Can Someone in BJJ Explain This?

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I remember watching Kimbo vs Shamrock and thinking it was fixed. I assumed I was too hyped in the moment but I just watched it again. I have a black belt in BJJ (at a local chain 10th planet so probably not the best) but the position shamock had then Kimbo's defense makes no sense of how he escaped. I get Shamrock was old as hell but the man new leg attacks I'd assume he knew how to finish a rear naked choke. I love Kimbo and he seemed like a good person but it's weird.

 
Ken Shamrock, in his later years, always fought like a doof. His fight with Rich Franklin and his 2nd fight with Tito were very wonky. Ppl were saying those fights were fixed.

I honestly don’t think it was a fix. If it was, why didn’t Bellator fix his fight with Dada 5000? That fight was awful. One of the worst fights ever displayed.
 
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Ken should have stayed on top in this case. When he rolled to his back Kimbo started defending enough to keep from getting choked out. Looks suspect as you mentioned Ken had a lot of mileage. If you do a lot of BJJ then you know that a big strong roided up and motivated guy possibly on stimulants makes the moves way less effective.
 
B ville Famous said:
Ken Shamrock, in his later years, always fought like a doof. His fight with Rich Franklin and his 2nd fight with Tito was very wonky. Ppl were saying those fights were fixed.

I honestly don’t think it was a fix. If it was, why didn’t Bellator fix his fight with Dada 5000? That fight was awful. One of the worst fights ever displayed.
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Spot on conclusion for any n00bs here
 
Imagine having a black belt in BJJ and downplaying it since it’s ”just from a local 10th planet gym”. Nice try OP, but you’re not a black belt in anything. Maybe aim lower next time, like 2 stripe blue belt or something.

And yes, Kimbo escapes that sunk in rear naked choke 0 out of 10 times if there isn’t some kind of fix in it. A very strong guy (even if old and worn down) like Ken would’ve just squeezed for the finish.
 
Seems legit . Kimbo wasn't the greatest fighter but he could throw a punch . Shamrock got cocky and sloppy and didn't exactly have a great chin .
At the end of the day Shamrock will probably say he was going for some kind of leglock or whatever .
Would probably ask for a rematch if it didn't involve voodoo.maybe he will get one in wweeee.
 
Never saw that fight before, Ken had to put his second hand behind Kimbo's head to finish and it's hard to get why he did not, but the punches that took him out weren't fake. Maybe Ken is just a bad grappler.
 
Shamrock really really had a sad late career. I could probably count beyond two hands how many crazy fights he lost in that last decade or so. Basically everything beyond the Kimo fight in ufc which happened around the first Ortiz fight. There came a day when he seemed allergic to winning. And losing in crazy and sad ways. Didn't Royce Gracie hit him in the groin and KO him?

Now with Kimbo I'm surprised he ended up here. Kimbo wasn't that good but he was a roid abuser just like Shamrock

Shamrock was just way older, frailer and smaller. The way I saw it he got the RNC locked up but whether his energy level, the sheer size of Kimbos neck, idk he couldn't choke him out and Kimbo didn't submit
 
It looks like Ken just ran out of energy or blew out his arms or something. He had nothing left to keep squeezing. Now I would'nt put it past Ken to throw a fight, as others have said the one vs Rich was really weird. But I don't think it was a company conspiracy or anyone telling him to do it. I think he just wasn't that good at that point in his career.
 
His arms were either dead (dude WAS ancient and blown-up from roids at that point) or it was a work. Looked he was was doing some talking there right before losing his grip, but who knows...
 
Looks like Shamrock was crushing the front of the throat for a while but was nowhere near a blood choke. That's a pain compliance move, like a face crank, and often won't work, especially to end a fight with money on the line. By the time his arm under the chin came around so that pressure could be applied to the major blood vessels in the throat, Shamrock was gassed, Kimbo Slice's hands were defending, and the arm was slipping forward out from under the chin.
 
Spath said:
Imagine having a black belt in BJJ and downplaying it since it’s ”just from a local 10th planet gym”. Nice try OP, but you’re not a black belt in anything. Maybe aim lower next time, like 2 stripe blue belt or something.

And yes, Kimbo escapes that sunk in rear naked choke 0 out of 10 times if there isn’t some kind of fix in it. A very strong guy (even if old and worn down) like Ken would’ve just squeezed for the finish.
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I'm glad you can tell me what belt I am
 
I dont know but I do remember when Ken fought Rizzo back in 2011 and i said to myself wow Ken really should not be fighting anymore.
 
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