Can black people become "white?"

[V-2]

I think Greeks are considered white today because:

1. They began the intellectual tradition of Europe and are arguably the greatest contributors to it.
2. They were the first to articulate the concept of Europe.
3. There's a decent chunk of Greek people that look Nordic. One of my economics professors in college was a blond-haired, blue-eyed Greek. I've also seen people from Turkey who look like that and even people from Syria and Lebanon.

It does speak to how the concept of "white" can be a little ambiguous though, because Greeks are genetically and historically closer to many nations of the Middle East than to, say, Sweden or Norway... so drawing a circle over Greeks and Swedes and calling them white can seem arbitrary.

There are many other examples like this.

For example, Somali and Ethiopians are regarded as black because they're African and most people from those ethnicities have afro-like hair yet their facial structures, languages, and DNA are closer to Semitic North African people [Caucasoids] than to black Africans in countries like Zimbabwe and Niger.

There are many people who are descendants of "transitionary" peoples- that is the link from where on race transitions to another.

Uzbeks are a racial composite of European, Middle Eastern, and Mongolic Asians yet this is the result of both their admixture and their geographical position where Caucasoids and Mongoloids were thought to have split.

I prefer this map myself. Yours is better at demonstrating the variation within virtually every European country though. I'd love for Ben Franklin to tell me I'm an "undesirable" with my peach white skin, blond hair and blue-green eyes. That dirty bastard.

 

[revoltub]

Say it ain't sosa

 

[MicroBrew]

An interesting little tidbit, not related to the US but related Whiteness in the Western world:

In Apartheid South Africa, Taiwanese, Koreans and Japanese were considered "Honorary Whites". This distinction was not based on scientific notions of race, it was political. Taiwan, Korea and Japan did not boycott Apartheid South Africa; they had business and diplomatic links. Mainland Chinese were not considered "Honorary Whites" despite being racially similar to the Taiwanese, because China was not an ally of Apartheid South Africa. So after Apartheid the South Africans of Chinese descent became eligible for Affirmative Action.

 

[RollsRoyceGracie]

 

[Bamboozled]

I prefer this map myself. Yours is better at demonstrating the variation within virtually every European country though. I'd love for Ben Franklin to tell me I'm an "undesirable" with my peach white skin, blond hair and blue-green eyes. That dirty bastard.

You're undesirable because you talked shit about Ben Franklin.

 

[wonderbread]

I know the thread title is crazy.

But at times in the US, germans, italians, Irish, polish, etc.,werent always considered white by American standards, with italians even being subiect to jim crow laws.

So whiteness historically is a much more elastic concept than one may think.

Black culture and black influence is,heavily significant in america today. And guys like Obama or scientist NGT are staple representations of america while also being black.

Black influence on the younger white generations is phenomenal compared to every other ethnic group, so in a sense, arent black people becoming white in a sense?

A lot of the black culture shit on the good parts. You know what I mean.

 

[uppercutbus]

Michael Jackson - Black or White

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[V-2]

You're undesirable because you talked shit about Ben Franklin.

He was being mean, dude.

Them traits are too damn rare relative to the global population to be undesirable (only ~2% has green eyes, for example). They are diversity.

 

[V-2]

When my family immigrated from Russia we were classified as white even though we look as Asian as Chinese/Japanese people.

Kinda like Ruslan Provodnikov?

 

[nhbbear]

I think your wording is confusing, and you never really make a point or an argument.

No, blacks will never be considered “white.” Black culture, as you did point out, has a very strong influence on sports, music, and other aspects of the entertainment world. The increasing acceptance and assimilation of black culture into mainstream America, in my opinion, peeked in the 90s, and then the lines sort of vanished a good bit, but the lines will always be there for those that want to see them.

Whiteness can be an insult in black culture, especially in urban settings, where blacks that become involved in what they view as white activities or interests, are called out on their interests and the insults are about “trying to be white” or their “blackness” is challenged. I have heard black people criticized by other blacks for excelling in academics in such manners. The flip side is white people interested in hip hop or Ebonics are trying to be black. An example, is a white kid we have been dealing with that has run afoul of the law, gets his ass beat for the way he talks, and it is pretty comical to try and talk to him. I had to remind him multiple times that i am in fact, not “his ” or the other officers, as in “that over there told me .... but then that said....”. So naturally, when interviewing the black male suspect, I did a fist bump and thanked him(not really).

While working out yesterday, iggy
azalea ‘s fancy came on, and I had to smirk at the inflection on that Australian girl’s voice, and I was trying to remember who got into a twitter battle with her, and how I felt about that(it was Nikki minaj). I also was reminded of the struggle that emenim went through in the beginning of his career, but he was lucky that vanilla ice layed the ground work in his civil rights struggle to gain acceptance being a white artist in traditionally black genre.

 

[FrankensteinMMA]

you have to be 100% white to be white.

race being a social construct is for the intellectualy lazy.

 

[FrankensteinMMA]

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

fake news. both photos on the right were taken while the casket was open, hence the pale skin.

 

[AleYeah]

Dammit! Came to post this.

 

[machidafan99]

with italians even being subiect to jim crow laws.

...and don't forget the largest lynching in US history. I'm still waiting for my reparations for that.

 

[machidafan99]

Muhammed Ali's grandson(s) are white.

One drop of potent jewish seed made them so.

 

[salamander]

No.

No we can't.

 

[tramendous]

This is kind of a strange notion. That you have to be accepted as white to be fully in. Lol

 

[Starman]

I know the thread title is crazy.

But at times in the US, germans, italians, Irish, polish, etc.,werent always considered white by American standards, with italians even being subiect to jim crow laws.

So whiteness historically is a much more elastic concept than one may think.

Black culture and black influence is,heavily significant in america today. And guys like Obama or scientist NGT are staple representations of america while also being black.

Black influence on the younger white generations is phenomenal compared to every other ethnic group, so in a sense, arent black people becoming white in a sense?

No, Negroids cannot become Caucasoids if they were born Negroid any more than Mongoloids could become Negroids if they were born Mongoloid.

Cultural assimilation is possible. Being a "transracial" is not.

 

[tramendous]

you have to be 100% white to be white.

race being a social construct is for the intellectualy lazy.

That would disqualify most white people in the US

 

[revoltub]

No, Negroids cannot become Caucasoids if they were born Negroid any more than Mongoloids could become Negroids if they were born Mongoloid.

Cultural assimilation is possible. Being a "transracial" is not.

Clearly you don't really understand the topic.