Law Canadian PM Trudeau: "It will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer, or import handguns"

Fuck black rifle coffee. Sounds like shit anyway. If that’s the kinda casualty you can’t afford in keeping a safer society, it’s pretty laughable in contrast with those that Americans are suffering and have suffered to keep theirs less safe. What a hitler-esque atrocity you have suffered lol

I think you're missing the point. If the level of thought that goes into laws concerning a fairly major issue (right to own a firearm - as someone with significant farm experience, this is an important one) is literally "Ok, this is an issue we can win on politically. Unfortunately, we don't know anything about it. Let's just ban everything with the word 'rifle' in it and appease the voters who are most ignorant on the subject" I think that is a tremendous issue in governance. Any government that would rush to enact laws with so little thought behind them, on just about anything important, should raise all kind of red flags.
 
I mean at least try to argue a point but even you know it is bogus. I’m not against gun ownership, just the sick culture that fetishizes them. People like you who tie ownership to masculinity are part of the problem. It is literally just a tool, stop treating it like it is something more. Edit: sorry I responded to the wrong person lmao

I am not arguing with you. I am agreeing with you. This is what most people do when faced with gunfire...... pull a stupid face, just as the video shows.
 
I am not arguing with you. I am agreeing with you. This is what most people do when faced with gunfire...... pull a stupid face, just as the video shows.
Yeah I edited my post. Had a few people respond within 15 minutes and responsded to the wrong poster. Should probably stop posting from the phone
 
Lol you're comparing Canada to Mexico?

Are you saying Canadian criminals are too fucking nice and stupid to acquire guns, like the criminals in Mexico do? Or is your opinion this way because Canada is a "white country" and Mexico is full of brown people?

Criminals all have 1 thing in common, they don't follow laws that the rest of us do. You really think Canadian criminals won't easily obtain weapons in the US?
 
I think you're missing the point. If the level of thought that goes into laws concerning a fairly major issue (right to own a firearm - as someone with significant farm experience, this is an important one) is literally "Ok, this is an issue we can win on politically. Unfortunately, we don't know anything about it. Let's just ban everything with the word 'rifle' in it and appease the voters who are most ignorant on the subject" I think that is a tremendous issue in governance. Any government that would rush to enact laws with so little thought behind them, on just about anything important, should raise all kind of red flags.
When it’s an alarming matter where lives are potentially at stake, there’s a perspective where it is understandable. As a farmer you require the use of a firearm to perform your business?
 
Well... like everything, guns do have a "shelf life." But it's not a decade. Try a century.

And we also live right up against a pretty free-flowing and largely unguarded the border with a nation that is home to 400,000,000+ guns.
That's a problem. Also Gun manufacturing has come a long ways and much easier.., there will always be a way to get a gun regardless of what those totalitarian laws enacted by a far left ideology slant.
It's actually a govt virtue signaling of the lowest order, the "virtue" is used as a weapon and the legislation changes nothing-
, it's not virtuous, it's cowardice.
 
Fuck black rifle coffee. Sounds like shit anyway. If that’s the kinda casualty you can’t afford in keeping a safer society, it’s pretty laughable in contrast with those that Americans are suffering and have suffered to keep theirs less safe. What a hitler-esque atrocity you have suffered lol

I don't own a gun and probably never will. I don't like to hunt and a live in a safe area. I know how to operate firearms and was also in the Army, but guns don't give me boner. In a perfect world guns wouldn't exist, but the world isn't perfect, so they do. The damage is already done. Criminals will get there hands on them anyway, so law biding citizens need to have the right to arm themselves. While Canada is far from Nazi Germany banning hand guns is still an authoritarian move.
 
I don't own a gun and probably never will. I don't like to hunt and a live in a safe area. I know how to operate firearms and was also in the Army, but guns don't give me boner. In a perfect world guns wouldn't exist, but the world isn't perfect, so they do. The damage is already done. Criminals will get there hands on them anyway, so law biding citizens need to have the right to arm themselves. While Canada is far from Nazi Germany banning hand guns is still an authoritarian move.
Not sure what you’re reading to draw your conclusions but everywhere I have looked for my entire life guns have been used primarily for aggression, not defense.

i see a lot more people walking around with guns than body armor. Also a fact worth noting.
 
When it’s an alarming matter where lives are potentially at stake, there’s a perspective where it is understandable. As a farmer you require the use of a firearm to perform your business?

Ok. Could you outline that "perspective" you're talking about? Like, give it clear boundaries, because we could apply that reasoning far more broadly if we were serious about saving lives. Does it apply to drug legislation? Automobile legislation? Legislation related to sugary drinks, bad diet, and lack of exercise? You see, when you talk about an "alarming issue" and where "lives are potentially at stake" here is what Canada's leading causes of death actually looks like:

Leading-causes-of-death-in-Canada-2005.png


The only way that firearm deaths could even factor into the top ten if it were suicides. And you know what's funny about those other things? If someone came in and said something so incredibly short-sighted as "When it’s an alarming matter where lives are potentially at stake, there’s a perspective where it is understandable" concerning instituting poorly thought out laws to save lives there are a lot of ways Canadian lawmakers could - and I assume you believe should, since these are far bigger problems? - we could start to crack down on all sorts of things to save far more lives than the proposed changes to Canadian gun laws would.

The problem is, people don't really get the scope of the problem. According to the CBC, our notably left leaning state-funded media, here is Canada gun death stats from 2000 to 2016:

"In total, suicides accounted for 9,919 of the 13,168 gun deaths in Canada from 2000 to 2016."

