Chael: MMA fighters are crybabies

AP_RESURRECTION said:
yea i think it started looping, you were right
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Seems like Austin did two parts with the middle break included & his producer played pt. 1 again by mistake

But SCSA makes a shitload of errors recording, so maybe he sent the same file 2x

He spoke with Meltzer for 2+ hrs for a two-parter & never hit record lol
 
Malthian said:
Chael is right.

There are no "heroes" without heels. That's the nature of story telling and real life.

Hulk Hogan would have been nothing without Roddy Piper. Bruno Sammartino is a nobody without Larry Zbysko. Batman is nothing with the Joker. Superman without Lex Luthor is just a guy in tights taking down street thugs.

And in the absence of heroes, people will still pay attention to the villains.

Without the morrocan gunman, the 3 guys in France are just 3 guys on vacation. However, without the 3 guys in france, the gunman kills a ton of people and is still a famous psychopath terrorist.

People have a need to actualize their desire for people to blame and hate as well as people to defend and uphold their values.

The fighters who are great at promotion understand this. Rousey admits point blank that she started with the intention of being the heel. Conor accepts that he will be hated by some portion of the fan base. Tito Ortiz and the Diaz brothers built entire careers out of being scorned and hated.

Fighters say they want to be "professional", however part of their profession is selling tickets and getting people to watch them fight. And not all of them can be Rich Franklin or Forrest Griffin.

Loved, hated, as long as you buy their tickets and watch their PPV's, why should they care? Fighters need to either stop being worried so much about public scrutiny, or they need to stop complaining about nobody paying attention to them.

There's always a core of fans that will whine about the "spirit" of fighting and that it should be about the fight and not the marketing. However, without marketing and promotion, there would be no prize for the prize fighters.

If you have no audience to fund the prizes for your fights, then you might as well just be scrapping in your driveway.
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Excellent summation.

Unfortunately it will go over the head of most posters.
 
Malthian said:
There's always a core of fans that will whine about the "spirit" of fighting and that it should be about the fight and not the marketing. However, without marketing and promotion, there would be no prize for the prize fighters.

If you have no audience to fund the prizes for your fights, then you might as well just be scrapping in your driveway.
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That is the best thing posted on here in a long time
 
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Well, it makes you look really stupid if you talk shit all day and get whooped. Just look at Chael, the big donkey had no hespect.
 
ostlerrage said:
Not a good thing to say Chael. Not after your losses due to tapping from strikes.
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I'm pretty sure he's speaking on fighters actions OUTSIDE of the cage...always griping about money, how bad the UFC sucks, etc.

I gotta agree with the dude!

You can't deny that many fighters lack emotional fortitude, despite having and abundance of physical fortitude.
 
Toco said:
i was gonna say this

the guy who quits after any good punch he takes??
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Theproof said:
This has nothing to do with what he is saying....
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People really lack common sense and basic comprehension skills. Sonnen is talking about building one's promotion, promoting one's self, the fight, and the sport. He's talking about fighters whining about fighter pay but then they are not doing anything to bring the promotion more money or themselves more money. He's not even talking about "fighting spirit" but the fact that many fighters cry about fight pay yet won't do interviews unless they are forced, not going the extra mile to help promote the fight, promote the promotion etc. Fighters should listen to Chael. He's one of the VERY FEW that actually got PPV points without ever being a champ.

Also, for the record, he's not the only guy to tap to strike. Let's see

- GSP can be seen tapping to Serra
- Shogun can be seen tapping as Jones swarms him and the ref stops the fight
- Forrest Griffin tapping/waving off the fight against Silva
- Ortiz to Shamrock
- Couture tapped to big boy Ricco back in the day

If you can't take it anymore, better to tap and fight another day. No shame.
 
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Malthian said:
Chael is right.

There are no "heroes" without heels. That's the nature of story telling and real life.

Hulk Hogan would have been nothing without Roddy Piper. Bruno Sammartino is a nobody without Larry Zbysko. Batman is nothing with the Joker. Superman without Lex Luthor is just a guy in tights taking down street thugs.

And in the absence of heroes, people will still pay attention to the villains.

Without the morrocan gunman, the 3 guys in France are just 3 guys on vacation. However, without the 3 guys in france, the gunman kills a ton of people and is still a famous psychopath terrorist.

People have a need to actualize their desire for people to blame and hate as well as people to defend and uphold their values.

The fighters who are great at promotion understand this. Rousey admits point blank that she started with the intention of being the heel. Conor accepts that he will be hated by some portion of the fan base. Tito Ortiz and the Diaz brothers built entire careers out of being scorned and hated.

Fighters say they want to be "professional", however part of their profession is selling tickets and getting people to watch them fight. And not all of them can be Rich Franklin or Forrest Griffin.

Loved, hated, as long as you buy their tickets and watch their PPV's, why should they care? Fighters need to either stop being worried so much about public scrutiny, or they need to stop complaining about nobody paying attention to them.

There's always a core of fans that will whine about the "spirit" of fighting and that it should be about the fight and not the marketing. However, without marketing and promotion, there would be no prize for the prize fighters.

If you have no audience to fund the prizes for your fights, then you might as well just be scrapping in your driveway.
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You sir, are the man.
 
