Can we talk about round 3 of MVP vs Garry?

[Final Say]

To start, I don’t care for either of these guys. A win for either guy doesn’t really move me, and to see either of them getting finished would maybe even bring me a little joy. I truly have no dog in this fight.

In round three, Garry definitely got buzzed pretty hard. He pulled MVP onto himself in response, where Venom had a few minutes of top control, never accomplishing much.

From there, Garry ended up taking back control and while he threatened a RNC, he never came very close to a finish.

I’ll be honest, I scored round 3 for Venom. I thought the damage he dealt standing plus his top control was of more value than the back control Ian scored on MVP. It seems the round scoring criteria is ever changing and quite confusing, even for me, a LONG time fan who is passionate about combat sports.

Regardless of how you scored it, why is this third round so divisive? How should it have been scored and why?

I’d love to see more concrete criteria and I think the discussion is important.

 

[Unheralded Truth]

I agree, but they have decided to go with Garry as the new exciting kid (for some reason...)

Any back control or sub attempt will count for 2X as much as when anyone else does the same

 

[Final Say]

I agree, but they have decided to go with Garry as the new exciting kid (for some reason...)

Any back control or sub attempt will count for 2X as much as when anyone else does the same

I’ve said it already, I think Ian winning is likely better for the division long term because he’s much younger and developing. I can see that.

But I would also like to think that damage dealt standing means something, especially when the sub attempt was never very close. I’d love to see judges who can tell the difference between a hopeless attempt and a near finish.

Ian was MUCH closer to finishing in round one than he ever was in round three.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

I like you scored it MVP 3 because of the damage, the round should have at least been a 10-10 in my eyes

 

[Cartiac]

It was pretty simple, Ian clearly showed effective grappling that outweighed anything else in the round.

Maintaining back control while threatening a choke is not the same as sitting in guard. MVP doing nothing to get out of the disadvantageous position for so long made the display of impact clear showing Ian was clearly diminishing MVP's "energy, confidence, abilities and spirit".

That being said, I completely agree the scoring is very frustrating and confusing. I think the single most impactful thing that could be done to alleviate that confusion is have the judges cite the criteria by which their score is based. Over time that would give much better visibility into how each judge defines the criteria and sees the fights.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

Garry was on his back for the final two minutes of the fight. You shouldn’t expect to win a round where the judges saw a guy on your back throwing strikes, and kind of fishing for a choke for the final 2 minutes of the fight.

It’s a bad look. The last look the judges had of you.

29-28 Garry.

 

[carlosevenos]

im a big MVP fan and don't see how anyone can score that 3rd round for him. He didn't land anything significant on the feet and even when garry was on his back, he didn't even throw a strike hardly, whilst Garry throw elbows from his back. Then garry controlled last 2 mins.

 

[corrupted]

At the end of round three I had it 29-28 to MVP. Wasn’t a terrible decision for it to go the other way and I would likely need to see it again to be sure. But in real time that’s what it looked and felt like.

 

[Neck&Neck]

Who fuckin cares, shit fight ain’t worth the debate
Most people just want Garry to lose cuz they don’t like him
Probably should of been a draw
Ship them both off to PFL

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Damage is the primary criteria.

Except control late in the round seeming to beat it more often than not.

HW Usman vs Tafa a clearer example. Fucking atrocious scoring but no one seemed care.
Likely cause the damage free control of usman made it a terrible fight.

 

[RockyLockridge]

garry took damage and held position.

I understand why he won, but personally it's better when fighters who do that lose. Sends the message that you cant just hang on for a win.

 

[markys00]

Damage is the primary criteria.

Except control late in the round seeming to beat it more often than not.

HW Usman vs Tafa a clearer example. Fucking atrocious scoring but no one seemed care.
Likely cause the damage free control of usman made it a terrible fight.

Lol UFC needs to quit repeating that. Makes them look foolish. Also, they seriously need to stop pushing more liberal scoring with 10-8s. It WILL ruin the sport

 

[TITS]

I scored it for MVP. Ian Macanno Garry didn't do shit.

 

[b00tysweat]

I scored it for MVP. Ian Macanno Garry didn't do shit.

he held on for dear life

hugging harder than aunt Edna at Thanksgiving

 

[PrideNverDies]

I agree, but they have decided to go with Garry as the new exciting kid (for some reason...)

Any back control or sub attempt will count for 2X as much as when anyone else does the same

Funny how these close decisions just happen to always favor the prospect hype jobs

 

[RonDante]

Official stats say 28 strikes for garry and 14 to MVP in the 3rd round

Full guard is a 50/50 position

Back control isn’t

Garry wins

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Official stats say 28 strikes for garry and 14 to MVP in the 3rd round

Full guard is a 50/50 position

Back control isn’t

Garry wins

Numbers only tell part of the story


Watching it did you think Gary did the most damage In rd 3?

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Official stats say 28 strikes for garry and 14 to MVP in the 3rd round

Full guard is a 50/50 position

Back control isn’t

Garry wins

Those are probably ground strikes that didn't have much power behind them

 

[MalhadomedoEv]

MVP won the R3, punch Garry down and stayed on top for over a minute the fight went back to standing and he had more action until Ian managed to take him down and get on his back without doing much. At the very least it was a draw. But it really bothers me that MVP has 12 years of exclusive MMA practice and all he knows how to do on the ground is survive.

 

[Ares Black]

Garry was on his back for the final two minutes of the fight. You shouldn’t expect to win a round where the judges saw a guy on your back throwing strikes, and kind of fishing for a choke for the final 2 minutes of the fight.

It’s a bad look. The last look the judges had of you.

29-28 Garry.

Garry pretty clearly won the third round. A lot of guys in this thread letting wishful thinking affect their judgement.