can we now admit what we missed out on as fans? (Khamzat)

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Let me remind you what we lost as fans. And somehow most didn't see it based on corporate manipulation pandering to the worst of fairweather fan emotions.

1. Khamzat becomes #1 contender at WW in early 2022
Undefeated Khamzat beats top 3 ranked Burns in a FOTY contender with the most buzz of any contender in ages. Easiest "ok next is a title shot" fight matchmaking in human history. This fight, prior to happening, was promised by Dana for the winner to get a title shot.

2. UFC derails Khamzat to cover their PR disaster / fans buy it
Instead, completely defying all logic, they used him as a punishment for Nate saying he wanted free agency. When fans and media turned against the UFC for this match (reminder for those who forgot: it was unanimous and a unfolding PR disaster for the UFC) suddenly it was called off. But they couldn't admit it was pre-planned. Instead someone who called themselves a "UFC doctor" ordered Khamzat to rehydrate, which he did, then they weighed him. He was 178. Reminder for those who don't know how weight cutting works... literally no one on the roster below HW is not nearly exactly 8 pounds over after rehydrating. Instead fans bought it and ignored the MOUNTAIN of evidence to the contrary that it was scripted: UFC never denied what Khamzat's team said about a "UFC doctor" ordering him to rehydrate + if it wasn't scripted they wouldn't have LW Tony slated for WW + Holland slated for 180 (the exact post-hydration Khamzat weight) months before the weight miss + the guy with the least marketing power (Li) taking the lone weight hit as a WW fighting a 180 pound guy (Hernandez), etc. Then the most scripted fight promotion probably in UFC history... the "biggest brawl in UFC history" per Dana between Kevin and Khamzat. A "brawl" that several UFC cameras caught the first 10 seconds of in the form of people yelling at one another... then the cameras magically turned off. All cell phones magically turned off. Not a single pic or second of video footage. And according to Dana, this brawl, the most violent in all of UFC history, which involved more than 20 pro fighters and entire teams... somehow didn't result in a single fight cancellation, single injury, single scratch on anyone's face... nothing. And fans bought it. For years after that it was attacks on Khamzat for "missing weight" instead.

3. Pure political virtue signaling, nothing more, shelves the most promising athlete for 2.5 years of his prime
The Russia-Ukraine war happens. The Biden State Department, completely under the guise of cheap virtue signaling, bans Khamzat from competing in the US. Solely because his ethnicity is the same as a politician they don't like, and his birth country is the same as another politician they don't like. As a result, he can't compete in the US or any country which follows the lead of the US (ie: that means all of Western Europe, Australia, Japan, etc) meaning he was effectively banned from competing anywhere besides Abu Dhabi. There was never any rationale provided for this. But instead we saw 2.5 years of fans saying "terrorist" or saying "but Kadyrov isn't nice" as if that had anything to do with Khamzat who was guilty only of being the same ethnicity. In the middle of this, Khamzat wins the SECOND fight he was promised a title shot (this time at MW vs Usman) and AGAIN doesn't get a title shot, again only explained by politics. Instead, Sean Strickland somehow gets 3 title shots in his next 4 fights. Worst of all, somehow... in a rejection of all logic... fans blame Khamzat for him not being allowed to compete in the West. "He only fights in Abu Dhabi" and "he's inactive" as if the most promising contender in the entire sport WANTED to sit on a couch. At least when Muhammad Ali's prime was stolen based on political horseshit (him not wanting to fight in Vietnam) fans were aware enough to understand "ok we are missing something special because of politics here." But instead Khamzat, without a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing, was banned from competing... based on nothing more than his ethnicity and the crime that he dared to have a photo taken with his President. Now the story has come out that what everyone thought back then was true / that this ban was not reversed until Trump came in. Within a few months he fights for the MW title in the US and wins in utterly dominant fashion.

