Law Canadian PM Trudeau: "It will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer, or import handguns"

[10000yearsold]

I don't own any guns. I'm in Canada. Not sure if I'm allowed or not, will check the recent reports.

Source on that feral pig problem we've got up here? Also any data on rogue farmers lighting up people with ARs?

Sounds good. Im so happy to hear of your fortune.

I’m not going strolling south of the mason-Dixon line to gather that data.

 

[SammyPops]

What’s considered ‘conservative’ in CANadia these days..?

disagreeing with Trudy, our dictator, is considered conservative and dangerous, illegal sometimes too, such as donating to the trucker convoy.

 

[Steve-French]

Not sure what you’re reading to draw your conclusions but everywhere I have looked for my entire life guns have been used primarily for aggression, not defense.

i see a lot more people walking around with guns than body armor. Also a fact worth noting.

Jesus Christ.... Never mind dude.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

disagreeing with Trudy, our dictator, is considered conservative and dangerous, illegal sometimes too, such as donating to the trucker convoy.

When I 1st started reading about what they were doing to people (freezing bank accounts for example) I flat out didn’t believe it lol.. with recent human history and government oppression, how do people see shit like this happening yet still support the government doing it..?


I mean, what do you think that kind of aggression from a government leads to as time goes on?

 

[Fake Doctor]

If we’re going to be trying to murder each other over who gets to eat the worst shit sandwich and pay for it, perhaps a nanny figure is necessary.

until people brighten up a lawless utopia isn’t quite possible.

Are you saying you wanna defund the police?

First paragraph, I have no idea what you're talking about?

Second paragraph, why are you talking about a "lawless utopia" to a guy who is quite clear that he supports significant gun laws? That's obviously not something I suggested.

Third paragraph, could you explain the reasoning as to how you even thought to ask this question? It has come from way out of left field.

 

[Greta Thunberg]

I haven’t had to be either yet. I got a 5 iron ready to dome anyone who fucks around though does that count as armed?

It counts as - Not nearly armed well enough for the real world:







But, you do you:

 

[SKYNET]

everywhere I have looked for my entire life guns have been used primarily for aggression, not defense.

Not sure what you’re reading to draw your conclusions

 

[12ga.]

Americans are more scared. I’ve noticed here that a lot of Americans are just very scared people. Always afraid of what’s looming in the dark. Always afraid of what might happen, which neighbor might be a bad guy.

A society filled with fear.

Not without merit. See crime stats not to mention lose your job cant get health care. We keep like 5 million homeless littering our streets as a daily reminder what happens to you if you dont hustle

 

[Fake Doctor]

When I 1st started reading about what they were doing to people (freezing bank accounts for example) I flat out didn’t believe it lol.. with recent human history and government oppression, how do people see shit like this happening yet still support the government doing it..?


I mean, what do you think that kind of aggression from a government leads to as time goes on?

You know what's really nuts? After cutting of the use of the Emergencies Act to do shit which should terrify anyone, even his most ardent supporters, who had the good sense to ask "Couldn't anyone just follow this playbook to crack down on any protest they don't particularly like," Trudeau conducted a probe into the use of the Emergencies Act. The probe focused on the protestors and the police - but not the government. The state funded media, the CBC, put up headline after headline about the probe, pointing out that the government was probing into the use of the Emergencies Act - but was pretty opaque about the fact that they didn't probe into their own role in it. The end result? Most Canadians think the government had a probe into the use of the act and found nothing wrong with the government's use of it - but the reality is, they didn't even look.

Personally though, I'm past the point of believing that the people who support the guy would even care. Protestors bad? Hell, why not deport that basket of deplorables. As Trudeau said, not long ago, people like that
“do not believe in science, who are often misogynists, often racists, too; it is a sect, a small group, but who are taking up space, and here we have to make a choice, as a leader, as a country,” and he asks if Canada should “tolerate these people.” This guy has stoked the divisions in Canada to the point where one in four Canadians think people who don't take the vaccine should do jail time. This is the most divisive Prime Minister in decades, and I have so, so much trouble not understanding how people can't see how bad he is for Canada... Then again, the guy thinks Canada is the world's "first postnational state" and "There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada" - one might even suspect that Canada, as a unified, discrete political body, isn't really something he's interested in.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

i cant make threads cause i got dubbed for posting a link to google maps, but i guess i'll just put this here.

