Can we just be honest about UFC matchmaking

[SuperAlly]

If Izzy wanted to immediately fight Alex after Alex KOs Silva, the UFC would sign it. Izzy could have fought him in his first UFC fight if he wanted to. Only delusional nut huggers think that the UFC wouldn't allow this if Izzy pushed for that fight.

He's scared and hopes he doesnt have to fight him again especially with small gloves

I could see Izzy either trying to bang it out and getting kod again or trying to be a wrestler and shooting takedowns for the first time ever in his career and it ending very badly.

WAR Poatan

War poontang, I agree

 

[ticho123]

I kind of disagree with you.
Didn't they bring Pat Cummins for DC?
And remember, Pat was a fucking Barista, so he was not even fighting!

So they would probably bring him to Izzy if Izzy was so inclined to fight him, regardless if Izzy is the champ and if Pereira is ranked or not.
It's just what they do.

That was a last resort kind of thing and everyone lol'd hard at the "made DC cry"-narrative

 

[cheesus]

Pereira doesn't deserve to fight Izzy, has to earn it. Their history adds to the story but it's simply that, history. And the UFC need more time to market him anyway, he needs exposure to the UFC customer base who largely, probably don't even know who he is.

 

[JeffDredd]

Yes, but the thread is related to the other one where Izzy is not really wanting the fight according to Alex. Izzy called out Romero and the UFC made the fight. If Izzy really wanted the fight more than any other fight, I’m sure the UFC would make that fight if Alex has an impressive win this weekend.

This isn’t just some top 20 scrub. But a guy that beat Izzy twice before in a related combat sport. That fight practically sells itself. Let alone the shit talk already coming out. It’s easily the most interesting fight in the division. If rankings and shit don’t really matter, then make the most exciting fight available “if the champ really wants it”.

I get what you're saying and that's why I think he should be fast tracked to a title shot but you still have to do the work. I'm not a believer in the rankings not meaning anything though. Maybe in boxing but the UFCs rankings are usually pretty reasonable.

For me if he gets a title shot next and Izzy beats him what does it really mean? Whereas if he has a couple more outings against respectable opposition and looks good we can get some real hype for the fight instead of the manufactured stuff. Then if Izzy wins we can call it a good win.

 

[Shaddows]

That was a last resort kind of thing and everyone lol'd hard at the "made DC cry"-narrative

true, but they still did it.

note: Don't get me wrong. I don't like it and I rather fighters climb through the rankings by fighting.
I am merely stating that the UFC is greedy enough to put a storyline ahead of the sport any time.

 

[KhosVaziri]

Izzy was 75-5 in kickboxing with 1 KO loss. Pereira was 33-7 with 2 KO losses. I would say that makes Izzy one of the best kickboxers in the world and he said he made more in one UFC fight then his entire 80 fight career in kickboxing. Even if you take his highest payday of $1.7 M for the Jan fight that would average to $21250 per fight. But if you are aware of what Glory pays then enlighten me?

You are clearly looking for something to hate about Izzy. Him getting KO'd in kickboxing and moving to MMA isn't really a valid issue.

Izzy was one of the best in the world, Alex still is and the total amount of fights don't matter. Glory doesn't disclose paydays like the UFC does.

Izzy didn't just move on. He got kod and retired after that. Yes it's clear he didn't want a trilogy fight.

 

[KhosVaziri]

There's nothing for him to gain from it outside of "revenge" for a fight he lost years ago. Do you really think Izzy's mental is that weak to the point where the loss would bother him? Dude is making bank now and having a great run. In time he will take the Pereira fight, for certain. Just not right now. Also look at it this way. If you were Izzy would you rather take the fight while Pereira is basically a nobody in the organization where you would jus be making your regular purse. or would you rather wait until Pereira is hyped to enough to make a super fight and sell a ton of PPV's? Taking the fight then would be worth the risk for Izzy. Not to mention they could easily make a trilogy fight out of it too and make a bunch of more money..

Yes any loss especially ko losses stay with fighters for the rest of their lives.

 

[KhosVaziri]

Israel already destroyed this guy twice in kickboxing and got caught at the end of one of them. He needs to earn his title shot by proving he can beat elite MMA fighters like Israel had to receive his. No handouts.

Israel lost both fights and had a good second round in the second fight and then got put down in less than a minute in the third round. He got put down so brutally there was no need for a count

 

[KhosVaziri]

hahahahaha just take the L and move on, you’re wrong, you look bad and the majority of people see it.

i already dicked on you, just move on.

You just won't admit Izzy got brutally kod and then never competed in kickboxing again. You want to act like that ko had nothing to do with Izzy retiring from that sport.

Like I said if Izzy wanted revenge he could get the fight signed. He's scared.

 

[r-harper-1]

Big Izzy fan …if Izzy Defends against Cannonier….pereira can get the next shot ….some people calling Izzy a duck … ffs let the pereira prove he’s an mma fighter against careful opponents….then book it

 

[KhosVaziri]

My point is, Chonan would never ever land that submission on Anderson ever again which is why Anderson doesn't care and isn't afraid of him. My comparison is that if Alex and Izzy fought, Izzy could completely underwhelm him with his full MMA arsenal, he's come a long way since his ufc debut and fight with Vettori.

The Greek dude didn't bully him with punches bit he completely smothered him for the majority of the 1st round...I literally rewatched the fight earlier to jog my memory.

BTW I'm not even a fan of Izzy, he was cool at first but he's a prick, I just think he's destined for big things

Andersons strength was never jiujitsu and he also ended up in a different weight class from chonan and chonan never called him out when he made it to the UFC as far as I can recall. 2 different situations.

