Can you do spinning backfist in boxing?

Well then Disc, why don't you find a place to start and then enlighten me? Show me some high class strikers of the level of ether Petrosyan or Khem that are firing 4 and 5 spinning back kicks a round. I didn't say it was pointless, it's a slow, low percentage technique. When it lands it's spectaculer and is on HL reals all over, if it was easy then it wouldn't be.


If I throw a soccer ball in the air and ask you to kick it with you shin, 9-10 you'll put in into orbit. If I do the same but say hit it with a spinning heal kick your might clip it 2-10. Couple that with how long it takes to throw (time yourself throwing 10 hard Thai kicks, then ten spinning back kicks), that makes it a specalist move that shouldn't be a go-to 5 times a round strike.

The only spinning technique i would consider a bit different is the spinning elbow, its shorter, quicker, and doesn't expose you as much

As for that video of the superman punch, why is that guy waveing a foam stick around? I think done right the SMP can work well, but what was done at the 5min mark was complete shit. If you land a knee you've put your fwd momentum into the other guys gut, you've got little leverage to punch, that's why people knee then elbow.
 
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I think spinning backfists have some decent KO's out there. Very powerful technique. The best use would be as a long range weapon when your opponent is circling into it. But easy to see coming if there is no set up.
 
NAKMUAY18 said:
Well then Disc, why don't you find a place to start and then enlighten me? Show me some high class strikers of the level of ether Petrosyan or Khem that are firing 4 and 5 spinning back kicks a round. I didn't say it was pointless, it's a slow, low percentage technique. When it lands it's spectaculer and is on HL reals all over, if it was easy then it wouldn't be.
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Unfortunately Serkan up there didn't have a long career in kickboxing--I think he would have done well the more experience that he gained. Do you see those knockdowns later in the video? Do you recognize the man being knocked down by that tremendous spinning back kick? It's Masato, in case you don't.



Gokhan uses spinning techniques quite frequently. If you don't think that Gokhan is an excellent striker then I don't know what to tell you. He's beaten Spong, Karaev, Sefo, Ignashov, Kemayo, Ghita, and I'm sure he would have beaten Alistair if he'd had two unbroken arms in that fight.



In MMA there's Cung, of course, as well as his many fights in the sport of Sanda. He uses a variety of spinning attacks very well.



And the late, great, blue-eyed samurai, Andy Hug. His spinning attacks were both effective and creative, and they won many fights for him.

Is that enough evidence? I can find more.

 
You've convinced me! As soon as I saw the Vid for "The Turkish Samuri" I was astounded, specialy when I saw his record of 6 losses and 3 wins. He's defos the level of a Khem or a Sayok. Did you see the result of the Masato knock down? Masato beat him.
Also putting up vids of HL real KO's and not videos of high level guys throwing 4 or 5 spinning techniques every round pretty sure I didn't see that. What you'll do now though is find an old vid of Andy Hug or TKD guy making it work against some one once then say everyone should be hammering spinning strikes all the time.
Axe kicks too, 5 or 6 every round, quick to Youtube "axe kick highlight real"

So I'm saying spinning strikes should be used spairingly in a fight, once or twice, maybe three times at a push. What are you saying, throw them out there all day long? I'd love to hear the ideas from your MT instructor, definatly after that video you recomended. Top tip, just because the guy looks Thai doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about, I thought him waving that big pink double ender would be a giveaway for you.
 
I've always viewed spinning elbows as the most dangerous. You are RIGHT next to your opponent to throw them and I always felt because of that distance it leaves you open for something like what Rich did to Chuck, let the guy run into your fist for a KO or KD at least.

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Ok, gif above did't help as it was terrible. Back elbows are used best. When slipping punches, slip a jab into a rear elbow etc. They work because the footwork is less to recover and you need less accuracy. It is still a low percentage strike
 
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NAKMUAY18 said:
Ok, gif above did't help as it was terrible. Back elbows are used best. When slipping punches, slip a jab into a rear elbow etc. They work because the footwork is less to recover and you need less accuracy. It is still a low percentage strike
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Footwork less?

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It's less because your footwork goes to hell. See how Jon Jones almost loses his balance because of how crossed up his feet get?

Also, do you need the full vid to see or some shit?
 
You were arguing you can't do it multiple times in a fight.... you didn't say we had to use Top 5 guys to prove you wrong.
 
Gregolian said:
You were arguing you can't do it multiple times in a fight.... you didn't say we had to use Top 5 guys to prove you wrong.
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This is what everyone does instead of admitting they are wrong

BUT I DONT SEE BUAKAW DOING SO HA!!!

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Here's a good spinning elbow at 0:10 in


Another by Yoddecha at 01:41
 
LEGS MAHONEY said:
This is what everyone does instead of admitting they are wrong

BUT I DONT SEE BUAKAW DOING SO HA!!!

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So fucking true. Oh, can't do an axe kick ever Andy Hug is an exception!
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I'll admit, spin kicks, spinning backfists and the like are damn hard to pull off and you need a combo of great footwork, timing, and balance to do it. However, to say you can use them only 2-3 times a fight? Lols.
 
Gregolian said:
You were arguing you can't do it multiple times in a fight.... you didn't say we had to use Top 5 guys to prove you wrong.
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Pretty sure I said I considered spinning elbows a bit different, hence the video of a spinning back elbow I put on, You following Brick?
Why would you try to emulate guys that are have poor technique and a losing record? Guys like Saki is a good example of what I'm saying, they arn't firing spinning back fists and hook kicks all round long, they wait for an opperitunity use it then go back to more conventional strikes.
The more you uses a spinning back fist, back kick, hook kick, etc the less effective it becomes.
 
NAKMUAY18 said:
You've convinced me! As soon as I saw the Vid for "The Turkish Samuri" I was astounded, specialy when I saw his record of 6 losses and 3 wins. He's defos the level of a Khem or a Sayok. Did you see the result of the Masato knock down? Masato beat him.
Also putting up vids of HL real KO's and not videos of high level guys throwing 4 or 5 spinning techniques every round pretty sure I didn't see that. What you'll do now though is find an old vid of Andy Hug or TKD guy making it work against some one once then say everyone should be hammering spinning strikes all the time.
Axe kicks too, 5 or 6 every round, quick to Youtube "axe kick highlight real"
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So wait... those weren't high level guys? Have you actually seen Serkan's fight with Masato. It was very close. A lot of people actually thought that Serkan should have won on account of his knockdowns and aggressive performance. Serkan's problem was always that he came out too wildly and aggressively, not that his spinning kicks didn't work. I thought we were arguing about the effectiveness of spinning attacks. Several of them landed solidly on Masato, one of the best kickboxers of our time, and one of them blasted him off his feet and into the turnbuckle. So what if Masato took the decision? Doesn't that show that the techniques were effective? Doesn't it say something about how effective they are that Masato got smashed by several of them, especially against a young fighter with a 6-3 record?

I can show you more videos if you want. Evidently you're afraid to be proven wrong, or you'd already be searching them out yourself. The reason I posted highlight videos is because they condensed a lot of effective spinning attacks into a short timeframe, and you don't strike me as the type of guy who would watch an entire fight, especially if I told you beforehand that the video would prove your misconceived notions wrong. But hey, what the hell. Behold the glory of Steve Vick.



See, I'm imagining the scenario in your gym. You strut proudly up to the heavy bag, having just seen Edson Barboza knock out Terry Etim with a spinning hook kick. "I can do that," you say to yourself, and proceed to sluggishly spin around and fling your leg at the bag. You hyperextend your knee, hurt your heel, and fall down. Standing back up, you dust yourself off and proudly proclaim to all who will listen: "Spinning attacks are useless!" Sound about right?

So I'm saying spinning strikes should be used spairingly in a fight, once or twice, maybe three times at a push. What are you saying, throw them out there all day long? I'd love to hear the ideas from your MT instructor, definatly after that video you recomended. Top tip, just because the guy looks Thai doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about, I thought him waving that big pink double ender would be a giveaway for you.
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I get what you're saying. It's just that you're wrong. I'm saying you ought to throw them whenever they're called for. I suspect that you don't throw spinning attacks very well, and so no, you probably shouldn't use them more than once a round. That surprise factor may be the only thing that makes them work for you. But there are styles and fighters that use spinning attacks of all varieties very well, and when the situation calls they can be used, no matter how many times a round. A spin isn't as easy for the eyes to detect as you might think.

You think I picked the video because the trainer is Thai? I picked it because the Superman in the video is done well. The kick is effectively faked, and the lunge with the punch is well-executed. Did I recommend any of the training techniques in the video? No. I used it as an example of a well-executed superman punch.
 
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