Canada announces decriminalization plan for drug users in B.C.

VANCOUVER — British Columbians who possess up to 2.5 grams of illicit drugs for personal use will not be arrested or charged starting early next year as part of the province's request for an exemption from Canada's drug laws following a record number of overdose deaths.

The three-year exemption effective Jan. 31 will apply to drug users 18 and over and include opioids, cocaine, methamphetamine and MDMA, also known as ecstasy.

Carolyn Bennett, the federal minister of mental health and additions, said granting the exemption request is a significant policy change and the first step in much needed bold action to slow the overdose crisis.

“This is not legalization. We have not taken this decision lightly," she said.

"And with it comes great responsibility for the health, safety and well-being of the people of British Columbia and is a template for other jurisdictions across Canada."


The drugs will also not be seized from those found in possession of under the 2.5-gram threshold.

The allowable amount of illegal substances falls short of the 4.5 grams requested by B.C., that was already deemed too low by some drug-user groups that have criticized the province for failing to adequately consult them.

B.C. will become the first jurisdiction in North America to lift prohibitions on possession of small amounts of so-called hard drugs. In 2020 Oregon decriminalized such possession, but the drugs were still subject to seizure, and those in possession faced a US$100 fine.

B.C. submitted an application to the federal government last November asking for an exemption to the drug laws as part of a public health approach to the overdose crisis, which has killed nearly 10,000 people since an overdose emergency was declared in 2016.

Bennett's B.C. counterpart, Sheila Malcolmson said the approval from the federal government is a major step in changing how people view addiction and drug use in the province.

She said shame and fear have kept people from accessing the care they need, while the concern of being criminalized has led many people to hide their addiction and use drugs alone.

"And using alone can mean dying alone, particularly in this climate of tragically increased illicit drug toxicity," she said.

B.C. provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said the exemption is a vital step to keeping people alive and helping them connect to the health and social supports they need.

"By removing the fear and shame of drug use, we will be able to remove barriers that prevent people from accessing harm reduction services and treatment programs," Henry said in a statement.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published May 31, 2022.

https://www.delta-optimist.com/nati...inalization-plan-for-drug-users-in-bc-5424596


ahh yes. the vital gram of making sure people are alive, just give them some ecstasy!

 

[10000yearsold]

First paragraph, I have no idea what you're talking about?

Second paragraph, why are you talking about a "lawless utopia" to a guy who is quite clear that he supports significant gun laws? That's obviously not something I suggested.

Third paragraph, could you explain the reasoning as to how you even thought to ask this question? It has come from way out of left field.

You interpreted what I had written to say that I want us to “nannied” by further expansion of law making. The term nanny to me indicated a condescension to the idea of these laws as being excessive an coddling as a nanny would be perceived to be for an adult.

since you took my preference for anti-firearm laws as seemingly negative and overbearing I was curious, since you seemed to prefer less laws, if perhaps that meant you’d like to defund the police so they might be less enforced.

 

[Fake Doctor]

i cant make threads cause i got dubbed for posting a link to google maps, but i guess i'll just put this here.

Canada announces decriminalization plan for drug users in B.C.

VANCOUVER — British Columbians who possess up to 2.5 grams of illicit drugs for personal use will not be arrested or charged starting early next year as part of the province's request for an exemption from Canada's drug laws following a record number of overdose deaths.

The three-year exemption effective Jan. 31 will apply to drug users 18 and over and include opioids, cocaine, methamphetamine and MDMA, also known as ecstasy.

Carolyn Bennett, the federal minister of mental health and additions, said granting the exemption request is a significant policy change and the first step in much needed bold action to slow the overdose crisis.

“This is not legalization. We have not taken this decision lightly," she said.

"And with it comes great responsibility for the health, safety and well-being of the people of British Columbia and is a template for other jurisdictions across Canada."


