Assuming your conspiracy theory is true, why is rebuilding the area with more dense housing a bad idea?
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Congestion, crime, school crowding, and much more. Pacific Palisades was already crowded with rich people; it will be fun to increase that crowd size with poor people to see what happens next.
The palisades have a very lower population density, and shifting to multifamily housing and not mansions doesn't automatically increase crime.
You can't complain about homelessness and housing costs in California and then turn around and claim the Palisades should be built as a bunch of mansions and single family homes again lol. Pick a lane.
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You've never driven through Pacific Palisades... ZERO residential parking before the fire. I spent many holidays and events there, and parking absolutely sucks. Also, the streets are skinny, so it's often a one-way street as it's parked out.... even though it's meant for 2 ways.
I've been through several times. The Palisades has less than 10 percent the population density of Santa Monica.
We could also always just rebuild the area with better public transit or wider streets or less mansions.
"There's too many luxury cars clogging the streets and I can't park"
You act like this is some huge problem we can't possibly surmount.
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It's steep hills... You can't build on those.
You don't get to expand the streets without taking property away from most of the residents. Your "solution" is to put high-density housing where it does not belong.
I say let the market decide, if people want to sell their lots and developers want to build more density, the government shouldn't block it.
There's no reason to build a rich enclave if the market supports more accessible housing costs.
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California is run by morons...
The Palisades Fire started State Officials didn't allow a previous fireto be put fully out to prevent damage to "protected" plant life. Never mind that plant life ended up go up in flames along with 1,600 homes
First they pulled the firefighters before the Lachman Fire was fully put out...
Then didn't report that the fire was smoldering days later.
Palisades fire victims claim a state park official restricted efforts to fight earlier blaze
Alexander “Trey” Robertson, one of the attorneys who filed the complaint against the state, told The Times that a fire official up on the Lachman burn scar Jan. 1 alleged that a California State Parks representative told them “they couldn’t bring a bulldozer in to cut a line around the fire and they could not do mop-up with their hand tools, dig up around any native plant species.”“They basically put plants over people and wouldn’t let the firefighters attempt to fully mop up this fire.”
State Parks employees didn't report smoldering Lachman Fire before it exploded into Palisades Fire, testimony reveals
Then the State Park tried to claim they weren't onsite... but yeah, another lie
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At some point people failing this hard , need to be held accountable
veteran Los Angeles-area fire chief ripped into Mayor Karen Bass for her “failure of leadership” by taking a trip to Africa just days before the deadly fires erupted.
Redondo Beach Fire Chief Patrick Butler took direct aim at mayor Bass and California officials under Governor Gavin Newsom, saying their dysfunctional leadership during the crisis worsened the devastation from the inferno that erupted on January 7.
The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations is conducting an ongoing probe that could ultimately determine who was responsible for the blaze.
During the critical preparedness period, the mayor was out of the country despite knowledge of the forecasted life-threatening conditions,” Butler said, referencing Bass’s controversial trip to Ghana Africa before the fires.
”Responsibility for continuity of leadership and citywide coordination rests with the mayor, and in this case, that responsibility was not met
veteran Los Angeles-area fire chief ripped into Mayor Karen Bass for her “failure of leadership” by taking a trip to Africa just days before the deadly fires erupted.
Redondo Beach Fire Chief Patrick Butler took direct aim at mayor Bass and California officials under Governor Gavin Newsom, saying their dysfunctional leadership during the crisis worsened the devastation from the inferno that erupted on January 7.
The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations is conducting an ongoing probe that could ultimately determine who was responsible for the blaze.
During the critical preparedness period, the mayor was out of the country despite knowledge of the forecasted life-threatening conditions,” Butler said, referencing Bass’s controversial trip to Ghana Africa before the fires.
”Responsibility for continuity of leadership and citywide coordination rests with the mayor, and in this case, that responsibility was not met
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Remember when Gsvin Newsom pretended to be on the phone to Biden rather than speak to a woman who's daughter's school burned down?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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It wasn’t just Karen Bass. And she was likely too dumb to do anything anyway
The bigger issue was the handling of the fire just previous to the Palisades Fire that was prevented from being fully contained and left smoldering to protect endangered plant life.. l
Plant life that was later completely destroyed along with 6,000 structures and killing people
Days before Palisades inferno, firefighters were ordered to leave smoldering burn site
Days before Palisades inferno, firefighters were ordered to leave smoldering burn site
Texts between three firefighters and a third party reveal previously undisclosed details about the Los Angeles Fire Department's handling of a Pacific Palisades burn site.
www.latimes.com
- Firefighters alerted a battalion chief that areas of a New Year’s Day fire in Pacific Palisades, known as the Lachman fire, were still smoldering the next day, according to text messages.
