Canada will take DACA illegals

[Rod1]

That's human migration, we're discussing culture. The irony of me stating a fact that cowboys are Spanish culture, then you bringing up the fact humans originally come from Africa, therefore "everything is African culture". You don't see the irony? THAT'S what you call "a stretch", son.

So you are one of those eurotards who think new world people dont have a "culture" just because Europe is older?

Of course everything came from somewhere, Mexicans didnt just sprung out of nowhere.

But you are completely wrong to say that cowboys were spanish, cowboys were 100% American born, Spanish born were nobles and bureacrats, cowboys were workers the western saddle was invented in Mexico.

You can see it by looking at the saddle of Spanish riders, they dont have a horn, no horn that means no rope a core aspect of the western cowboy.

Also since cowboy were workers the vast majority of them were mestizos, since indians were forbidden by penalty of death to mount horses and the spanish-born rulers were above mere ranching work, so the task was given to the poor non-indians, which in Mexico was represented by the mestizo with some criollos here and there.

Saying "Cowboys are spanish culture" is as ridiculous as saying that American culture is actually British culture.

And the simplest evidence to this day is the fact that there are no cowboys in Spain in these days while there are plenty of vaqueros and charros in Mexico.

In Spain you have bullfighting and you can see bullfighter horses and their non-cowboy saddles. You can see in Argentina another livestock heavy country where there are no cowboys or western saddles, the Gaucho saddle and culture is entirely different despite the fact that Argentinians descend from the Spanish too.

No, certain aspects of cowboy culture can be traced back to ancient Persia, not the entire cowboy culture. Stop clutching.

The 'American' cowboy culture is Spanish in origin. That's where the original cowboys came from, then it was brought to Mexico from Spain. Why are you denying this?

Because there are no cowboys in Spain you idiot.

... yet you're unable to name anything. lol

Because anything i name you simply say "Well its not really Mexican, its Spanish" "America has no culture lol" like most Eurotards who think too highly of their decadent societies and always put down new world cultures.

There are no cowboys in the old world period.

 

[Rod1]

Show me anywhere in Spain where these kind of games are played.





You will find none, because these are "working skills" who were beneath the Spanish nobility and wealthy individuals, these were skills of peasant workers.

"Cowboys are Spanish" what a fucking retard.

 

[goldennirvana]

So you are one of those eurotards who think new world people dont have a "culture" just because Europe is older?

?????????????

No.

But you are completely wrong to say that cowboys were spanish, cowboys were 100% American born, Spanish born were nobles and bureacrats, cowboys were workers the western saddle was invented in Mexico.

The cowboy culture is based on ranches. Ranches existed in Spain and still do today. That was a uniquely Spanish thing and was brought to the Americas by the Spanish.

Also since cowboy were workers the vast majority of them were mestizos, since indians were forbidden by penalty of death to mount horses and the spanish-born rulers were above mere ranching work, so the task was given to the poor non-indians, which in Mexico was represented by the mestizo with some criollos here and there.

That's great... but ranching/cowboy culture still originally comes from Spain.

And the simplest evidence to this day is the fact that there are no cowboys in Spain in these days while there are plenty of vaqueros and charros in Mexico.

There are still ranchers in Spain today, they just don't have the name 'cowboy'.

In Spain you have bullfighting and you can see bullfighter horses and their non-cowboy saddles. You can see in Argentina another livestock heavy country where there are no cowboys or western saddles, the Gaucho saddle and culture is entirely different despite the fact that Argentinians descend from the Spanish too.

We're not discussing bullfighting. And stop obsessing over saddles. Just face the fact that the origins of the cowboy culture come from Spain.

Because there are no cowboys in Spain you idiot.

You're denying this because "there aren't any cowboys in Spain"? Even if that was true, it wouldn't change the fact the cowboy culture originally comes from Spain. But there are still ranchers in Spain today.

Because anything i name you simply say "Well its not really Mexican, its Spanish" "America has no culture lol" like most Eurotards who think too highly of their decadent societies and always put down new world cultures.

Decadent societies, eh? Interesting choice of words from a liberal.

There are no cowboys in the old world period.

Even if that was true, it still wouldn't change the fact that the ranching/cowboy culture originally comes from Spain.

