Crime CERN Scientist: "Physics Built By Men - Not By Invitation" [He's Gone and Einstein's Right...Again.]

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  1. NoDak

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45703700

    A senior scientist has given what has been described as a "highly offensive" presentation about the role of women in physics, the BBC has learned.

    At a workshop organised by CERN, Professor Alessandro Strumia of Pisa University said that "physics was invented and built by men, it's not by invitation".

    He said male scientists were being discriminated against because of ideology rather than merit. He was speaking at a workshop in Geneva on gender and high energy physics. Professor Strumia has since defended his comments, saying he was only presenting the facts.

    CERN, the European nuclear research centre, described Prof Strumia's presentation as "highly offensive".

    The centre, which discovered the Higgs Boson in 2012, has removed slides used in the talk from its website "in line with a code of conduct that does not tolerate personal attacks and insults".

    Prof Strumia, who regularly works at CERN, presented the results of a study of published research papers from an online library.

    He told his audience of young, predominantly female physicists that his results proved that "physics is not sexist against women. However the truth does not matter, because it is part of a political battle coming from outside".

    In 2015, Nobel laureate Prof Tim Hunt resigned from his position at University College London after telling an audience of young female scientists at a conference in South Korea that the "trouble with girls" in labs was that "when you criticise them they cry".


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  2. VivaRevolution

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    I am shocked that the institutions responsible for this behavoir find his criticism offensive. Shocked I'll tell you, shocked.
     
  3. Tropodan

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    Truth is poison to feminists.

    Men absolutely are to thank for physics, what can we thank women for? The wind shield wiper?
     
  4. Steve-French

    Steve-French What A Rush!!!

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    Ha! This reminds of Bill Burr owning his wife when they banter about what women actually invented. :D

     
  5. Swing

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    I thought the whole point of a deal with it gif was to direct it at people who are complaining about things being unfair.
     
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  6. NoDak

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    Nah just the offended party, plus the slide presentation he gave at the workshop was apparently pretty shoddy. The GIF is in reference to the title, the ladies aren't cutting us out of anything. Now, I'm far too intellectually inadequate to study physics at formal level but I am a lowly bio-chem student.

    The people who study and work in mathematics and science will ultimately be the people who have the interest, skills, and desire to do so. I mean, I guess you technically could enforce some sort of diversity quota system (hmm) but it's going to be of drastic hindrance at the end of the day sans the former.

    The timing of all this is apt:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/science-environment-45655151

    The first female Physics Nobel winner in 55 years. Shocking they were giving them to women that long ago, right? As if a woman wasn't the only person in history to win two of them in separate scientific fields - over a century ago.

    I actually thought Gabriela González warranted a share of it last year for her work with LIGO on the gravitational waves discovery but it's very difficult to argue against the recipients given their decades-long work on the project, particularly when it can only be split between three researchers.
     
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    And on LIGO: You can't tell me this old cis white male didn't deserve it.



    There's few living scientists in the world with a better grasp of the astrophysical and cosmological implications of General Relativity than Kip Thorne. In that sense, he's very much a successor to his doctoral advisor John Wheeler who actually collaborated with an elder Albert Einstein in his later years in America, was responsible for popularizing the term 'black hole' and also had a mind in the Manhattan Project. Only just died in 2008 at the ripe age of 96.

    His work with LIGO was beyond arduous and substantial enough so it was awesome to see him rewarded, particularly due to his humility. He's also got long association with Caltech which is synonymous with JPL as it manages it for NASA and is the institution where the likes of Robert Millikan, Richard Feynman, Murray Gell-Mann, Linus Pauling studied and/or held posts.

    Also penned one of the greatest popular science books ever written.

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    There are some jobs and occupations where we can afford to hire people based on their gender or skin color. Not in the realm of science, though.

    The long-term effects of imposing a "diversity quota" in science, would likely amount to an intellectual castration, not merely a physical one.

    If you want more women in physics then you've got to find a way to make them more motivated about the subject. Lowering the bar is never the answer.
     
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    I had a pretty large class size of like 50 people with only 5-10 girls. It really isn't a stretch to say men built physics, like at all. We did. With that said though women have every right to be physicists if they do so on merit.
     
  10. Swing

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    Got it. I misread you. I have a Mechanical Engineering degree, although I just decided to become a lowly math teacher. And from my limited experience I'd agree that we aren't getting cut out of anything. The attitude of some dudes towards women in math is annoying, although I'll admit that I do tend to make fun of my male students in years when my best students are female (I feel like that's a perfectly effective way to motivate boys to do better).
     
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    little confused by the deal with it gif. he lost his job over that, and CERN has publicly said he is wrong. Are you saying CERN is wrong?
     
  12. NoDak

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    Yea, just having fun. :p

    Sturmia didn't lose his job, he caught an expected suspension for stating the irrefutable obvious at a workshop for "gender and high energy physics" (lol) and it sparked outrage. It was completely unnecessary and pretty hilarious for that reason.

    His grievance seems strictly personal and he claims to have been rejected by the INFN in favor of two female researchers with fewer published papers to their name. I suppose there are plenty of people - who aren't involved in STEM - making outside critiques over the student body and occupation composition in terms of race, gender, sex orient, etc.
     
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    ah, i read that wrong. Now im confused why the other guy who lost his job is brought up.
     
  14. Iceberg Slim

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    The men responsible only did it in hopes of impressing women and getting some ass. Otherwise they would have been home playing video games.

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  15. NoDak

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    No prob, I know it's quite rare in the WR but there's legit no political angle or outrage porn here as a read through my posts ITT would show, I just find the whole thing amusing and timely considering a woman just won a share of the Nobel Prize in the field in the same week.

    The Professor who was forced to resign a few years ago probably did go too far although pretty extreme for such a distinguished researcher. The temperament of women in laboratory work and dealing with criticism is fine for the most part IMO. I don't know why they aren't particularly well represented in physics but it isn't bias, it's just ridiculously abstract. Females have tended to fare much better in the life sciences, particularly microbiology for some reason from what I've seen.
     
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    Lots of physics breakthroughs have been by men suspected to have autism too.
     
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  17. snakedafunky

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    That's still an incredibly stupid thing to say.
    I mean, of course, men built the field of physics because women didn't have the opportunity back in the days.
    Men also build enslaving empires, committed all the crimes against humanity and all the genocides in history were built by men.
     
  18. MadSquabbles500

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    I used to think it was always men too especially back during the early years of nuclear physics. But then you mention that Otto Hahn fella in the other thread. After reading some about him, some females scientists are also mention like Ida Noddack (is that your namesake?). Also apparently Einstein had a christian wife, and the feminists are trying to push her as the real creator of E=mc^2.
     
  19. JonesBones

    JonesBones Excuse my contraflow

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    Big fan of Wheeler and his students. Great teacher. Also influenced Freeman Dyson. Dyson seems like one of his only students to really think crazy like him.
     
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    May I present the winner of this years Nobel prize in physics.

     

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