News Canelo vs Crawford September 13th

Who wins?

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that Indian said:
Fair enough, this is definitely not a hill to die on for me. I'm questioning Spence after the two crashes and his lifestyle. I for one didn't think he looked good against Ugas, Mikey, Porter or Danny, but to each their own. I was looking for the destroyer who smashed Algieri, Ocampo and Brook and was very surprised he decided to jab and box Mikey. He was being stalked by Danny in the 12th. He thought he lost his damn teeth when Ugas jabbed him.

But I also think that if the version of Spence that tore through Brook showed up, he still loses. More competitively and by points, I think, but you're right Crawford proved to be so much better.

My main thing is, take away the Spence win and Crawford's next best win is Porter. Solid resume, and HOF worthy but hardly the work of an ATG, which he is widely touted to be. I think he would be a ridiculous underdog against Canelo if the Spence fight never happened. He is going to a small underdog come fight night. And to me, most of his aura is still based on that one, amazing win. I wonder if that performance is distorting a more accurate read of where Crawford really stands. I think we'll find out in September.
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Spence was quite inactive going into the Crawford fight as well. He went 15 months, 16 months and then 15 again between his last few fights.
 
Want Bud but just dont see him getting past a highly motivated (on this one) Canelo and absorbing those shots well
 
that Indian said:
My main thing is, take away the Spence win and Crawford's next best win is Porter. Solid resume, and HOF worthy but hardly the work of an ATG, which he is widely touted to be. I think he would be a ridiculous underdog against Canelo if the Spence fight never happened. He is going to a small underdog come fight night. And to me, most of his aura is still based on that one, amazing win. I wonder if that performance is distorting a more accurate read of where Crawford really stands. I think we'll find out in September.
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honestly, i don't think that's fair either. he took gamboa's zero, and was obviously the king at 135. he took postol's zero, whipped the undefeated indongo to unifiy 140, took horn's zero after the pacman fight, beat porter and beat spence to unify 147. being the man at 135, 140 and 147 while knocking out champs there is a historic feat. now he also took out a champ at 154.

i criticised him for years for dragging his feet with big fights. while spence was fighting killers at WW, bud was picking up his leftovers or clowning jeff horn. there is a legit argument to be made against bud for trying to time his opponents and waiting them out until they look bad. that said, he simply looked spectacular every time. even in fights where it looked like he was slipping, he turned it up and destroyed his opponents.

now i agree, his resume isn't jack shit when compared to someone like canelo, but rarely anyone's is, so that's hardly a fair comparison.
 
randomg1t said:
honestly, i don't think that's fair either. he took gamboa's zero, and was obviously the king at 135. he took postol's zero, whipped the undefeated indongo to unifiy 140, took horn's zero after the pacman fight, beat porter and beat spence to unify 147. being the man at 135, 140 and 147 while knocking out champs there is a historic feat. now he also took out a champ at 154.

i criticised him for years for dragging his feet with big fights. while spence was fighting killers at WW, bud was picking up his leftovers or clowning jeff horn. there is a legit argument to be made against bud for trying to time his opponents and waiting them out until they look bad. that said, he simply looked spectacular every time. even in fights where it looked like he was slipping, he turned it up and destroyed his opponents.

now i agree, his resume isn't jack shit when compared to someone like canelo, but rarely anyone's is, so that's hardly a fair comparison.
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but I'm not sure what you don't think is fair? I agree with your assessment here.
 
that Indian said:
but I'm not sure what you don't think is fair? I agree with your assessment here.
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well i guess we see the same thing differently, to me the resume i listed isn't thin if we take out spence. i think bud has had an extremely impressive career, and has been very consistent.
 
randomg1t said:
well i guess we see the same thing differently, to me the resume i listed isn't thin if we take out spence. i think bud has had an extremely impressive career, and has been very consistent.
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Bud's resume isn't thin. I mean he is 2-div undisputed, no matter how you slice it, that is a HOF resume. Despite that, I can't help but feel he has underachieved in his career--particularly when you look at his abilities. If he is as good as his Spence win seems to indicate, he should have a resume as deep as Mayweather, Canelo.

The other thing I was saying is that since he beat Hank Lundy, most boxing fans knew he was the real deal BUT much of what we are saying about his preternatural abilities is predicated off that one, whirlwind performance.
 
that Indian said:
This I'm not sure about. Sure, Crawford likes to coast, but in a 50-50 fight I think he'll want to come on strong and Canelo is known to fade a bit. But if Crawford doesn't take risks, he will lose. The same is not true for Canelo.
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maybe but...


i get a feeling crawford is all about money
throughout his career, he's never been about fighting the top killers in their prime
and neither guy has looked great the past couple years.
bud has a significant 10cm reach advantage to canelo. he also moves his feet better.

simply put, i think crawford thinks he can outjab canelo.

the most intriguing part of this fight is the jump in wgt classes. logic tells me that there's
no way bud can beat a bigger guy like canelo. but when u break it down, this style matchup favors bud in so many ways.
 
Bob's completely right there, CAnelo hasn't looked particularly good in years. Also god damn dude retire already, you're 93
 
SuwoopBangin said:
Bob's completely right there, CAnelo hasn't looked particularly good in years. Also god damn dude retire already, you're 93
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Makes it more even.
You go back and watch the Canelo that smashed BJS and hed probably steamroll Crawford in epic fashion.
 
Mujeriego said:
Makes it more even.
You go back and watch the Canelo that smashed BJS and hed probably steamroll Crawford in epic fashion.
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Canelo lost nearly every round until the finish
 
Canelo will need to up his workrate here, I think.

Canelo is a guy who knows how to win rounds. People overanalyze his fights at times but the truth is that when he lets his hands go, he throws good punches, the kind judges like to see. The kind that excites the crowd. Unless he gets KO'd he'll never be in a fight thats not close on the official cards because of that.
 
after seein the madrimov fight again, i can’t see bud doing much to canelo. i think it comes down to a couple things… how canelo will fight. does the wgt jump play such a huge factor that canelo can just walk down bud? are bud’s punches effective? or is each guy just happy not taking risk, winnin on points and getting paid?
 
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