- The firefighters were ordered to pack up and leave anyway, instead of monitoring the burn area for reignitions.
- Federal authorities say the blaze reignited on Jan. 7, destroying thousands of homes and killing 12 people.
This was gross negligence and incompetence…
Combined with decisions that left nearby water reservoirs empty
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Yes so true , good post broIt wasn’t just Karen Bass. And she was likely too dumb to do anything anyway
The bigger issue was the handling of the fire just previous to the Palisades Fire that was prevented from being fully contained and left smoldering to protect endangered plant life.. l
Plant life that was later completely destroyed along with 6,000 structures and killing people
Days before Palisades inferno, firefighters were ordered to leave smoldering burn site
Days before Palisades inferno, firefighters were ordered to leave smoldering burn site
Texts between three firefighters and a third party reveal previously undisclosed details about the Los Angeles Fire Department's handling of a Pacific Palisades burn site.
- Firefighters alerted a battalion chief that areas of a New Year’s Day fire in Pacific Palisades, known as the Lachman fire, were still smoldering the next day, according to text messages.
- The firefighters were ordered to pack up and leave anyway, instead of monitoring the burn area for reignitions.
- Federal authorities say the blaze reignited on Jan. 7, destroying thousands of homes and killing 12 people.
This was gross negligence and incompetence…
Combined with decisions that left nearby water reservoirs empty
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Born and raised in Cali, it;s like 4 different states....
Up above San Francisco to Oregon
The bay area
Central Cali....where I'm fron
Socal
All totally dfferent from the others.
Where is that fire?
Up above San Francisco to Oregon
The bay area
Central Cali....where I'm fron
Socal
All totally dfferent from the others.
Where is that fire?
As i was reading this morning, California is on fire in more ways than one.
nypost.com
Perhaps the sickest thing about the rapid decline of blue states like New York and California, each rapidly shrinking in comparison to the rest of the country, is that the Democrats who dominate their governments can’t be bothered to stop the bleeding — but only to ensure their own turf remains whole.
A new analysis by reapportionment expert Jonathan Cervas suggests internal migration in advance of the 2030 Census will cost New York two House seats, and California four; Texas and Florida would gain eight, dramatically shifting political power and federal funding away from the deep-blue strongholds.
Of course the Empire State has been shrinking for decades, while the Golden State was gaining until 2000, with its House delegation shrinking for the first time ever after the last Census.
Yet the progressive Democrats who fully control both state government show zero sign of reversing their high tax, prodigious spending, crushing-regulation ways; their only response is to gerrymander ruthlessly so that their party retains its House-seat count.
Heck, as long as it’s mostly Republican voters who flee, they might even applaud the exodus.
So, California, if you want to see your future, just look at New York, which has been losing ground for nearly a century, losing House seats after every single 10-year census starting in 1940.
It’s now down to just 26, from 45 in the 1930s — and looking at 24 in 2031 if Cervas’ math proves true.
Fine: The early part of that decline had a lot to do with the climate, as air conditioning made life in many parts of the country far more tolerable; you can leave the land of near-zero winter temps and brutal snowstorms without melting in the summers.
But California’s climate remains as perfect as ever, yet it’s staring at a drastic drop come 2030 — its House delegation shrinking more than 10% in just two decades.
Without a doubt, the two states’ increasingly-lefty policies explains their shared decline.
Democratic policies “raise the cost on just about everything,” warns Upstate United’s Justin Wilcox.
New Yorkers pay more tax per capita than any other Americans; California is racing to catch up after taking a hard left turn in the late 1990s.
Progressive laws and regulations drive up housing costs, making it far more expensive and time-consuming to build.
Green anti-carbon (and anti-nuclear, for some reason) obsessions lead to exorbitant costs for electricity that also becomes less reliable.
Business taxes and regulations push away companies — and jobs, sending unemployment skyrocketing.
Plus, Dem rule lets lousy schools proliferate, allowing teacher unions and other vested interests to run public education systems to suit their needs, not the kids’.
And lefty social policies foster rampant homelessness and public drug use, as well as exploding crime.
The future looks more grim in both states: New York is eyeing statewide tax hikes to fund Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s socialist agenda, while the threat of a new “wealth tax” in Cali is already driving out top earners.
By contrast, Texas and Florida consistently rank among the most business-friendly states; neither has an income tax.
Don’t expect New York or California Democrats to copy that model.
Instead, they’re making sure they’re held harmless, by helping themselves to an ever-larger share of the pie their policies are shrinking.
