Law Capitol Rioter Megathread

BFoe said:
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That was the plan for January 6, what are you even talking about?? The plan for that day was to have Pence reject the electors for certain states, and then accept new, fraudulent slates of electors. It‘s like you’ve never read the Eastman Memo.

Saying that was never going to happen is ridiculous. #1, because conspiring to commit a crime is still, in fact, a crime; and #2, it all came down to Pence standing his ground and not participating in the scheme. Our democracy very literally hinged on one fucking guy that day.
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What’s even scarier is that our democracy hinged on Pence asking Dan Quayle if he should certify the election.
 
MusclesMarinara said:
Understood. But wouldn't it be more prudent to:
hold your weapon in a ready but not aimed position
stand 20 feet back from the door in case of breech.
And shout stand back from the door

Firing blindly into a crowd on the other side of a broken window isn't a good look.

Anyway, my tinfoil hat is on. I can't help but feel like the media is doing its best to keep us divided; Whether it's across red and blue or across black and white. I can't really say I blame them because it keeps people tuned in. Tuned in people get exposed to more adds. End stage capitalism wins.
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The politicians are doing it too for votes.

I don't think it's a big deal the way he was aiming at the ready. There were windows, some broken, that he was looking through and there was no blind shooting. The only person shot forced her way past the barricade before she was shot.
 
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jefferz said:
What’s even scarier is that our democracy hinged on Pence asking Dan Quayle if he should certify the election.
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Our system would be a dumb as Dan Quayle if it let the Vice President (President of Senate) have total control on whether or not to certify an election. Fortunately it isn't that dumb and Pence had zero ability to reject electoral votes.

This is all smoke and mirrors.
 
Snubnoze707 said:
There was no chance because there was no mechanism to make it a reality, not just because their wasn't enough force to do it. Pence had NO POWER to do anything other than open envelopes, there was no way to overturn the election results. You guys just keep dodging this fact - or you just lie about it and say Pence could have rejected electors, which he CAN NOT.

Nobody had any guns so your comparison is absurd.
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It was a coup. Pence didn't have the authority to do it but he could have physically done it and created a Constitutional crisis. Are you a MAGA guy? Are you even serious with this or are you being purposely obtuse?
 
LangfordBarrow said:
It was a coup. Pence didn't have the authority to do it but he could have physically done it and created a Constitutional crisis. Are you a MAGA guy? Are you even serious with this or are you being purposely obtuse?
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I'm not a MAGA guy and I didn't vote for Trump in either election, but I'm also not an idiot that is falling for propaganda. That wasn't a coup, that was protest that was allowed to get out of control intentionally in order to create these hysterics about "almost ended democracy!" to gain more powers for the security state, and to keep out a political rival.

If you want to see what a coup looks like, just look at the ones that those congress members fund all over the globe. Jan 6 is a joke in comparison.
 
Whippy McGee said:
So how exactly where these "extremists" going to take down the U.S. Government? Perhaps with the gallows!

They could have hung the Establishment Democrats and Republicans, especially Mike Pence at the gallows they constructed?


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It seems we barely survived as a nation.
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Those people were lemmings, they were sent there by Trump, the way Putin sends waves of meatwalls to the Ukrainian border.
 
Snubnoze707 said:
Our system would be a dumb as Dan Quayle if it let the Vice President (President of Senate) have total control on whether or not to certify an election. Fortunately it isn't that dumb and Pence had zero ability to reject electoral votes.

This is all smoke and mirrors.
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What you're saying is that if he had done it then it would have been overturned by the courts right? Because physically he could have done it right? If he had then Biden would not have been certified by the Constitutional deadline right?
 
Snubnoze707 said:
I'm not a MAGA guy and I didn't vote for Trump in either election, but I'm also not an idiot that is falling for propaganda. That wasn't a coup, that was protest that was allowed to get out of control intentionally in order to create these hysterics about "almost ended democracy!" to gain more powers for the security state, and to keep out a political rival.

If you want to see what a coup looks like, just look at the ones that those congress members fund all over the globe. Jan 6 is a joke in comparison.
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Okay, so it's really the Democrats that allowed this to happen, deep state stuff.... <YeahOKJen>
 
LangfordBarrow said:
What you're saying is that if he had done it then it would have been overturned by the courts right? Because physically he could have done it right? If he had then Biden would not have been certified by the Constitutional deadline right?
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Again, Jan 6 is a formality. No, he couldn't have physically done it. There is nothing physical to do.

How would that even happen? Would protesters point that American Flag Spear at Pence and say "reject those votes or else!". LOL...

Pence had no ability to reject votes, Pence WOULDN'T do it if he could as he hates Trump, the protesters had no ability to get near Pence to somehow force him to do it.

There was ZERO chance of the election result being overturned, whatsoever.
 
Whippy McGee said:
So how exactly where these "extremists" going to take down the U.S. Government? Perhaps with the gallows!

They could have hung the Establishment Democrats and Republicans, especially Mike Pence at the gallows they constructed?


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It seems we barely survived as a nation.
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You're ducking the question. You think all those were coincidences?

I just spelled it out for you.

-trump team publicizes some kraken legal bomb to take back the election. It's not real but it's helping buy him time to exhaust all means.

-election getting certified would put an end to those efforts so stop the steal rally becomes a hail mary attempt to buy more time while trump is begging the likes of pence and others to join the effort.

-it actually does stall the certification for a day but no one is jumping in to help trump so it all goes nowhere.

Legal definitions of these don't depend on how likely they are to achieve their endgame. silly take to have
 
LangfordBarrow said:
Okay, so it's really the Democrats that allowed this to happen, deep state stuff.... <YeahOKJen>
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Why did Nancy Pelosi deny two requests from the Capital Police Captain to get beefed up security? Why was the people that stormed the capitol filled with FBI agents? Yes deep state stuff, clearly. It wasn't just Democrats though.
 
Snubnoze707 said:
Again, Jan 6 is a formality. No, he couldn't have physically done it. There is nothing physical to do.

How would that even happen? Would protesters point that American Flag Spear at Pence and say "reject those votes or else!". LOL...

Pence had no ability to reject votes, Pence WOULDN'T do it if he could as he hates Trump, the protesters had no ability to get near Pence to somehow force him to do it.

There was ZERO chance of the election result being overturned, whatsoever.
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We'll agree to disagree.
 
Snubnoze707 said:
Why did Nancy Pelosi deny two requests from the Capital Police Captain to get beefed up security? Why was the people that stormed the capitol filled with FBI agents? Yes deep state stuff, clearly. It wasn't just Democrats though.
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I couldn't describe it any better myself than to say you have your tinfoil cap on. {<shrug}
 
shockaholic12 said:
You're ducking the question. You think all those were coincidences?

I just spelled it out for you.

-trump team publicizes some kraken legal bomb to take back the election. It's not real but it's helping buy him time to exhaust all means.

-election getting certified would put an end to those efforts so stop the steal rally becomes a hail mary attempt to buy more time while trump is begging the likes of pence and others to join the effort.

-it actually does stall the certification for a day but no one is jumping in to help trump so it all goes nowhere.

Legal definitions of these don't depend on how likely they are to achieve their endgame. silly take to have
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The electors are already certified by officials in each state a month prior to Jan 6. It was already certified, Jan 6 is a ceremonial formality.

These are literally the arguments your side was making prior to Jan 6 when Trump tried to claim Pence could reject electors.

You all conveniently forget that because it doesn't fit your narrative about "almost ending democracy!" nonsense.
 
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