 

[Rod1]

?????????????

No.

But that's exactly what you are saying, since most things in new world's cultures can be traced back to the old world, then new world cultures dont really exist, they are just part of the old culture.

The cowboy culture is based on ranches. Ranches existed in Spain and still do today. That was a uniquely Spanish thing and was brought to the Americas by the Spanish.

Is based on, its not the same, just like the US culture is based on British culture.

That's great... but ranching/cowboy culture still originally comes from Spain.

Originally comes from Persia, through the Islamic conquests.

There are still ranchers in Spain today, they just don't have the name 'cowboy'.

And they are not the same as Mexican or Southwestern cowboys.

Since when do cowboys use sticks?

We're not discussing bullfighting. And stop obsessing over saddles. Just face the fact that the origins of the cowboy culture come from Spain.

We are discussing cowboys and the saddle is fundamental to horse riding. The western saddle was developed in Mexico.

Cowboy is a profession and the tool of the profession is fundamental to the culture of the American southwest.

You're denying this because "there aren't any cowboys in Spain"? Even if that was true, it wouldn't change the fact the cowboy culture originally comes from Spain. But there are still ranchers in Spain today.

Again, every culture comes from a previous older culture.

Decadent societies, eh? Interesting choice of words from a liberal.

Im not a liberal and its weird how Europeans are having an identity crisis from accepting immigrants and being unable to integrate them.

Even if that was true, it still wouldn't change the fact that the ranching/cowboy culture originally comes from Spain.

Originally comes from Persia if we use your logic.

 

[goldennirvana]

But that's exactly what you are saying, since most things in new world's cultures can be traced back to the old world, then new world cultures dont really exist, they are just part of the old culture.

To an extent many cultural aspects in the new world can be traced in part back to Europe, but I'm not saying that's the case with all new world culture.

Originally comes from Persia, through the Islamic conquests.

But it doesn't. Certain aspects of horse-riding equipment can be traced back to ancient Persia, but the actual cowboy culture can't. That comes from Spain.

And they are not the same as Mexican or Southwestern cowboys.

Since when do cowboys use sticks?

So they don't use sticks in Mexico/South-Western USA. Big deal. The roots of ranching/cowboy culture are still in Spain.

We are discussing cowboys and the saddle is fundamental to horse riding. The western saddle was developed in Mexico.

Cowboy is a profession and the tool of the profession is fundamental to the culture of the American southwest.

And the roots of this profession are in Spain and the Spaniards brought it over.

Im not a liberal and its weird how Europeans are having an identity crisis from accepting immigrants and being unable to integrate them.

The identity crisis comes from constantly being told that they're racist, sexist & homophobic 24/7, so they feel ashamed for simply existing and having any kind of nationalistic pride or love for their country. Russians for example aren't bombarded with this propaganda and they have no identity crisis, even though they have a large Muslim population and many immigrants. Neither does this problem exist in eastern Europe which is also not under attack with far left propaganda.

It's impossible to integrate millions of third world immigrants. I'd love to see Mexico try and do the same. Did that ever cross your mind... 'I wonder if Mexico would be able to integrate a load of third world immigrants, particularly from Muslim countries...'?

Originally comes from Persia if we use your logic.

But it doesn't. Only a couple of aspects of the horse riding equipment does. The actual cowboy/ranching culture comes from Spain.

 

[HIMBOB]

Taking in young, educated, westernised, non criminals pfft of course he would that's like the dream immigrant.

You have to be a retard to deport them.

 

[Rod1]

To an extent many cultural aspects in the new world can be traced in part back to Europe, but I'm not saying that's the case with all new world culture.

So what do you think its unique new world culture? food? native populations?

Virtually everything can be traced back to the old world, because new world nations are nations of immigrants, its idiotic to claim otherwise.

But it doesn't. Certain aspects of horse-riding equipment can be traced back to ancient Persia, but the actual cowboy culture can't. That comes from Spain.

Yet there are no cowboys or charros in Spain, certain things can be traced back to Spain, but not all.

And even if they did the Americans had minimal contact with Spanish people, most contact was with people born in America AKA Mexicans.

So they don't use sticks in Mexico/South-Western USA. Big deal. The roots of ranching/cowboy culture are still in Spain.

