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Canelo has a reputation as big puncher but I'm not convinced it's deserved. Sure's a thick guy with aesthetically pleasing punching mechanics but I haven't seen evidence of his big punching - I've never seen him hurt someone his own size who has a reputation for having a good chin.

Khan has a glass chin as a welterweight.
Kirkland was KOd be the featherfisted Ishida
Angulo had been KOd multiple times in his previous few fights

On the other hand, he couldn't hurt Lara despite Angulo dropping him previously.
And he couldn't dent a shop worn Cotto despite Cotto having been hurt multiple times before by much smaller fighters.

So what exactly is the evidence that Canelo is a big puncher at Middleweight?
 
Despite your record of being an odd (read shitty, but that might just be me misreading shit) poster, you're not wholly wrong. Canelo doesn't deserve the reputation of a massive puncher. He's a good puncher. Honestly, at MW, I don't think he's much more than that. However, against more stationary fighters, he does put his punches together very well.
 
I was impressed by him knocking out Baldomir and turning Trout into playdoh with one shot but I think he's one of those guys like Chavez Jr who does a lot of his damage because he's bigger then his opponents. Which is perfectly fine. If you can drain and hydrate back up bigger then your opponent good for you but I don't see Canelo as some devastating puncher. In the long run that is probably better for him though because he is forced to learn how to box and move and defend and win rounds instead of ending up like Mattesye or Bailey who can't win without a ko.
 
The Can Opener said:
I was impressed by him knocking out Baldomir and turning Trout into playdoh with one shot but I think he's one of those guys like Chavez Jr who does a lot of his damage because he's bigger then his opponents. Which is perfectly fine. If you can drain and hydrate back up bigger then your opponent good for you but I don't see Canelo as some devastating puncher. In the long run that is probably better for him though because he is forced to learn how to box and move and defend and win rounds instead of ending up like Mattesye or Bailey who can't win without a ko.
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I don't necessarily agree with the sentiment, but him and Trout were of a comparable size and weight. Canelo has always been a boxer puncher who excels when his man comes to him, so I'm not too concerned about his performances against opponent he has to go and find.
 
stuff jones said:
Canelo has a reputation as big puncher but I'm not convinced it's deserved. Sure's a thick guy with aesthetically pleasing punching mechanics but I haven't seen evidence of his big punching - I've never seen him hurt someone his own size who has a reputation for having a good chin.

Khan has a glass chin as a welterweight.
Kirkland was KOd be the featherfisted Ishida
Angulo had been KOd multiple times in his previous few fights

On the other hand, he couldn't hurt Lara despite Angulo dropping him previously.
And he couldn't dent a shop worn Cotto despite Cotto having been hurt multiple times before by much smaller fighters.

So what exactly is the evidence that Canelo is a big puncher at Middleweight?
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He's definitely a big puncher. Maybe it's not Julian Jackson type power but he knows how to place it. If he faces GGG it should be thrilling. I can see both guys hitting the canvas multiple times.
 
Canelo said:
He's been phased by one shot in his entire career when he was a weight drained kid, recovered instantly too.

Please elaborate.
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Get off Sherdog Canelo, don't you have a triple G to duck?
 
Ballsaque said:
Get off Sherdog Canelo, don't you have a triple G to duck?
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Didn't you hear? GGG is going to defend his title against Glen Tapia next.

Apparently Ward ducked him and Canelo will retire insted of facing him.
 
stuff jones said:
Canelo has a reputation as big puncher but I'm not convinced it's deserved. Sure's a thick guy with aesthetically pleasing punching mechanics but I haven't seen evidence of his big punching - I've never seen him hurt someone his own size who has a reputation for having a good chin.

Khan has a glass chin as a welterweight.
Kirkland was KOd be the featherfisted Ishida
Angulo had been KOd multiple times in his previous few fights

On the other hand, he couldn't hurt Lara despite Angulo dropping him previously.
And he couldn't dent a shop worn Cotto despite Cotto having been hurt multiple times before by much smaller fighters.

