Canelo's power

[PUO3]

Hes a thumper and he can hurt you, especially paired with his counter timing. The damage he does to the body is a good example of what power he has, imo.

He is not in the elite puncher category, and literally no one says he is.

Also, he did hurt Lara. See round 4. It changed the fight.

 

[nac386]

I rank Canelo's power in the same category as every good puncher except Golovkin in the middleweight division. I don't think Lemieux, Quillen, Jacobs, and Andy Lee are substantially more dangerous punchers. They are all good punchers who can knock you out.

 

[Canelo]

I'll be interested to see how GGG's power looks when he isn't able to hit his opponents at will. I'd pick Canelo to KO most of his biggest wins simply because they all have poor defense and like to stand and fight, style is often much more important than raw power.

Unfortunately, outside of Canelo, there's no stand out defensive fighters at 160.

 

[PUO3]

160 is such a great class right now. All these cats just love to trade until someone drops lol. Makes some wildly entertaining fights.

 

[nastyleft]

I thought we all went through this in another thread. Most of us here agree that Canelo has decent, solid power. Nothing over the top Tyson-esque, but enough to get the job done. But where he excels is, in the skillet and RIQ he brings into the ring. He has enough power to put anyone down that doesn't see it coming. And he can set people up pretty well to get hit with stuff they didn't see.
You can call Khan as glassjawed as you want, but anyone from Cotto to GGG would've dropped from that punch Khan took.

 

[nastyleft]

At some point every fighter discussions on forums with a lot of traffic had a lot of posters start doing this:

A fighter is either a murderous puncher or feather fisted.

Glass jawed or iron chinned.

Ducking someone if negotiations broke down.

Boxer= runner.

Fighter= brawler.

1 loss = can.

Former champion still only fighting top guys but losing = journeyman/gatekeeper.

Beat all your mandatories = protecting your record.

Dominating a division = scared to move up.

It's getting really old.

Great post!

 

[nac386]

160 is such a great class right now. All these cats just love to trade until someone drops lol. Makes some wildly entertaining fights.

I've been saying that 160 is my favorite division ever since Canelo went to 155. What other division is as much fun? There are more fun fights to be made at 160 than anywhere probably. Welterweight could be fun, but there are too many issues there.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Stop being pedantic, you know exactly what I mean.

Cotto fought on the back foot for the entire fight, mainly throwing the jab and trying to avoid Canelo's power. Before the fight, you laughed at the idea of him fighting like this.

When you're fighting a bigger guy and are clearly aware of his power, you are going to be much harder to knock out then when you try to bully Manny Pacquiao at 145lbs.

I agree with this. Cotto was the smaller man and had to use more movement. Pacman hurt him walking into punches he didn't see coming. Canelo isn't a murderous puncher but he's turned the lights out enough times to show he has KO power.

 

[windkick]

I think having the intelligence to set up a shot that can cause a KO, is more important that raw power. And Canelo has shown that's what he has, the ability to set up his KO shot by working the body or trying to learn his opponent through out the fight. So his strength is not to walk up to guys and just blast them to shit, it's to box them and look for that shot the other guy doesn't see coming (plus his body shots are a pretty good indicator he has some good power on him as well, even if not elite level power it's still above average imo). His thumping shots have also shown that are strong enough for his opponents to respect him, and that right there says he does have a good amount of pop, even if not elite level power like I said.

That said, I don't recall anyone saying he's fucking Hagler walking around straight lighting motherfuckers up or anything like that. Would be silly if anyone is making him out to be that, and honestly I never hear those type of comments anyway so I don't really get this thread.

 

[1122]

I think Canelo has good power, its just that his accuracy & gameplanning are not good.

 

[1122]

I think Canelo has good power, its just that his accuracy & gameplanning are not good.

 

[Seano]

Canelo has a reputation as big puncher but I'm not convinced it's deserved. Sure's a thick guy with aesthetically pleasing punching mechanics but I haven't seen evidence of his big punching - I've never seen him hurt someone his own size who has a reputation for having a good chin.

Khan has a glass chin as a welterweight.
Kirkland was KOd be the featherfisted Ishida
Angulo had been KOd multiple times in his previous few fights

On the other hand, he couldn't hurt Lara despite Angulo dropping him previously.
And he couldn't dent a shop worn Cotto despite Cotto having been hurt multiple times before by much smaller fighters.

So what exactly is the evidence that Canelo is a big puncher at Middleweight?

I actually don't think he's the huge puncher people make him out to be either. He's certainly not feather fisted, but some people describe the guy like he's Julian Jackson.