BruceLeeOnTRT said:
100%.

and people will hate them no matter what they do, because mma fans dont like mma fighters for some reason.

look at some of the posts in this thread so far lol. no matter what chael said, he'd be hated on.
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No no Chael is " hated on " for what he says.
Simple.
 
Rather see crybabies than a kiss ass
 
Fatal Catro said:
No no Chael is " hated on " for what he says.
Simple.
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If you read through this thread you'd realize that most of the people here didn't even read what Chael said. They just saw his name in the title, invented their own little narrative and started hating.
 
Oh like he mean when he himself cried after Filho Armbared him?
 
ostlerrage said:
Not a good thing to say Chael. Not after your losses due to tapping from strikes.
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I think you misinterpreted what Chael said. He's saying that fighter's complain about not getting paid enough or not getting good enough promotion, which is valid, the UFC doesn't really pay enough at the elite level. Chael's point is that there are things fighters can do to put themselves in a better position to make money. He says that you can go down one of a couple routes, which ironically is the route Rousey and Mcgregor have taken to garner themselves so much attention.

The first route is of the face/good guy, which The Rock from WWE is well known for. Ronda Rousey is on this path, because she is naturally charismatic, good looking, and a good talker who's good at getting people on her side and interested in what she's doing. Being a face, especially in MMA is the harder path to make work, because many fighters lack natural charisma when talking to the media.

The second route is of the Heel/bad guy, which Stone Cold Steve Austin made famous. Conor Mcgreggor is walking down this path, although I think he's more similar to The Rock when he was originally a heel himself. The heel embraces the cynical side of the fanbase, and intentionally incites hatred from them. Chael says that it's way easier to become hated among the mma fanbase, as seen by Conor, who's brash bravado and clever trash talk irritates many, and causes him be the primary talk of the media, and fans on forums/social media. The world tour is the best highlight of a fighter being the best heel he could be, and it should be studied for years to come. The key that Chael said about being a heel is that, mma fans love to hate fighters regardless of what they do, which makes it easier to take this path since it doesn't take much at all to be public enemy number one (see: Jon Jones prior to the first car crash). Fighter's should stop worrying about pissing people off, and accept that strangers just won't like them for whatever reason, and just use it to their advantage to get themselves talked about, and noticed.

The other thing Chael said that applies to both routes is that, you have to be consistent in character whenever the camera is rolling to make it real for the audience. Chael says that the vast majority of times you saw him, Ronda, Conor in the media, they're consistent in personality or "living their gimmick". Chael did question if Conor can keep that up on TUF where the cameras are rolling 24/7, because Chael cited difficulties keeping that act up when he coached against Jon Jones. Even Ronda didn't come off too good on TUF, but it didn't affect her too much since that show has horrible ratings.
 
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Inashikacho said:
I think you misinterpreted what Chael said. He's saying that fighter's complain about not getting paid enough or not getting good enough promotion, which is valid, the UFC doesn't really pay enough at the elite level. Chael's point is that there are things fighters can do to put themselves in a better position to make money. He says that you can go down one of a couple routes, which ironically is the route Rousey and Mcgregor have taken to garner themselves so much attention.

The first route is of the face/good guy, which The Rock from WWE is well known for. Ronda Rousey is on this path, because she is naturally charismatic, good looking, and a good talker who's good at getting people on her side and interested in what she's doing. Being a face, especially in MMA is the harder path to make work, because many fighters lack natural charisma when talking to the media.

The second route is of the Heel/bad guy, which Stone Cold Steve Austin made famous. Conor Mcgreggor is walking down this path, although I think he's more similar to The Rock when he originally a heel himself. The heel embraces the cynical side of the fanbase, and intentionally incites hatred from them. Chael says that it's way easier to become hated among the mma fanbase, as seen by Conor, who's brash bravado and clever trash talk irritates many, and causes him be the primary talk of the media, and fans on forums/social media. The world tour is the best highlight of a fighter being the best heel he could be, and it should be studied for years to come. The key that Chael said about being a heel is that, mma fans love to hate fighters regardless of what they do, which makes it easier to take this path since it doesn't take much at all to be public enemy number one (see: Jon Jones prior to the first car crash). Fighter's should stop worrying about pissing people off, and accept that strangers just won't like them for whatever reason, and just use it to their advantage to get themselves talked about, and noticed.

The other thing Chael said that applies to both routes is that, you have to be consistent in character whenever the camera is rolling to make it real for the audience. Chael says that the vast majority of times you saw him, Ronda, Conor in the media, they're consistent in personality or "living their gimmick". Chael did question if Conor can keep that up on TUF where the cameras are rolling 24/7, because Chael cited difficulties keeping that act up when he coached against Jon Jones. Even Ronda didn't come off too good on TUF, but it didn't affect her too much since that show has horrible ratings.
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He actually said the reverse about Ronda/Conor & SCSA/Rock

He said Ronda is just like Austin in that they are amped up versions of themselves, while Rock & Conor are planned in advance & that they are very different away from promotion
 
If Chael hadn't of juiced in the first Silva fight he wldn't of been where he is today, he's very lucky.
Almost beating the spider put him on the map
 
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