The roots, yes, but not the culture.

And the roots of this profession are in Spain and the Spaniards brought it over.

And Mexicans are descended from said Spaniards, ergo Mexican culture.

The identity crisis comes from constantly being told that they're racist, sexist & homophobic 24/7, so they feel ashamed for simply existing and having any kind of nationalistic pride or love for their country. Russians for example aren't bombarded with this propaganda and they have no identity crisis, even though they have a large Muslim population and many immigrants. Neither does this problem exist in eastern Europe which is also not under attack with far left propaganda.

It's impossible to integrate millions of third world immigrants. I'd love to see Mexico try and do the same. Did that ever cross your mind... 'I wonder if Mexico would be able to integrate a load of third world immigrants, particularly from Muslim countries...'?

A tiny amount of Spanish managed to impose its culture to millions of different indian tribes and nations, and then we received waves of immigrants from all over the world when we gained independence.

But it doesn't. Only a couple of aspects of the horse riding equipment does. The actual cowboy/ranching culture comes from Spain.

Only a couple aspects of ranching culture comes from Spain, again, your logic not mine.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Taking in American educated, westernized, English speaking population is exactly the type of immigration policy that makes sense (way more so than Muslim refugees)

Majority of them also come from a Christian background / upbringing which also fits in with the majority of the population. They are essentially an extension of the Portuguese / Italian template of the Canadian immigrant; from quiet labor class parents with a catholic background.

 

[goldennirvana]

So what do you think its unique new world culture? food? native populations?

Off the top of my head I can't think of anything, but I'm sure there is.

Virtually everything can be traced back to the old world, because new world nations are nations of immigrants, its idiotic to claim otherwise.

No, they're nations of citizens.

Yet there are no cowboys or charros in Spain, certain things can be traced back to Spain, but not all.

The ranching culture can and so it is Spanish in origin.

The roots, yes, but not the culture.

The ranching culture is Spanish and the original cowboys came from that. It may have been slightly different, but it doesn't change the fact it originally came from Spain.

And Mexicans are descended from said Spaniards, ergo Mexican culture.

Mexicans hate the fact their indigenous ancestors were conquered by Spaniards so it's ridiculous saying that.

A tiny amount of Spanish managed to impose its culture to millions of different indian tribes and nations, and then we received waves of immigrants from all over the world when we gained independence.

Wow... I've never seen a more blatant dodge than that. I'll ask again: Did that ever cross your mind... 'I wonder if Mexico would be able to integrate a load of third world immigrants, particularly from Muslim countries...'?

Mexico took in Europeans, Arab Christians, and some east Asians. Are you really comparing that to millions of third world immigrants, mainly from Muslim countries, being allowed into already-developed Western first world countries today? Really?

Try not being so cowardly next time and actually answer the question, not deflecting to what the Spanish did a few hundred years ago. How pathetic.

Only a couple aspects of ranching culture comes from Spain, again, your logic not mine.

The entire foundation of ranching culture comes from Spain. LOL

 

[HomerThompson]

LMAO @ engaging @goldennirvana seriously in discussion. Baffling.

@Rod1

 

[HereticBD]

Come for DACA discussion. Get history lesson on Cowboy culture...

LOL.

 

[Rod1]

Come for DACA discussion. Get history lesson on Cowboy culture...

LOL.

You are very welcome.

 

[Rod1]

Off the top of my head I can't think of anything, but I'm sure there is.

Eurotard detected.

No, they're nations of citizens.

Who descend in whole or in part of immigrants.

Weird logic you got there, Spanish descendant are immigrants when it comes to cultural contributions but are citizens otherwise.

The ranching culture can and so it is Spanish in origin.

So American cowboys are actually Spaniards, logic.

The ranching culture is Spanish and the original cowboys came from that. It may have been slightly different, but it doesn't change the fact it originally came from Spain.

Mexicans dont contribute nothing to American culture because Mexican culture is Spanish culture with some native ingredients in the cuisine.

Mexicans hate the fact their indigenous ancestors were conquered by Spaniards so it's ridiculous saying that.

The vast majority of Mexicans identify as mestizos, try again.

Plus not all natives were conquered by the Spanish, some helped the conquering and others joined willingly.

