Crime California refuses to follow federal orders and prevent trans-woman from playing women sports.

Irrelevant. Some cisgender women have physical advantages over cisgender males. That doesn't mean we should have just one division and not divide it male and female.
well no it's not irrelevant because trans women are women. they're trans women, but they're women too. and certainly a lot closer to cisgender women athletically than they are to cisgender males.
Irrelevant. That's like saying there's only a few athletes doing steroids so it's ok. The only reason there's no domination everywhere is due to the sheer population difference between trans and normal.

Point blank transwomen in female sports are unfair - period. It doesn't matter how many there are.
lebron james in male sports and serena williams in female sports is unfair too. so again, i just don't care. banning/separating people because they have a huge advantage in sports is dumb in the first place, not even acknowledging that trans women are comparable to cisgender women athletically, and not comparable to cisgender males whatsoever.
 
well no it's not irrelevant because trans women are women. they're trans women, but they're women too. and certainly a lot closer to cisgender women athletically than they are to cisgender males.

Just because you say something like a mantra doesn't make it true.

lebron james in male sports and serena williams in female sports is unfair too. so again, i just don't care. banning/separating people because they have a huge advantage in sports is dumb in the first place, not even acknowledging that trans women are comparable to cisgender women athletically, and not comparable to cisgender males whatsoever.

So then don't have a separate NBA and WNBA. Don't separate male vs female sports and just have one division. Since sports is inherently unfair.
 
So then don't have a separate NBA and WNBA. Don't separate male vs female sports and just have one division. Since sports is inherently unfair.
well, i don't have a problem with separating men and women. you just refuse to recognize a trans woman as anything but a man, which brings us to the obvious context and motivation for this nothingburger problem in the first place, which is just to make trans people feel bad. you want to make sure they always feel like an other and constantly remind them they will never truly be what their dysphoria is telling them they are. the cruelty is the only point.
 
well, i don't have a problem with separating men and women.

But why separate them? Why have separate male vs female sports?

you just refuse to recognize a trans woman as anything but a man, which brings us to the obvious context and motivation for this nothingburger problem in the first place, which is just to make trans people feel bad. you want to make sure they always feel like an other and constantly remind them they will never truly be what their dysphoria is telling them they are. the cruelty is the only point.

Has literally nothing to do with that. Has to do with transwomen having a physical advantage.

Look at the size advantage these cheaters have.

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But why separate them? Why have separate male vs female sports?



Has literally nothing to do with that. Has to do with transwomen having a physical advantage.

Look at the size advantage these cheaters have.

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again, cisgender women have that too, you just want to single out trans people.

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You even asking this shows your initial answer was a bullshit deflection. You have no interest in a fact based discussion on this issue.
you could just answer the question. surely it wasn't the cleveland ymca rec rugby league.
 
you could just answer the question. surely it wasn't the cleveland ymca rec rugby league.
No, you can explain why you initially acted like you knew what sports the UN had looked into for their report. It's lazy of you to ask anyone else to do research for you.
 
No, you can explain why you initially acted like you knew what sports the UN had looked into for their report. It's lazy of you to ask anyone else to do research for you.
i don't have to explain anything. i made a joke, as you and i both know there's been one total trans athlete who's been successful at any major level.
 
So why not let her compete against the men?

You keep avoiding my question. Why have separate men's and women's divisions?
because the majority of women don't want to compete against men and cisgender men have a huge advantage against both trans and cisgender women.
 
because the majority of women don't want to compete against men and cisgender men have a huge advantage against both trans and cisgender women.
So that advantage suddenly disappears once you transition ? You just backed yourself into a corner bud, from here you either have to admit you are lying or just an idiot.
 
Why are you guys even bothering with KAZ? He's an obvious troll. Yes, you have all backed him into a corner and he looks really dumb. Notice how he doesn't give a shit and just keeps doubling down, and ignoring facts presented to him? Let it go. You're not gonna win him over. He's just going to continue being retarded. It's his schtick.
 
well, i don't have a problem with separating men and women. you just refuse to recognize a trans woman as anything but a man, which brings us to the obvious context and motivation for this nothingburger problem in the first place, which is just to make trans people feel bad. you want to make sure they always feel like an other and constantly remind them they will never truly be what their dysphoria is telling them they are. the cruelty is the only point.
So you think the 80-90% of people who want trans women out of womens sports all feel that way because they hate trans people and want to be cruel? You really feel that way? This number encompasses all political parties not just Republicans. This is just batshit insane. What we care about is women being able to have their own spaces and their own sports without it being invaded. You don't give a fuck how it makes anyone else feel do you?
 
So you think the 80-90% of people who want trans women out of womens sports all feel that way because they hate trans people and want to be cruel? You really feel that way?
you mean 80-90% OF people who oppose trans people in sports? or are you trying to claim 80-90% of people across the aisle disapprove of trans people in sports? because the number is not nearly that high. when polled, the number is still a good majority at 63% but not 80-90%

and no i don't think 80-90% of people who disapprove of trans athletes playing with their gender simply hate trans people. i think it's probably closer to 40-50% but i think the remaining half have been led to believe it's a more common thing than it even is, as well as they've been led to believe those trans athletes have some kind of staggering advantage. this is because, overall, americans don't give a shit about this topic. so why would they do any research?

i've asked you guys time and time again in this thread to show me examples of trans women dominating women they aren't simply better than like lia thomas. every example of trans women "dominating" is always some person who transitioned 6 months ago winning a weightlifting competition at a local bodybuilding expo. it's not any real level of competition.
This number encompasses all political parties not just Republicans. This is just batshit insane. What we care about is women being able to have their own spaces and their own sports without it being invaded. You don't give a fuck how it makes anyone else feel do you?
i think much like the civil rights and gay rights movements that once were vehemently opposed by the majority of america, our society would be better off if we conquered these stupid myths meant to demonize trans people outside of the sports argument.
 
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