In California, Dems just rammed through a new gerrymander openly designed to boost their share of the state’s 52 House seats from 40 to as many as 48; that’ll give them 92% of the seats, even though only 47% of voters are registered Democrats.
New York Democrats have been playing the same game; they already hold 19 of the state’s 26 seats and are now suing to steal New York City’s only GOP seat, ludicrously claiming that a district including Staten Island and nearby parts of Brooklyn somehow “dilutes black and Latino voting strength” simply because it repeatedly elects (centrist) Republicans — when the incumbent, Rep. Nicole Maliotakis, is Hispanic on her mom’s side.
Eventually, this strategy will fail: What does New York do if it finally drives the last of Wall Street away? California, if it kills Silicon Valley?
You can only drive away so many Republicans, and then independents, before you’ve turned a once-prosperous state into a ruin.
Dems don’t care about rapid decline of NY, Calif. — as long as THEIR piece of the pie stays fat
Dems don’t care about rapid decline of NY, Calif. — as long as THEIR piece of the pie stays fat
Americans are voting with their feet — moving to red states more than to blue ones — and it’s likely to cost New York two congressional seats and California four, a new analysis finds.
nypost.com
Perhaps the sickest thing about the rapid decline of blue states like New York and California, each rapidly shrinking in comparison to the rest of the country, is that the Democrats who dominate their governments can’t be bothered to stop the bleeding — but only to ensure their own turf remains whole.
A new analysis by reapportionment expert Jonathan Cervas suggests internal migration in advance of the 2030 Census will cost New York two House seats, and California four; Texas and Florida would gain eight, dramatically shifting political power and federal funding away from the deep-blue strongholds.
Of course the Empire State has been shrinking for decades, while the Golden State was gaining until 2000, with its House delegation shrinking for the first time ever after the last Census.
Yet the progressive Democrats who fully control both state government show zero sign of reversing their high tax, prodigious spending, crushing-regulation ways; their only response is to gerrymander ruthlessly so that their party retains its House-seat count.
Heck, as long as it’s mostly Republican voters who flee, they might even applaud the exodus.
So, California, if you want to see your future, just look at New York, which has been losing ground for nearly a century, losing House seats after every single 10-year census starting in 1940.
It’s now down to just 26, from 45 in the 1930s — and looking at 24 in 2031 if Cervas’ math proves true.
Fine: The early part of that decline had a lot to do with the climate, as air conditioning made life in many parts of the country far more tolerable; you can leave the land of near-zero winter temps and brutal snowstorms without melting in the summers.
But California’s climate remains as perfect as ever, yet it’s staring at a drastic drop come 2030 — its House delegation shrinking more than 10% in just two decades.
Without a doubt, the two states’ increasingly-lefty policies explains their shared decline.
Democratic policies “raise the cost on just about everything,” warns Upstate United’s Justin Wilcox.
New Yorkers pay more tax per capita than any other Americans; California is racing to catch up after taking a hard left turn in the late 1990s.
Progressive laws and regulations drive up housing costs, making it far more expensive and time-consuming to build.
Green anti-carbon (and anti-nuclear, for some reason) obsessions lead to exorbitant costs for electricity that also becomes less reliable.
Business taxes and regulations push away companies — and jobs, sending unemployment skyrocketing.
Plus, Dem rule lets lousy schools proliferate, allowing teacher unions and other vested interests to run public education systems to suit their needs, not the kids’.
And lefty social policies foster rampant homelessness and public drug use, as well as exploding crime.
The future looks more grim in both states: New York is eyeing statewide tax hikes to fund Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s socialist agenda, while the threat of a new “wealth tax” in Cali is already driving out top earners.
By contrast, Texas and Florida consistently rank among the most business-friendly states; neither has an income tax.
Don’t expect New York or California Democrats to copy that model.
Instead, they’re making sure they’re held harmless, by helping themselves to an ever-larger share of the pie their policies are shrinking.
In California, Dems just rammed through a new gerrymander openly designed to boost their share of the state’s 52 House seats from 40 to as many as 48; that’ll give them 92% of the seats, even though only 47% of voters are registered Democrats.
New York Democrats have been playing the same game; they already hold 19 of the state’s 26 seats and are now suing to steal New York City’s only GOP seat, ludicrously claiming that a district including Staten Island and nearby parts of Brooklyn somehow “dilutes black and Latino voting strength” simply because it repeatedly elects (centrist) Republicans — when the incumbent, Rep. Nicole Maliotakis, is Hispanic on her mom’s side.
Eventually, this strategy will fail: What does New York do if it finally drives the last of Wall Street away? California, if it kills Silicon Valley?
You can only drive away so many Republicans, and then independents, before you’ve turned a once-prosperous state into a ruin.
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