 

[BennyST]

Who's making Canelo out to be a vicious one hitter? let's see some names to prove you aren't just making stuff up.

I can't even be bothered to respond to half of the crap in this thread.

But but Angulo dropped Lara twice, it doesn't matter that his face got destroyed in the process, he dropped him!

Cotto got knocked down by smaller guys before! It doesn't matter that he ran away from Canelo and backed off everytime he got touched, he survived!

Settle down champ lol. It's really not a big deal. Calm yourself before you pull something. I'm not slagging Canelo off. He's a great fighter and I really like him. However, I've seen over the years that many consider him a one punch KO guy when I myself think he's more of an accumulation counter puncher. That's all, not a big deal. Doesn't take anything away from everything he's done. Take your chill pills kid.

 

[parrythehate]

Well, where is op? One cannot start an argument, and not at least check it, once. One cannot not claim something where people have not claim themselves either. One cannot assume what is not true, "Canelo has devastating power", and post it as truth to vent to people of his hate towards a fighter who probably is swimming in a pool of money right now.

An intelligent person, a lover of fighting and an objective person can observe that where Alvarez excels is his counters and his fight intelligence. The thing is that when he counters they hurt, he punches hard during counters, feint lead punches, and when he is trying to open the guard of an opponent. I firmly believe that the majority of the people know that his punching power is not Golovkin tier. But his strategy and technique are good. Another thing that most observant, intelligent and fight lovers can agree is his LACK OF MOVEMENT. Any who, if someone wants to bash on a fighter, dont, it solves nothing. THIS PULL COUNTER WAS DONE WITH AN UPPERCUT

 

[Shoemaker]

Despite your record of being an odd (read shitty, but that might just be me misreading shit) poster, you're not wholly wrong. Canelo doesn't deserve the reputation of a massive puncher. He's a good puncher. Honestly, at MW, I don't think he's much more than that. However, against more stationary fighters, he does put his punches together very well.

Thing is, no one worth their salt is saying he's a monstrous puncher. Just that he has a good punch.

I didn't see a single reasonable poster say that Canelo has disastrous power after the Khan fight. But this "Canelo's chin is overrated" talk is just as suspect. And that's something someone in this thread actually said.

I actually don't think he's the huge puncher people make him out to be either. He's certainly not feather fisted, but some people describe the guy like he's Julian Jackson.

You mean GGG? I haven't heard Canelo be compared to The Hawk.

 

[RascalBird]

I actually don't think Golovkin has devastating power either. He's a big puncher for sure, but his knockouts aren't of the highlight reel variety. I think he sets up his shots well, much like Canelo. Comparisons to Julian Jackson are insane. I think Jackson carried legit LHW power.

I think Canelo/GGG is as close to a pick em fight as you are going to see at the top levels of boxing. It's going to do a million buys in my opinion.

Who would everyone like to see on the undercard?

 

[parrythehate]

I actually don't think Golovkin has devastating power either. He's a big puncher for sure, but his knockouts aren't of the highlight reel variety. I think he sets up his shots well, much like Canelo. Comparisons to Julian Jackson are insane. I think Jackson carried legit LHW power.

I think Canelo/GGG is as close to a pick em fight as you are going to see at the top levels of boxing. It's going to do a million buys in my opinion.

Who would everyone like to see on the undercard?

Chocolatito, mobile and evasive fighters (we need some variety), and up and coming eastern european/eurasian fighters.

 

[RascalBird]

I'd like to see Beterbiev if he is recovered, and Roman would be incredible to see as well. Good call.

I think whomever wins GGG/Canelo is going to be the king of the hill after the fight. Golovkin needs to win much more though. Canelo has close to ten years left in his prime in my opinion. The guy has taken very little punishment, and I truly think Golovkin "let's guys hit him" because his defense is just average. I think he uses his forehead to block more jabs than his gloves. If he tries that against Canelo it's not going to work.

 

[Shoemaker]

Jermall/J-Rock
Gonzales/Estrada 2 would be good and probably something you can sell. Estrada's had some good wins, though I think Roman needs to move up to be challenged.
Maybe Lemieux/Lee or Saunders? I'd be alright seeing David fight either guy, and Davids going to make it exciting even if that's bad for him.
If Crawford gets past Postol which I presume he will, getting him on there would be great. Though it's going to be tricky taking him for a PPV headliner to a UC fighter.

Obviously there are other big fights around the corner that would be ideal to be on the same card, but Ward/Kovalev is going to get it's own PPV.

 

[Seano]

He is not in the elite puncher category, and literally no one says he is.

A lot of people tout him as a big puncher.