Canada gun facts: Here are the latest stats on firearm deaths, injuries and crime | CBC News

That's over the course of 16 years. If you include suicides, that's under 1000 per year. If you exclude suicides, that's, like 200 something gun deaths in Canada per year - in a country of around 40,000,000,000 people. Contrast that with something like, say, car accidents, and you get around 2900 per year, not every 16 years - and that's not even our top cause of death, by a longshot. Again, if you want to take the stance of "When it’s an alarming matter where lives are potentially at stake, there’s a perspective where it is understandable" there are death numbers in Canada that are far, far more alarming than gun deaths. Should we start legislating things concerning them as thoughtlessly as I showed our current government wants to legislate gun laws? Or are you literally enabling politicians cashing in on an all but unthinking moral panic by adopting this line of reasoning, probably leading to bad laws which don't do what people think they did because nobody took the time to actually consider the issue?

As for the second question, yes, and this is the type of absolutely wanton ignorance which leads to such a misunderstanding on the use of guns as tools. Any small farmer who has livestock, especially in Canada which has a lot of wilderness, is going to have to deal with wild animals interacting with the livestock. A gun is tremendously important for that.
 
Ok. Could you outline that "perspective" you're talking about? Like, give it clear boundaries, because we could apply that reasoning far more broadly if we were serious about saving lives. Does it apply to drug legislation? Automobile legislation? Legislation related to sugary drinks, bad diet, and lack of exercise? You see, when you talk about an "alarming issue" and where "lives are potentially at stake" here is what Canada's leading causes of death actually looks like:

Leading-causes-of-death-in-Canada-2005.png


The only way that firearm deaths could even factor into the top ten if it were suicides. And you know what's funny about those other things? If someone came in and said something so incredibly short-sighted as "When it’s an alarming matter where lives are potentially at stake, there’s a perspective where it is understandable" concerning instituting poorly thought out laws to save lives there are a lot of ways Canadian lawmakers could - and I assume you believe should, since these are far bigger problems? - we could start to crack down on all sorts of things to save far more lives than the proposed changes to Canadian gun laws would.

The problem is, people don't really get the scope of the problem. According to the CBC, our notably left leaning state-funded media, here is Canada gun death stats from 2000 to 2016:

"In total, suicides accounted for 9,919 of the 13,168 gun deaths in Canada from 2000 to 2016."

Canada gun facts: Here are the latest stats on firearm deaths, injuries and crime | CBC News

That's over the course of 16 years. If you include suicides, that's under 1000 per year. If you exclude suicides, that's, like 200 something gun deaths in Canada per year - in a country of around 40,000,000,000 people. Contrast that with something like, say, car accidents, and you get around 2900 per year, not every 16 years - and that's not even our top cause of death, by a longshot. Again, if you want to take the stance of "When it’s an alarming matter where lives are potentially at stake, there’s a perspective where it is understandable" there are death numbers in Canada that are far, far more alarming than gun deaths. Should we start legislating things concerning them as thoughtlessly as I showed our current government wants to legislate gun laws? Or are you literally enabling politicians cashing in on an all but unthinking moral panic by adopting this line of reasoning, probably leading to bad laws which don't do what people think they did because nobody took the time to actually consider the issue?

As for the second question, yes, and this is the type of absolutely wanton ignorance which leads to such a misunderstanding on the use of guns as tools. Any small farmer who has livestock, especially in Canada which has a lot of wilderness, is going to have to deal with wild animals interacting with the livestock. A gun is tremendously important for that.
Yea that sounds good. Better laws regulating quality of food would be great.

people shouldn’t be allowed to serve people shit sandwiches even if some people are stupid enough to buy them. No need to exploit that.

I don’t have all day to read graphs forwarded by anonymous strangers on radical political forums advocating for weapons. I’m happy you have a good representative.

I just drop in here to remind myself what people I don’t associate with are saying in the privacy of their cars during bouts of road rage.
 
When it’s an alarming matter where lives are potentially at stake, there’s a perspective where it is understandable. As a farmer you require the use of a firearm to perform your business?

Not too informed on farm living eh sonny?
 
Yea that sounds good. Better laws regulating quality of food would be great.

people shouldn’t be allowed to serve people shit sandwiches even if some people are stupid enough to buy them. No need to exploit that.

Ok, I'm glad that we're clear. If your position is increasingly nanny-state type control over personal decisions, then I appreciate your honest about it.
 
Are you saying Canadian criminals are too fucking nice and stupid to acquire guns, like the criminals in Mexico do? Or is your opinion this way because Canada is a "white country" and Mexico is full of brown people?

Criminals all have 1 thing in common, they don't follow laws that the rest of us do. You really think Canadian criminals won't easily obtain weapons in the US?

I can confidently say that Mexican criminals are a cut above our local ones in organization and planning.
 
Ok, I'm glad that we're clear. If your position is increasingly nanny-state type control over personal decisions, then I appreciate your honest about it.
If we’re going to be trying to murder each other over who gets to eat the worst shit sandwich and pay for it, perhaps a nanny figure is necessary.

until people brighten up a lawless utopia isn’t quite possible.

Are you saying you wanna defund the police?
 
When unarmed men have problems, they have to call other men armed with guns to help them.
When men armed with guns have problems, they don't have to call other men to help them.

So, which one of the only two types of men in the world are you?

I haven’t had to be either yet. I got a 5 iron ready to dome anyone who fucks around though does that count as armed?
 
What good ol' days? There are hundreds of millions living it today, all over the world.

You literally had no idea why a farmer would need a gun. At this point I'd probably refrain from offering opinions on anything.
Please tell me about your Ar and how it’s only defense against feral pigs. I love that clip.
 
Please tell me about your Ar and how it’s only defense against feral pigs. I love that clip.

I don't own any guns. I'm in Canada. Not sure if I'm allowed or not, will check the recent reports.

Source on that feral pig problem we've got up here? Also any data on rogue farmers lighting up people with ARs?

<Huh2>
 
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