The drugs will also not be seized from those found in possession of under the 2.5-gram threshold.

The allowable amount of illegal substances falls short of the 4.5 grams requested by B.C., that was already deemed too low by some drug-user groups that have criticized the province for failing to adequately consult them.

B.C. will become the first jurisdiction in North America to lift prohibitions on possession of small amounts of so-called hard drugs. In 2020 Oregon decriminalized such possession, but the drugs were still subject to seizure, and those in possession faced a US$100 fine.

B.C. submitted an application to the federal government last November asking for an exemption to the drug laws as part of a public health approach to the overdose crisis, which has killed nearly 10,000 people since an overdose emergency was declared in 2016.

Bennett's B.C. counterpart, Sheila Malcolmson said the approval from the federal government is a major step in changing how people view addiction and drug use in the province.

She said shame and fear have kept people from accessing the care they need, while the concern of being criminalized has led many people to hide their addiction and use drugs alone.

"And using alone can mean dying alone, particularly in this climate of tragically increased illicit drug toxicity," she said.

B.C. provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said the exemption is a vital step to keeping people alive and helping them connect to the health and social supports they need.

"By removing the fear and shame of drug use, we will be able to remove barriers that prevent people from accessing harm reduction services and treatment programs," Henry said in a statement.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published May 31, 2022.

https://www.delta-optimist.com/nati...inalization-plan-for-drug-users-in-bc-5424596


ahh yes. the vital gram of making sure people are alive, just give them some ecstasy!

You can practically hear the "LOOK AT PORTUGAL!" crowd stampeding in here. One thing that people don't seem to understand is that, while drugs have been decriminalized, part of the program is that drug use still has very serious civil requirements and penalties tied to it. I've read accounts of what a drug user might go through in Portugal and it's pretty damned serious.

"In line with the Portugal Drug Policy, if you get caught in possession of small quantities of drugs (defined as not exceeding a 10-day supply of that substance), you are issued with a summons and the drugs will be confiscated.

You will then be evaluated by the local Commission for the Dissuasion of Drug Addiction (“Comissões para a Dissuasão da Toxicodependência” (CDT)) which is made up of three people: One a legal expert, the other two are selected from medical doctors, psychologists, sociologists or social workers.

The Portugal Drug Policy empowers the committee to decide on the relevant sanctions which may include any of the following:

• Fines ranging from €25 to €150;
• Suspension of the right to practice for users with licensed professions that may endanger another person or someone’s possessions (such as a medical doctor or taxi driver);
• A ban on visiting certain places (like clubs, entertainment venues, etc.);
• A ban on associating with specific other persons;
• Foreign travel ban;
• A need to report periodically to the committee;
• Withdrawal of the right to carry a gun;
• Confiscation of personal possessions;
• Cessation of subsidies or allowances that a person receives from a public agency.

If you are suspected of associating with drug trafficking, growing or selling drugs (usually based on a larger quantity of drugs), you will face imprisonment."

The Portugal Drug Policy, combatting the war on drugs (beportugal.com)

They can take your personal property, cut off any subsidies/supports you have, ban you from travel, ban you from interacting with certain people or going to certain locations, ban you from certain types of employment, etc etc. I don't think I've met a single "BUT PORTUGAL!" person who realizes that they didn't just make it so anyone can do drugs with no consequences - they made a very strict and demanding civil system to deal with you if you used drugs. I wonder how many people actually would want the Portuguese model if they had the slightest clue what it was? Really, I think it's pretty damned good and I'd welcome it - but with the harsh side of it which places serious demands on the drug user as well. I think people here only want the "decriminalize" part and not the "accountability" part.

 

[Letssnuggle]

It's time to try and move south. Just leave the insane liberal policies where you came from.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Oh nooooo!!! Doom and gloom and all that. Seems like an appropriate time to discuss something like this. Lol at taking guns from citizens though. The crying never stops.

 

[Bald1]

You interpreted what I had written to say that I want us to “nannied” by further expansion of law making. The term nanny to me indicated a condescension to the idea of these laws as being excessive an coddling as a nanny would be perceived to be for an adult.

