and giblert... just because he did it doesn’t mean poirier will, even tho it is of course possible.

I still think dustin is a huge problem for Charles, hope I’m wrong but we will see. One thing is for sure tho, his BJJ definitely isn’t overrated lmfao

 

[ryun253]

thats because he had 28 fights in the ufc...

Damian Maia has 33

 

[Franklin U.]

only dustin has proved something Charles and Beneil havent proven shit.. Charles is a champ with his best win being old Tony Ferguson and same with Beneil... Islam beating Arman is 10x the win 38 years Tony ferguson is..

That's because you're probably the dumb sh----- I go on about with MMA having the worst fans.
Islam would like an easy w in Chandler but when Beneils name was brought up , he talked with a but uncertainty. I wonder why that is ( not that Islam couldnt win ).

Save that type of response for people like you. It's a fair fight.

I DO NOT give you permission to respond to this.

 

[Hassan Mouzine]

ground game is more than just submissions/bjj

i think his ground game is overrated (not his submission skills, 2 different things that do have a connection of course)

. let's be honest......guys like khabib and islam would NEVER be submitted by guys like pettis/jim miller etc. they have a better overal grappling game. better wrestling, better positional, better ground game and what we saw from khabib on his back.......i dont believe oliveira is better from his back

people act like charles would give khabib problems, but he would take him down without any problems........he not take that many risks and just tire him out. then fuck him up with some heavy gnp and charles would either quit or get submitted.

oh and on the feet charles has improved but khabib would outstrike him like has done with all others. islam is no khabib so maybe charles best shot is a striking match against islam, because on the floor islam is just too big and crafty

 

[TheVenom]

pettis has submitted Do bronx, bendo, chiesa and giblert... just because he did it doesn’t mean poirier will, even tho it is of course possible.

I still think dustin is a huge problem for Charles, hope I’m wrong but we will see. One thing is for sure tho, his BJJ definitely isn’t overrated lmfao

People seem to forget Pettis was a champion caliber fighter, once upon a time.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

I’ve never been that impressed by his bjj. I mean it’s certainly elite, but people make it sound like he’s untouchable. Actually, I think Poirier and Islam have a better chance to submit him than the opposite. I really don’t see him winning the bjj or wrestling game against these two.

I’ll throw you a bone.

His BJJ is slightly front runner-ish. That’s why I’ve never favored him to beat Khabib. He doesn’t seem like the type to catch a triangle or guillotine against the flow of the fight.

He makes mistakes and loses position too. Chandler fight the most recent example. Fully locked body triangle early and it was lost completely in seconds.

As for the two matchups, I can only see him getting subbed by DP if he gets hurt and/or tired first. I can definitely see him wilting to a tight guillotine if that happens, but as a pure statistical matter I don’t think he’s more likely to get subbed than vice versa.

Islam I might agree. Charles needs to sprawl and brawl in that matchup IMO. Islam is really strong and patient. I can definitely see him wearing Olives down and stopping him.