So what exactly is the evidence that Canelo is a big puncher at Middleweight?
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I've never understood it either. He's got decent power, but he's more of an accumulation puncher for sure that lands his hurtful punches through sharp counters more than straight power. Certainly not the vicious power puncher he's made out to be. He's had some good KO's, mostly over guys smaller, older or lacking in the chin department, but has struggled to put everyone else away and show one punch power.

I think he's your standard boxer/puncher type with decent power whose skill and the way he fights make it seem as though he leans more toward a power puncher, but from everything I've seen he's not that great a puncher in terms of pure power. It's more about how he sets up his combos etc that allow him to land his big punches. If he was a proper power puncher he'd have knocked out a lot more guys with the shots he lands.
 
Who's making Canelo out to be a vicious one hitter? let's see some names to prove you aren't just making stuff up.

I can't even be bothered to respond to half of the crap in this thread.

But but Angulo dropped Lara twice, it doesn't matter that his face got destroyed in the process, he dropped him!

Cotto got knocked down by smaller guys before! It doesn't matter that he ran away from Canelo and backed off everytime he got touched, he survived!
 
I think it'd be more accurate to say that the extent to which Canelo's punching power has helped his career is exaggerated. Sure, he's not a giant middleweight puncher, but he is a good enough boxer to not rely on punching power anyway.

Does anyone really claim that Canelo is a murderous puncher? I don't see it often.
 
Canelo said:
Cotto got knocked down by smaller guys before! It doesn't matter that he ran away from Canelo and backed off everytime he got touched, he survived!
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Cotto did not run from Canelo, he boxed Canelo.

Cotto threw 629 punches, Canelo threw 484. He couldn't land good shots, but to say he ran is just wrong.
 
At some point every fighter discussions on forums with a lot of traffic had a lot of posters start doing this:

A fighter is either a murderous puncher or feather fisted.

Glass jawed or iron chinned.

Ducking someone if negotiations broke down.

Boxer= runner.

Fighter= brawler.

1 loss = can.

Former champion still only fighting top guys but losing = journeyman/gatekeeper.

Beat all your mandatories = protecting your record.

Dominating a division = scared to move up.

It's getting really old.
 
nac386 said:
Cotto did not run from Canelo, he boxed Canelo.

Cotto threw 629 punches, Canelo threw 484. He couldn't land good shots, but to say he ran is just wrong.
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Stop being pedantic, you know exactly what I mean.

Cotto fought on the back foot for the entire fight, mainly throwing the jab and trying to avoid Canelo's power. Before the fight, you laughed at the idea of him fighting like this.

When you're fighting a bigger guy and are clearly aware of his power, you are going to be much harder to knock out then when you try to bully Manny Pacquiao at 145lbs.
 
I have not heard Canelo being described as a murderous puncher.

He is described as a boxer puncher with above average power who rips the body really well
 
Canelo said:
Stop being pedantic, you know exactly what I mean.

Cotto fought on the back foot for the entire fight, mainly throwing the jab and trying to avoid Canelo's power. Before the fight, you laughed at the idea of him fighting like this.

When you're fighting a bigger guy and are clearly aware of his power, you are going to be much harder to knock out then when you try to bully Manny Pacquiao at 145lbs.
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It's not really pedantic to distinguish between running and boxing. That is the same type of line we get on casual boxing fans for when they say Floyd runs.
 
nac386 said:
It's not really pedantic to distinguish between running and boxing. That is the same type of line we get on casual boxing fans for when they say Floyd runs.
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Whether he was running, fighting defensively, fighting off the back foot or whatever, it doesn't change the point. Cotto tried a hit and run job and it didn't work. Compared to his usual style, he moved backwards a lot more than usual. My post was full with hyperbole if you hadn't noticed?

It's just a pointless way to derail the actual point, which is that Cotto fought very defensively and was wary of Canelo's power, which is why it was much harder for Canelo to hurt him.
 
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