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Simply put, we don't have a Canadian sourced hand gun problem here. This isn't debatable. It's a fact.

So if a law does nothing but penalize law abiding citizens, how can it be anything but excessive or overbearing?

 

[MaxMMA]

Yeah those examples are always cherry picked by groups like NRA, the good guy with a gun is largely a myth. Most people act like deer caught in the headlights when a shooting goes off. Yeah I don’t like firearms. Sounds like I’m a lot smarter than you. I have a small kid and owning a firearm puts your family more at risk. You watch too many movies maybe. Not against gun ownership just hate the type who act like everyone is a hero when in reality there are more shootings without any good guys around

If by smarter you mean more ignorant then yes you are. Matter of fact my 12 year old daughter is less ignorant than you because when I leave her at home alone she has full access to loaded guns. She can handle a pistol safely and with ease, she's a crack shot too.

Good guy with a gun is a myth? For everyone shooting article you can find, i can find one about someone who prevented a crime with a gun, or defended themselves with a gun. The evidence is endless.

Furthermore you are living in fantasy land. This world is savage, dog eat dog. If the last 2 years have demonstrated anything it's that even people living is first world countries can fall victim to mass violence (something any truly educated person already knew). All these rules and laws that you and others follow, only follow them to your own folly.

You think because you drive a car and live in a house that you aren't subject to the laws of nature? You really believe you are so different and superior than the animals you see on national geographic that you don't need any means of self preservation? Hilariously ignorant, and quite arrogant to be honest.

If you want to be declawed out here in the jungle then that's your prerogative, but keep the rest of us out if your fantasy.

 

[Zazen]

If by smarter you mean more ignorant then yes you are. Matter of fact my 12 year old daughter is less ignorant than you because when I leave her at home alone she has full access to loaded guns. She can handle a pistol safely and with ease, she's a crack shot too.

Good guy with a gun is a myth? For everyone shooting article you can find, i can find one about someone who prevented a crime with a gun, or defended themselves with a gun. The evidence is endless.

Furthermore you are living in fantasy land. This world is savage, dog eat dog. If the last 2 years have demonstrated anything it's that even people living is first world countries can fall victim to mass violence (something any truly educated person already knew). All these rules and laws that you and others follow, only follow them to your own folly.

You think because you drive a car and live in a house that you aren't subject to the laws of nature? You really believe you are so different and superior than the animals you see on national geographic that you don't need any means of self preservation? Hilariously ignorant, and quite arrogant to be honest.

If you want to be declawed out here in the jungle then that's your prerogative, but keep the rest of us out if your fantasy.

You love guns! Great! I just look at the statistics and prefer to take my chances. Fact is families are more likely to use them on each other than a burglar. Why are you so damn mad that I’m just not as into guns as you are? It sounds like you live in an awful area and if that’s the case I’d probably buy some too. Where is this endless information you have about good guys showing up and stopping this stuff? This country has 45000 gun deaths per year. More than automobile accidents.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Simply put, we don't have a Canadian sourced hand gun problem here. This isn't debatable. It's a fact.

So if a law does nothing but penalize law abiding citizens, how can it be anything but excessive or overbearing?

I have not seen definitive data on that. Can you send some. I would assume most handguns are illegally smuggled in, but can’t find that data.

 

[Err]

I have not seen definitive data on that. Can you send some. I would assume most handguns are illegally smuggled in, but can’t find that data.

I did some digging because I wanted concrete statistics and it appears that most Canadian police forces don’t keep track of the status of weapons when they’re confiscated after a crime happens. The only one that does is Toronto, and the number I keep seeing foreign origin of firearms is at 85%.

If I had to speculate I would imagine the number nationally probably sits at well above 85% for foreign origin. If they had evidence that license holders and legally acquired firearms were being used in a large amount of crimes they would be jumping at the opportunity to represent that in statistics.

 

[Ridgeback]

I can confidently say that Mexican criminals are a cut above our local ones in organization and planning.

Lol, well if your criminals can't find a black market firearm right across the border then they are straight up retards... But we know that's not true, they'll get them.

But then again, if they are as nerdy as your police force you could be right: