Can a fight be overturned to due incompetent judging?

[NoBiasJustMMA]

This judge clearly doesn't understand the judging criteria. Aggression and octagon control are the least important judging criteria and only matter when the striking is even which it was not in rounds 1, 2 and 3.

Round 1 Jones 17 of 27, with 1 of 5 head shots landed

Round 1 Reyes 23 of 59, with 7 of 33 head shots landed

Round 2 Jones 22 of 37, with 8 of 9 head shots landed

Round 2 Reyes 33 of 68, with 11 of 46 head shots landed

Round 3 Jones 19 of 34, with 7 of 18 head shots landed

Round 3 Reyes 26 of 45, with 7 of 25 head shots landed

http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/fae99a4089f8abb0

"Effective Striking/Grappling shall be considered the first priority of round assessments. Effective Aggressiveness is a ‘Plan B’ and should not be considered unless the judge does not see ANY advantage in the Effective Striking/Grappling realm. Cage/Ring Control (‘Plan C’) should only be needed when ALL other criteria are 100% even for both competitors. This will be an extremely rare occurrence."

http://www.abcboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/juding_criteriascoring_rev0816.pdf

 

[ZOD66]

Jones won 3:2, Reyes with better cardio could won

 

[Fedorgasm]

This judge clearly doesn't understand the judging criteria. Aggression and octagon control are the least important judging criteria and only matter when the striking is even which it was not in rounds 1, 2 and 3.

http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/fae99a4089f8abb0

"Effective Striking/Grappling shall be considered the first priority of round assessments. Effective Aggressiveness is a ‘Plan B’ and should not be considered unless the judge does not see ANY advantage in the Effective Striking/Grappling realm. Cage/Ring Control (‘Plan C’) should only be needed when ALL other criteria are 100% even for both competitors. This will be an extremely rare occurrence."

http://www.abcboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/juding_criteriascoring_rev0816.pdf

All I know is that my av takes the decision over your av

 

[Iluzjonista]

I have seen it in promotions in Europe, highly doubt it will ever happen in the UFC though.

The guy made a huge mistake, and the worst part is he still defends his decision after having time to reflect on that.
Fire him.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Jones won 3:2, Reyes with better cardio could won

Reyes out struck Jones in rounds 1, 2 and 3. Jones won cause the judges were either corrupt or incompetent. Joe Soliz proved that he's incompetent in his explanation of his score card.

 

[DS66]

It was a close fight that could go either way- Basically every single time this happens in a championship fight, the nod goes to the champ, especially when the champ decisively wins the championship rounds. It is what is. Far, far from the biggest judging robbery we've seen, even just on tonight's card alone.

 

[treestump]

It's not incompetence. It's corruption

 

[Jose Beehive]

I used to think this graphic was patronising, clearly it needs to be shown more often than the stupid videos they show between fights

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

It was a close fight that could go either way- Basically every single time this happens in a championship fight, the nod goes to the champ, especially when the champ decisively wins the championship rounds. It is what is. Far, far from the biggest judging robbery we've seen, even just on tonight's card alone.

It's one of the worst decisions in a UFC title fight with only a few worse like Machida vs Shogun 1.

 

[ZOD66]

Reyes out struck Jones in rounds 1, 2 and 3. Jones won cause the judges were either corrupt or incompetent. Joe Soliz proved that he's incompetent in his explanation of his score card.

 

[Paladin]

This judge clearly doesn't understand the judging criteria. Aggression and octagon control are the least important judging criteria and only matter when the striking is even which it was not in rounds 1, 2 and 3.

http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/fae99a4089f8abb0

"Effective Striking/Grappling shall be considered the first priority of round assessments. Effective Aggressiveness is a ‘Plan B’ and should not be considered unless the judge does not see ANY advantage in the Effective Striking/Grappling realm. Cage/Ring Control (‘Plan C’) should only be needed when ALL other criteria are 100% even for both competitors. This will be an extremely rare occurrence."

http://www.abcboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/juding_criteriascoring_rev0816.pdf

Glad the commentary went after, and exposed the incompetent judging.

I mean, at one point they caught a judge looking away for the better part of a fight and wasn’t paying attention.

 

[Doctor Lenovo]

You will not be able to prove incompetence without a shadow of a doubt. LOL

There was no finish. So, we go to damage. Both fighters looked equally damaged, but Jon Jones had Reyes bleeding. So, we go to which fighter looked like he was closest to end the fight. Neither one looked close to a finish.

So, the judges scored the fight for the fighter who looked like he was chasing the fight, and not for the one who looked like he was running away.

The fight was judged according to the current rules. Plus, it was a UD, which shows consistency in the judging. Also, throughout the night, it looked the judges were giving the fight to the fighter who was chasing its opponent.

 

[ZOD66]

4-1 Reyes is the new nickname and my favorite fighter now !
and you are an idiot

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

You will not be able to prove incompetence without a shadow of a doubt. LOL

There was no finish. So, we go to damage. Both fighters looked equally damaged, but Jon Jones had Reyes bleeding. So, we go to which fighter looked like he was closest to end the fight. Neither one looked close to a finish.

So, the judges scored the fight for the fighter who looked like he was chasing the fight, and not for the one who looked like he was running away.

The fight was judged according to the current rules. Plus, it was a UD, which shows consistency in the judging. Also, throughout the night, it looked the judges were giving the fight to the fighter who was chasing its opponent.

If that were true Jones would have lost, he got out landed in both volume and significant strikes through the first 3 rounds and there were no 10-8 rounds. Octagon control and aggression don't mean anything if the striking isn't even and it wasn't so it doesn't matter how much Jones walked forward while he got hit more and harder.

 

[MRT]

Barring a confirmed case of corruption, you will probably never see a major U.S. commission overturn a decision by its judges. As mentioned, some shady commissions (even org execs!) overseas have overturned decisions.

Having said that, while the commission has full control over the fights, I'm almost positive that the org has full control over the titles...i.e. the UFC could take the belt from Jones and appoint Reyes as champ, in theory.

We see this power most commonly exercised when champs are stripped for whatever reason (extended injury, inactivity, out-of-cage issues, PED bust, etc). There are no 'rules' around that...the decision rests entirely with the UFC. While typically a title will then be vacant and awarded following a fight, it does not have to happen that way and the org could simply appoint a champ. Obviously that would significantly tarnish the title, so the likelihood of every seeing that happen is virtually nil.

 

[HHJ]

We wont see it,but this judge basically shows that he does not even know how to judge correctly,and cannot be trusted to do his job.

 

[SwiftMcvay]

Maybe they could overturn a decision....but it damn sure wouldn't be this one.

If Reyes was worried about a shitty decision he probably should have pressed the action more.

 

[HHJ]

That judge would have scored Sanchez v Melendez for sanchez.

 

[HHJ]

Maybe they could overturn a decision....but it damn sure wouldn't be this one.

If Reyes was worried about a shitty decision he probably should have pressed the action more.

You cant fault reyes in this. He gassed but he gassed when he was up 3 rounds.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

That judge would have scored Sanchez v Melendez for sanchez.

Wouldn't be surprised if he was one of the judges that scored Sanchez over Kampmann when his face was a mask of blood.