4. Reminder of what we actually missed out on from summer of 2022 to summer of 2025.
If none of this shit happened, Khamzat would have fought for the WW title in the summer of 2022. He likely would have beaten Kamaru (#1 P4P fighter at the time) and dethroned him prior to Kamaru's streak being broken by Leon. Then he likely would have called out Izzy (#4 P4P fighter at the time) moved up to MW and likely beaten him prior to his streak being broken by Alex. He would have dethroned two P4P dominant champs in a row while attaining double champ status. Then if Izzy was dethroned Alex would have likely moved up to LHW to become a star in another weight class, and who knows if we could have seen Khamzat vs Alex for the belt at LHW prior to Alex getting dethroned by Ankalaev. Potential triple champ status.

TLDR: Regardless of what would have happened... just know this... we were robbed. Three years of the most excited matchmaking in this sport's history went up in smoke, solely due to politics. And most fans bought it hook, line, and sinker complete with echoing the virtue signaling and parroting the UFC corporate line about 279 totally not being scripted and Khamzat totally being at fault for listening to the orders of the "UFC doctor." Wake up. Khamzat at age 28-30 forced into limbo highlights that we had an Muhammad Ali situation happening in MMA: an elite athlete in his absolute prime sitting on the sidelines solely due to political bullshit and we lost something SPECIAL.
 
1. Khamzat becomes #1 contender at WW in early 2022
Undefeated Khamzat beats top 3 ranked Burns in a FOTY contender with the most buzz of any contender in ages. Easiest "ok next is a title shot" fight matchmaking in human history. This fight, prior to happening, was promised by Dana for the winner to get a title shot.

Yeah he would've been next... after Leon Edwards. He never leaped ahead of Leon in line for the title shot at UFC 278. If Usman had won, Chimaev would've been next if he got through the Diaz fight which was basically a showcase / stay busy fight with next to zero chance he was going to lose.

Edwards knocking Usman out guaranteed Usman was going to get an immediate rematch given he was on a 15 fight win streak and undefeated in the UFC, and then Chimaev blew up a PPV & his future at welterweight after the disastrous weight miss at UFC 279.
 
I think you’re very off base saying the UFC coordinated Khamzat vs Nate being called off. In my opinion that’s almost as ridiculous as the guy who said they coordinated Arman pulling out of 311 last minute so Islam could easily break the LW title defense record.
 
No i dont think so he got there when he got there. Im glad he didn't get there ealier.
You think Kevin / short-notice Kamaru / Robert was the best use of time for the last three years of his prime? Knowing what we know now after seeing Khamzat vs DDP? Agree to strongly disagree man...
Yeah he would've been next... after Leon Edwards. He never leaped ahead of Leon in line for the title shot at UFC 278. If Usman had won, Chimaev would've been next if he got through the Diaz fight which was basically a showcase / stay busy fight with next to zero chance he was going to lose.

Edwards knocking Usman out guaranteed Usman was going to get an immediate rematch given he was on a 15 fight win streak and undefeated in the UFC, and then Chimaev blew up a PPV & his future at welterweight after the disastrous weight miss at UFC 279.
It was explicitly stated that if Khamzat won vs Burns he'd get the shot as Kamaru. Prior to Nate announcing he was seeking free agency they openly said that was the plan (to give him a title shot before Leon). Of course the need to punish free-agency Nate, and the need to stem their horrible PR when they made that decision, resulted in 278 instead going to Leon and the disaster that was 279. Read the OP / specifically #2 on the "disastrous weight miss" ... I don't think that happened.

I think you’re very off base saying the UFC coordinated Khamzat vs Nate being called off. In my opinion that’s almost as ridiculous as the guy who said they coordinated Arman pulling out of 311 last minute so Islam could easily break the LW title defense record.
Just my opinion... it was the most doctored promotional stunt the UFC has ever pulled off in its entire existence. You don't think it is weird that 10 UFC professional cameras and 100 personal cell phones all magically turned off and zero evidence has existed for the "biggest brawl in UFC history" that was used to justify the matchmaking? Or that the majority of the card had weights set for the ACTUAL line-up in direct contradiction to the SUPPOSED line-up that it was originally planned for?

As soon as they announced, months in advance, that Kevin vs Hernandez would be at 180 CW... when was the next time they did that? Made up a weight class WAYYYY in advance for no discernible reason?
 