Izzy got kod on his feet and he's a stand up fighter. He doesn't want this fight. We've never seen Izzy wrestle offensively and he might try it and get kod.

I believe the fight will happen soon enough, we will see then

 

[KhosVaziri]

War poontang, I agree

Yes.

 

[Shaddows]

Where did I say I agreed with Masvidal getting 2 title shots in a row or whatever else? It's obvious the UFC sometimes does stupid or unfair things from a matchmaking perspective. Masvidal is not even a top 10 WW IMO and he gets undeserved title shots because he's a draw. He didn't deserve the first one let alone the second.

I'm not particularly a fan of Khabib winning a vacant belt off of Al Iaquinta (though he was a short-notice replacement). Khabib probably should have gotten a TS before that. Tony and Colby shouldn't have had their interim titles stripped because if injury, they should have kept them until they could unify the belts etc etc.

If you're saying the UFC sometimes does stupid things I agree with you. I don't think they should do this specific stupid thing so why do you keep saying Izzy needs to ask them to do the stupid thing? Makes no sense for him to do that.

Look, let me start saying this: I do NOT mean to offend you.... but how fucking stupid are you????

I am not TELLING anyone to do anything!
I merely stated that IF Izzy wanted that fight, it would have happened.
I supported my theory by providing examples of other fighters who got undeserving title shots, and even fighters who never fought in the UFC before getting title shots... which is not eve the case for Alex since he is already in the UFC.

Again, I AGREE with your point of view!
Look at my post history, I am ALWAYS vocal against fighters getting undeserving title shots, no matter if I like them or not!!!

But this thread is about this specific fight, and I am merely answering to the topic, agreeing with the OP that (unfortunately) if Izzy was asking for the fight, UFC would be glad to make it happen!!!

Fuck, I even gave good reasoning why Izzy would not want to give Alex a title shot (and no, it is not because he fears Alex).

Fucking read my post and think before blindly answering!!! It is frustrating to keep saying this is not about my opinion on the matter.

 

[Candy Routure]

I kind of disagree with you.
Didn't they bring Pat Cummins for DC?
And remember, Pat was a fucking Barista, so he was not even fighting!

So they would probably bring him to Izzy if Izzy was so inclined to fight him, regardless if Izzy is the champ and if Pereira is ranked or not.
It's just what they do.

Pat was short notice for Rashad.. All the other 205’ers were tired up.. That was the UFC grasping for sales..

 

[Shaddows]

Pat was short notice for Rashad.. All the other 205’ers were tired up.. That was the UFC grasping for sales..

Agree.
But that's just one example. I gave others, and if you think about it, you will probably find many other examples where the UFC dismiss rankings or "deservablity" and do things for profit.
Especially if there is a storyline they can use to hype the fight.

 

[SKITZADACTYL]

You just won't admit Izzy got brutally kod and then never competed in kickboxing again. You want to act like that ko had nothing to do with Izzy retiring from that sport.

Like I said if Izzy wanted revenge he could get the fight signed. He's scared.

sure thing shitposter

 

[Candy Routure]

Agree.
But that's just one example. I gave others, and if you think about it, you will probably find many other examples where the UFC dismiss rankings or "deservablity" and do things for profit.
Especially if there is a storyline they can use to hype the fight.

I also agree with you. And if a similar predicament is to occur with Izzy and Perira, for damn sure they’ll do their best to make that fight happen.

 

[BJpencil]

UFC giving pereira a titleshot would look absolutely retarded, doesn’t matter what the storyline is. the guy is a literal nobody as far as his MMA accomplishments go.

izzy has fought way better MMA fighters than pereira, but yeah he’s scared and ducking someone who’s not even close to being ranked in like.. the top 20 lmao.

izzy haters are just weird.

UFC giving pereira a titleshot would look absolutely retarded, doesn’t matter what the storyline is. the guy is a literal nobody as far as his MMA accomplishments go.

izzy has fought way better MMA fighters than pereira, but yeah he’s scared and ducking someone who’s not even close to being ranked in like.. the top 20 lmao.

izzy haters are just weird.

"UFC giving Pereira a titleshot would look absolutely retarted, doesn't matter what the storyline is"
I'll take Bisping vs Hendo 2 for a thousand Alex!
Unless you think Izzy is gonna do a Jordan Burroughs it will be a standup battle and I would expect Pereira to win again.

 

[KhosVaziri]

"UFC giving Pereira a titleshot would look absolutely retarted, doesn't matter what the storyline is"
I'll take Bisping vs Hendo 2 for a thousand Alex!
Unless you think Izzy is gonna do a Jordan Burroughs it will be a standup battle and I would expect Pereira to win again.

they do think izzy is going to start wrestling offensively for the first time in his career. Its almost like they admit that Izzy is scared of getting kod

 

[KhosVaziri]

"UFC giving Pereira a titleshot would look absolutely retarted, doesn't matter what the storyline is"
I'll take Bisping vs Hendo 2 for a thousand Alex!
Unless you think Izzy is gonna do a Jordan Burroughs it will be a standup battle and I would expect Pereira to win again.

I get what they're saying because Alex didnt ko him in mma but either way, yes the ufc could absolutely make this fight. People mostly didnt argue with me about that for long, they just started saying

1. izzys not scared, that ko didnt affect him at all even though he never fought kickboxing again after that
2. it doesnt benefit izzy to give him a title shot
3. he didnt earn a title shot
4.Izzy would outgrapple him anyways
5.something about sucking dick