Wow... I've never seen a more blatant dodge than that. I'll ask again: Did that ever cross your mind... 'I wonder if Mexico would be able to integrate a load of third world immigrants, particularly from Muslim countries...'?

Mexico took in Europeans, Arab Christians, and some east Asians. Are you really comparing that to millions of third world immigrants, mainly from Muslim countries, being allowed into already-developed Western first world countries today? Really?

Try not being so cowardly next time and actually answer the question, not deflecting to what the Spanish did a few hundred years ago. How pathetic.

Yes we would, because we wouldnt bend over backwards to accomodate beliefs we consider contradictory to the ideals in which the country was founded.

The entire foundation of ranching culture comes from Spain. LOL

So? the entire foundation of Spanish culture comes from Rome too, but nobody is going to say that bullfighting is Italian.

 

[goldennirvana]

Who descend in whole or in part of immigrants.

That doesn't make them immigrants.

Weird logic you got there, Spanish descendant are immigrants when it comes to cultural contributions but are citizens otherwise.

???????????????

The vast majority of Mexicans identify as mestizos, try again.

That's the legacy of the Spanish conquest. They still hate the fact Spaniards conquered the indigenous Mexicans.

Yes we would

ROFLMFAO

because we wouldnt bend over backwards to accomodate beliefs we consider contradictory to the ideals in which the country was founded.

You'd have your own PC brigade defending Islam as a 'religion of peace', just as most Mexican-American politicians/media figures in the US do.

But anyway, it's very easy to say that, because you know Mexico wouldn't be dumb enough to allow them in. But the chances are, you're completely wrong. The reality is, no country can take in millions of third world immigrants, especially Muslims, and integrate them successfully. The sheer numbers make it impossible. But you know this. The only reason you made the 'identity crisis' comment was to try and give me a little dig because I've clearly struck a raw nerve with my 'cowboys originate in Spain' comment.

So? the entire foundation of Spanish culture comes from Rome too.

No.

 

[Rod1]

That doesn't make them immigrants.

The individuals in particular no, the country itself yes.

???????????????

You claim that becuse Mexicans descend in part from Spanish then anything Mexicans do or invent is actually Spanish.

But when i say that new world countries are immigrant countries, you claim that no, everyone is a native even if their parents came from Europe or Asia.

That's the legacy of the Spanish conquest. They still hate the fact Spaniards conquered the indigenous Mexicans.

They hate the fact that their ancestors conquered their other ancestors?

That doesnt makes any sense, Mexicans descend both from conquered and conquerors. Plus the Spanish were still a minority the bulk of the conquest was done by native allies.

The natives where i live in particular were never conquered, the Spanish avoided them until the missionaries converted them.

ROFLMFAO

Whats so funny? not bending over to poor immigrants is a monumental task?

You'd have your own PC brigade defending Islam as a 'religion of peace', just as most Mexican-American politicians/media figures in the US do.

But anyway, it's very easy to say that, because you know Mexico wouldn't be dumb enough to allow them in. But the chances are, you're completely wrong. The reality is, no country can take in millions of third world immigrants, especially Muslims, and integrate them successfully. The sheer numbers make it impossible. But you know this. The only reason you made the 'identity crisis' comment was to try and give me a little dig because I've clearly struck a raw nerve with my 'cowboys originate in Spain' comment.

No, the dig isnt about cowboys or Spain, its a dig on white fragility and old world decadence.

And how do you think the New World was built? with millions of third world immigrants.

No.

Latin language with arabic loan words - check.
Roman Catholic - check
Coliseum games - check

What in particular is legitimately Iberian about Spanish culture?

Bullfighting, is Roman and Castilian is Romance language.

 

[goldennirvana]

The individuals in particular no, the country itself yes.

The same can be said for every country. /facepalm

You claim that becuse Mexicans descend in part from Spanish then anything Mexicans do or invent is actually Spanish.

No.

They hate the fact that their ancestors conquered their other ancestors?

You know damn well they don't side with their Spanish conquistador side.

Whats so funny? not bending over to poor immigrants is a monumental task?

What's funny is you saying Mexico could successfully integrate a few million North Africans, Somalis, Turks, Pakistanis etc etc.

its a dig on white fragility

You just went full SJW. ROFL

You also don't understand what that term means.

and old world decadence.

