Can you do spinning backfist in boxing?

Even if it where legal, spinnibg backfists and superman punch only work against very poorly skilled fighters and would never work against an amatuer level boxer
 
Damn, I can't remember what was the fight in the 70s or 80s that opened with one guy running across the ring and launching a superman punch that was immediately dodged? It was like he tried it and had such little effect nobody even bothered to mention it. It looked so ridiculous but how none of the commentators even called any attention to it was simply bizarre.

Also in Pac vs Mosley the horrid Showtime commentary tried to call a stepping straight a "one of them MMA Superman punches"

 
Cazadores said:
Spinning backfists and superman punches are the most ridiculous things ever. Sorry, but a good striker would never get hit with either.

Especially a superman, if your going to fake low and go high then why the hell would you jump to punch. It just wastes time, you take all the leverage off your punch. so pointless, but the MMA crowd eats it up. Jab to the body and shoot a straight to the head. Way more effective, Watch Mayweather against Dlh if you want to see it in action.

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A lot of the MMA world's explanations for these moves don't really make much sense under closer scrutiny. It's no different than when they used to account for the fact that no MMA fighters knew how to jab by saying it didn't work in MMA. Or even when they claimed proper head movement wouldn't be applicable in the cage. They make shit up to account for their short comings.
 
I forget the exact fight, but it was a pro match on cable TV. A boxer was throwing a right and left at the same time - "double punch". The ref immediately stopped him and called him out on it, not allowed.

Not sure this was it, but an example:

 
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uncookedpork said:
I forget the exact fight, but it was a pro match in the 90s on network TV.. A boxer was throwing a right and left at the same time - "double punch". The ref immediately stopped him and called him out on it, not allowed.
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That happened to Pacquiao in the I THINK Clottey fight.
 
The problem with spinning anythings is that their once-a-fight shots. If you throw a backfist and it misses or gets blocked, there's no point throwing another your oppo will see it from miles way. If you leave it till late in the fight towards the end of a round, its got a chance, a low one, but a chance
 
NAKMUAY18 said:
The problem with spinning anythings is that their once-a-fight shots. If you throw a backfist and it misses or gets blocked, there's no point throwing another your oppo will see it from miles way. If you leave it till late in the fight towards the end of a round, its got a chance, a low one, but a chance
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Um, I know there are exceptions to everything but.... Siver throws his spinning back kick pretty consistently and will try for it multiple times, Genki Sudo had a combo in K-1 that went right spinning backfist continued into a weird jab thing that continued the rotation into another spinning backfist.
 
Siver times them well, genraly as a counter to the shot. He rarely lands them against guys with good stand up. The problem is the huge tell, as soon as a guy steps across himself 45deg you know somethings coming. If you leave it later the guy will probably still see it coming, but being tired might freeze him for a second while he processes it
 
NAKMUAY18 said:
The problem with spinning anythings is that their once-a-fight shots. If you throw a backfist and it misses or gets blocked, there's no point throwing another your oppo will see it from miles way. If you leave it till late in the fight towards the end of a round, its got a chance, a low one, but a chance
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There is so much evidence out there that disagrees with this that I don't even know where to begin. Do you actually watch striking arts? Spinning techniques aren't just there for the "unexpected" factor--there are tactical and technical reasons for using spinning attacks. You're basically saying that the right hand in boxing is useless, because it's so far away that it will never land. Yeah, that's true--until you learn how to set it up and when to throw it.

And to those of you saying that superman punches don't or shouldn't ever work... You either don't understand the technique, or you're saying that feints and fakes don't work. In which case, you're dead wrong. Just because people do them poorly in MMA sometimes doesn't mean they have no application. Fake low-strike high is a very sound principle, and I've seen them delivered effectively in high level Muay Thai and kickboxing.

There's a nice variation taught in this video around the 5 minute mark.

 
NAKMUAY18 said:
The problem with spinning anythings is that their once-a-fight shots. If you throw a backfist and it misses or gets blocked, there's no point throwing another your oppo will see it from miles way. If you leave it till late in the fight towards the end of a round, its got a chance, a low one, but a chance
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Wrong.

Its like anything else it has to be set up 90% of the time.
 
Cazadores said:
Spinning backfists and superman punches are the most ridiculous things ever. Sorry, but a good striker would never get hit with either.

Especially a superman, if your going to fake low and go high then why the hell would you jump to punch. It just wastes time, you take all the leverage off your punch. so pointless, but the MMA crowd eats it up. Jab to the body and shoot a straight to the head. Way more effective
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I have a feeling, call it a hunch, that you totally miss the point of a superman punch. /rhyme
 
NAKMUAY18 said:
Siver times them well, genraly as a counter to the shot. He rarely lands them against guys with good stand up. The problem is the huge tell, as soon as a guy steps across himself 45deg you know somethings coming. If you leave it later the guy will probably still see it coming, but being tired might freeze him for a second while he processes it
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If you're really good you can crank them out fast:

 
BJJ Coffee Drinker said:
WTF?! Superman punch is basically faking a low kick and suddenly throwing a right/rear hand. In boxing, kicks are illegal so there is no point in faking a kick. People watching so much mma nowadays think SUperman punch is just a standalone cool looking technique. Any good boxer in a boxing match would see that punch coming a mile away. It isn't even seen much in kickboxing where kicks are allowed
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you see shitty ones in MMA for the most part because people arent properly selling the kick.

Gregolian said:
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its kinda ironic how these guys are saying spinning shit is completely useless, but there it is as one of the final four candidates for ESPN's 2012 ESPYs Play of the Year:

2012 ESPYS - July 2012 ESPN
 
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NedDiaz said:
no, its illegal because back in bareknuckle boxing days people did backfists to cut their opponent, so now you cant strike with the back of your hand
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That's interesting, I am assuming they are actually using the back of their hand to hit. I was taught to use the er... side of the hand (where the pinky is) to strike... sorry if I can't explain the area properly.

But yeah it is illegal in boxing.
 
Sohei said:
Wrong.

Its like anything else it has to be set up 90% of the time.
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Also caught this so I need to double post

Genki Sudo has done multiple backfist with success... at least in one of his fights, but we know how bizarre of a fighter he is.
 
NedDiaz said:
no, its illegal because back in bareknuckle boxing days people did backfists to cut their opponent, so now you cant strike with the back of your hand
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Its not because of making cuts, its to have more technique and reduce injury to hands
 
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