Crime CERN Scientist: "Physics Built By Men - Not By Invitation" [He's Gone and Einstein's Right...Again.]

[NoDak]

I used to think it was always men too especially back during the early years of nuclear physics. But then you mention that Otto Hahn fella in the other thread. After reading some about him, some females scientists are also mention like Ida Noddack (is that your namesake?). Also apparently Einstein had a christian wife, and the feminists are trying to push her as the real creator of E=mc^2.

Handle is in reference to North Dakota.

Yea, Lise Meitner probably should've gotten more credit along with Fritz Strassman when he won for that.

The thing is, Otto Hahn could've very well been awarded several of them including the Peace prize. The discovery of nuclear fission in 1938 altered the course of human history and was his biggest single achievement, but he'd been the world's foremost radio-chemist throughout the first few decades of the 20th century having notably also discovered radioactive recoil in 1909 and nuclear isomerism in 1921. He was nominated 22 times for the Nobel Chemistry award between 1914-45.

With Max Planck's death in 1947, he inherited the informal chair as the custodian of German science and was responsible for overseeing the post-war rebuilding effort as the first President of the renamed - in honor of Planck - Kaiser Wilhelm Society, which has arguably been the world's top institution pretty much since its inception in 1911.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Marie Curie.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

Truth is poison to feminists.

Men absolutely are to thank for physics, what can we thank women for? The wind shield wiper?

but......its only been fairly recently that women have been allowed to participate in this field. so wtf would we expect but a history of male scientists?

 

[NoDak]

Marie Curie.

Seated right in between Planck and Lorentz.

 

[TheGreatA]

but......its only been fairly recently that women have been allowed to participate in this field. so wtf would we expect but a history of male scientists?

It's not like they allowed even the men to originally participate in the field. It was, after all, heresy to suggest most of the things that we now regard as common sense.

Men seized the initiative, put themselves at an enormous risk, explored the unexplored, and developed something which has later become available to all, secure for all to partake in. And later, of course, they would be chastised for it, by a people who understand nothing.

That seems to be the general trend.

What I truly question is why men continue to put themselves through this loop, knowing that there is no gratitude at the end of it. I suppose it is a matter of pure curiosity, as well as adventurousness.

 

[sweede]

Seated right in between Planck and Lorentz.

I must say. What a BRAVE woman! A true role model.

 

[SleepyBoy]

Recruiter in the IT industry checking in.

We will fill the job with whoever we can, we aren't interested in making our job harder by adding unnecessary filters.

Women in the IT world are also celebrated and can work up the ladder quickly.

 

[NoDak]

As if a woman wasn't the only person in history to win two Nobel prizes in separate scientific fields - over a century ago.

I must say. What a BRAVE woman! A true role model.

Look Above.

There are a couple of things to take from it.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

It's not like they allowed even the men to originally participate in the field. It was, after all, heresy to suggest most of the things that we now regard as common sense.

Men seized the initiative, put themselves at an enormous risk, explored the unexplored, and developed something which has later become available to all, secure for all to partake in. And later, of course, they would be chastised for it, by a people who understand nothing.

That seems to be the general trend.

What I truly question is why men continue to put themselves through this loop, knowing that there is no gratitude at the end of it. I suppose it is a matter of pure curiosity, as well as adventurousness.

attitudes toward men working in physics changed throughout europe over time, but its been the same for women up until recently.

the men risked a lot after the renaissance period, youre right. so imagine how much women would have been risking. women in europe at that time were not even permitted to get a basic education lol.

even in the early 20th century, sure a woman could work her ass off an do physics, but she'd better have no plans of getting married.

 

[leto1776]

The men responsible only did it in hopes of impressing women and getting some ass. Otherwise they would have been home playing video games.

A lot of great feats in history can be credited to dudes trying to impress women. Some theorize that Napoleon was constantly seeking approval from his wife Josephine. He wrote to her every day from the battlefield, telling of his accomplishments that day.

 

[TheGreatA]

attitudes toward men working in physics changed throughout europe over time, but its been the same for women up until recently.

the men risked a lot after the renaissance period, youre right. so imagine how much women would have been risking. women in europe at that time were not even permitted to get a basic education lol.

even in the early 20th century, sure a woman could work her ass off an do physics, but she'd better have no plans of getting married.

Women don't generally take risks. That's the reason why they demand risk-free environments in order to properly function. Which we can afford, in a highly civilized state of affairs with plenty of resources to spare.

There was never a history where women could've develop physics. Just like there will probably never be a future where women will develop something that we may currently regard as the unknown, and perhaps the unwanted, yet true. Just like physics, in its time.

 

[NoDak]

There are some jobs and occupations where we can afford to hire people based on their gender or skin color. Not in the realm of science, though.

The long-term effects of imposing a "diversity quota" in science, would likely amount to an intellectual castration, not merely a physical one.

If you want more women in physics then you've got to find a way to make them more motivated about the subject. Lowering the bar is never the answer.

We need MOAR women & minorites in STEM.

That would be great, but what we need are the most talented, qualified and passionate people for the jobs as it isn't spectacularly well-compensated relative to mental workload, what we should (continue to) strive for is equal opportunity across the board and what we can do is (further) attempt to cultivate interest among underrepresented groups.

OTOH the more radical ideas about introducing (in)equality quota systems, handing out awards just because and interrogating numbers and equations for their role in "promoting white racial interests" is dogshit stupid. Re: the latter - yeah, really. "Decolonizing Eurocentric science" isn't an option either.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

Women don't generally take risks.

lol

shit like this is why feminism has gone F'ing nuts today. youre the problem, thats created another problem.

 

[TheGreatA]

lol

shit like this is why feminism has gone F'ing nuts today. youre the problem, thats created another problem.

They can go nuts all they want, as can you, does not make that statement any less true.

I tend not to worry about what sort of emotions my statements will evoke in hysterical reactionaries.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

They can go nuts all they want, as can you, does not make that statement any less true.

I tend not to worry about what sort of emotions my statements will evoke in hysterical reactionaries.

its just an unsubstantiated claim.

youre basing it off of observation of outcomes, but have you considered that women were discouraged/prevented from taking risks of this kind throughout most of their history? its always been much easier for men to take risks like these.

 

[RockstarChris]

what do wimen have to do with science

whats next, math?

 

[NoDak]

They can go nuts all they want, as can you, does not make that statement any less true.

I tend not to worry about what sort of emotions my statements will evoke in hysterical reactionaries.

its just an unsubstantiated claim.

youre basing it off of observation of outcomes, but have you considered that women were discouraged/prevented from taking risks of this kind throughout most of their history? its always been much easier for men to take risks like these.

Not gonna wade into this debate but the gender determining SRY gene on the Y chromosome defo plays a huge role in our psychology. @Kafir-kun.

It's Testosterone that directly leads to the actual development of the penile shaft, glans, wolffian ducts and descent of the testicles from the abdominal cavity. It quite literally made you a man a long time before you ever hit puberty, so wielding an enormous impact on your body composition, sex drive, mental state and well-being amongst a multitude of other factors as an adult is light work.

Even in our modern fat shit western society, you won't be likely to find anyone with a total T level north of 1000 ng/dL who at all struggles with their weight unless they've got inordinately high levels of SHGB. Not that surprising considering it boosts your BMR, creates an environment for burning adipose (fat) tissue over lean mass and even directly inhibits the creation of fat cells.

 

[Joe265]

Dumb humans think they created physics. They're really just helping reveal what was already there, AND trying to take as much credit as possible, unfortunately. Snake oil runs this world.

 

[NoDak]

Men seized the initiative, put themselves at an enormous risk, explored the unexplored, and developed something which has later become available to all, secure for all to partake in. And later, of course, they would be chastised for it, by a people who understand nothing.

 

[ChillBroBaggins]

Dumb humans think they created physics. They're really just helping reveal what was already there, AND trying to take as much credit as possible, unfortunately. Snake oil runs this world.