You think Kevin / short-notice Kamaru / Robert was the best use of time for the last three years of his prime? Knowing what we know now after seeing Khamzat vs DDP? Agree to strongly disagree man...

Kevin was his fault. Kamaru was what is what was. Whittaker was sensible, and that took extra long because again, his fault, he pulled out and whittaker fought ikram.
 
If you ignore all his illnesses and VISA troubles, sure
Read #3. His visa troubles were the direct result of the US state department. I'm not ignoring it, I'm blaming that bullshit for us missing out on MMA history.
Misleading title, you should have titled this “I post all my conspiracy theories here”
#1 is historically verifiable. He beat Gilbert for the #1 contender spot.
#3 has been confirmed by UFC and Khamzat. Trump lifted the ban on him competing.

#2 is the only one that you can argue. I provided my evidence as to why I think they scripted it. You gave absolutely nothing in response other than to be lazy and dismiss that evidence with the phrase "conspiracy theory"... but I guess you don't have any counter-point to say so that's all you can say.
which is what im seeing a lot of here. Doesn't seem to want to hold khamzat responsible for his own mistakes.
What is the exact mistake he made for being banned from competing in the Western Hemisphere by the State Department for 2.5 years?

He chose the wrong ethnicity / birth country prior to being born? Or he committed the crime of taking a picture with the wrong person?
 
No one here has offered any rationale for why he should have been banned from competing globally for 2.5 years. Can you? Or just saying it is his fault that the State Department banned him without giving any reason for why that ban was implemented?

Did this happen in the 70s? How many boxing fans said Ali was at fault for not competing? At least that way if you were a die-hard supporter of the Vietnam war you could rationalize it... saying HE made the choice to not go and therefore deserved the US stopping him from competing.

But we don't even have that logic here. Khamzat did nothing other than be born in the wrong place. Which is why I keep asking people in this thread their rationale for WHY he was banned and so far I've gotten nothing.
 
What is the exact mistake he made for being banned from competing in the Western Hemisphere by the State Department for 2.5 years?
obviously something, if you cant see that i dont know what to tell you
 
But we don't even have that logic here. Khamzat did nothing other than be born in the wrong place. Which is why I keep asking people in this thread their rationale for WHY he was banned and so far I've gotten nothing.
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obviously something, if you cant see that i dont know what to tell you
So you can see it then? Why don't you tell me what the "something" was instead of pretending it is so obvious yet never saying what it is?
Exactly. COVID wrecked him and sidelined him for a significant time.
I started the timeline in 2022. None of it has anything to do with COVID, which was late 2020 to 2021.
 
Yes exactly. So he was guilty of the horrible crime of appearing in a photo with someone. You think that justified a 2.5 year ban for the most promising athlete in MMA? Is this a weird side effect of social media where the biggest perceived crime is photos with someone you don't like?

Do you think Trump is morally wrong for not stripping him of the belt now and RE-banning him again? After all, this photo still exists... surely Khamzat isn't done serving time for the crime of appearing in a photograph without US state department approval?
 
So you can see it then? Why don't you tell me what the "something" was instead of pretending it is so obvious yet never saying what it is?
I dont know exactly what it was. I just know it was something. it wasn't "no reason in particular"
 
Yes exactly. So he was guilty of the horrible crime of appearing in a photo with someone. You think that justified a 2.5 year ban for the most promising athlete in MMA? Is this a weird side effect of social media where the biggest perceived crime is photos with someone you don't like?

Do you think Trump is morally wrong for not stripping him of the belt now and RE-banning him again? After all, this photo still exists... surely Khamzat isn't done serving time for the crime of appearing in a photograph without US state department approval?
Thats not just one photo mate

They basically brothers in crime or so the virtue signals.

Buuuuuut as a counter argument against myself you could say a lot of people from Ali have encountered Kaddy and been all buddy-buddy with him. So its not like Kham is the only one guilty of hanging around with him. Its all PR for the wrong people. I dont know how close they truly are in reality of course.
 
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