... and then took a u-turn and went full conservative. ROFLx2

And how do you think the New World was built? with millions of third world immigrants.

Exactly. Which is why I said: Mexico took in Europeans, Arab Christians, and some east Asians. Are you really comparing that to millions of third world immigrants, mainly from Muslim countries, being allowed into already-developed Western first world countries today? Really?

Keywords in the quote above: already-developed Western first world countries. The New World was underdeveloped and so needed masses of immigrants to develop it. However today, the New World, particularly the USA, Canada, Argentina and Uruguay are highly developed so couldn't possibly need masses of third world immigrants. So please don't compare millions of mainly Europeans migrating to the New World 100 - 150 years ago, to third world immigrants migrating to Mexico today. Mexico, whilst it isn't as developed as the USA or Canada, certainly doesn't need a load of third world, mainly Muslim, immigrants.

Latin language with arabic loan words - check.
Roman Catholic - check
Coliseum games - check

What in particular is legitimately Iberian about Spanish culture?

Bullfighting, is Roman and Castilian is Romance language.

The Spanish language originated in Spain. The cowboy culture originated in Spain.

And the Spanish and Romans are both European. Your hatred of Europeans leads you to get upset over a major part of Mexican culture originating in a European country.

 

[Rod1]

The same can be said for every country. /facepalm

Most countries have populations that can trace their ancestry to the stone age. Very few are countries where the majority are recent immigrants.

No.

Sure.

You know damn well they don't side with their Spanish conquistador side.

We dont side with the Spanish conquest and exploitation, but we dont side with the Aztec conquests and human sacrifices either. They were our ancestors but Mexicans are a new people born out of them.

We dont have to take a side since there was no Mexican people back then.

What's funny is you saying Mexico could successfully integrate a few million North Africans, Somalis, Turks, Pakistanis etc etc.

Yes we would, we are 120 million Mexicans with a pretty clear identity. We even had a mulato president for a few years back in the earliest years.

You just went full SJW. ROFL

You also don't understand what that term means.

enlighten me please.

... and then took a u-turn and went full conservative. ROFLx2

Because im neither.

Exactly. Which is why I said: Mexico took in Europeans, Arab Christians, and some east Asians. Are you really comparing that to millions of third world immigrants, mainly from Muslim countries, being allowed into already-developed Western first world countries today? Really?

Keywords in the quote above: already-developed Western first world countries. The New World was underdeveloped and so needed masses of immigrants to develop it. However today, the New World, particularly the USA, Canada, Argentina and Uruguay are highly developed so couldn't possibly need masses of third world immigrants. So please don't compare millions of mainly Europeans migrating to the New World 100 - 150 years ago, to third world immigrants migrating to Mexico today. Mexico, whilst it isn't as developed as the USA or Canada, certainly doesn't need a load of third world, mainly Muslim, immigrants.

We dont need them, but we could certainly take them and integrate them. We wouldnt bend over backwards against them, we are not that PC.

The Spanish language originated in Spain. The cowboy culture originated in Spain.

And the Spanish and Romans are both European. Your hatred of Europeans leads you to get upset over a major part of Mexican culture originating in a European country.

Spanish language is a romance language that came with the Spanish, with some elements from Arabic.

Iberian languages are for the most part dead. Only 700 thousands~ Basques speak Euskera the only Iberian language remaining. The rest of the Spanish speak Castilian or other foreign languages.

Bullfighting which is an iconic Spanish activity is a Roman tradition and the whole Spanish reverence for Bulls comes from Phoenicians and Greeks.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

@Rod1

Are you still considering converting to Catholicism?

 

[Rod1]

@Rod1

Are you still considering converting to Catholicism?

Im baptized, so technically im still are.

Mere social convention.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Im baptized, so technically im still are.

Mere social convention.

I am baptized as well. I have all of the sacraments up to confirmation. I am still seriously considering returning to the Catholic Church, but the things that are necessary to be a good Catholic like discipline, sacrifice, restraint, intellectual rigour and compassion make me reluctant. I can relate to Augustine when he said, "Lord make me pure but not yet." I will definitely have to stop shit-posting on Sherdog when I commit myself to the church.