Elections California bans voter ID

[sickc0d3r]

The new law bans requiring ID. ID should be required to register and then some type of proof it's you when ypu vote.

No proof is required to register not even a SS card.

The voter registration application asks for your driver license or California identification card number, or you can use the last four numbers on your Social Security card. If you do not have a driver license, California identification card or Social Security card, you may leave that space blank. Your county elections official will assign a number to you that will be used to identify you as a voter.

The new law prohibits requiring id from everyone who’s voting in person. It has nothing to do with registration, and it doesn’t prohibit exceptions where registration is lacking some info

The law clearly states when you register that you have to be a citizen and over 18. If you leave the identifying criteria blank, you’ll have to provide something when you vote for the first time.

Are you saying you think people can register with no proof of their age or their citizenship, even though those things are required to register? Please go to their online registration and give it a try. If you’re successful and get a ballot under a fake name I will agree with you and change my opinion.

 

[panamaican]

The new law prohibits requiring id from everyone who’s voting in person. It has nothing to do with registration, and it doesn’t prohibit exceptions where registration is lacking some info

The law clearly states when you register that you have to be a citizen and over 18. If you leave the identifying criteria blank, you’ll have to provide something when you vote for the first time.

Are you saying you think people can register with no proof of their age or their citizenship, even though those things are required to register? Please go to their online registration and give it a try. If you’re successful and get a ballot under a fake name I will agree with you and change my opinion.

A lot of people are too obtuse to understand that registering to vote comes with restrictions. And people who can't prove who they are don't get registered. But understanding the system itself is far more complex than just assuming that no one ever thought to address the issue decades before the GOP decided the best way to win elections was to disenfranchise the voters.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

A lot of people are too obtuse to understand that registering to vote comes with restrictions. And people who can't prove who they are don't get registered. But understanding the system itself is far more complex than just assuming that no one ever thought to address the issue decades before the GOP decided the best way to win elections was to disenfranchise the voters.

The Tory government followed suit requesting photo ID to vote for the last general election when it had been absolutely been before and there was minimal evidence of any fraud that needed fixing.

The government’s own research shows millions of people may lack appropriate voter ID

This week’s Queen’s Speech confirmed that the government would be pushing ahead with the Electoral Integrity Bill.As we’ve outlined before, the bill would require voters to presen

www.electoral-reform.org.uk

This is why.

They wished to exclude as many people as possible.

 

[sickc0d3r]

A lot of people are too obtuse to understand that registering to vote comes with restrictions. And people who can't prove who they are don't get registered. But understanding the system itself is far more complex than just assuming that no one ever thought to address the issue decades before the GOP decided the best way to win elections was to disenfranchise the voters.

Seems like people want to believe in conspiracies and corruption, or maybe Trump fans are just used to incompetency.

 

[Kassitus]

Do people actually think Black people are too poor to get an ID? That's gotta be either dishonest or just super racist lol

 

[Helden]

Do people actually think Black people are too poor to get an ID? That's gotta be either dishonest or just super racist lol

Ok, another one with barely a surface level understanding of the topic...


Here's a dot point version:

- Its not about whether black people in general can afford IDs, its about shaving percentages off voting population with small hurdles
- Theres no evidence what so ever that theres mass scale voter fraud happening that will be fixed with IDs
- Republicans dont want voter ID because they care about election integrity (they were ready to throw democracy out the window for their 80 year old boy-king), they want as many roadblocks to voting as possible, because they rely on voter suppression to win.

There's no mandatory voting in US, and every roadblock to voting, no matter how insignificant it may seem on its own, will help Republican's win

 

[lsa]

Read the whole exchange. I'm not talking about the vote.

yesterday I was at the doc to do blood work, had to show my ID (drivers licence)
today I am spending way to much time going to the police to get a new ID.
Interestingly my drivers licence validation as ID is limited why I need to get another ID.
I expect today will be + 2 hours and approx 50 USD. Money and time well spent :-/

But as an adult with a job and my own place and bills to pay I need an ID..

 

[Jeffy37]

i've voted democrat twice and republican once, being trump. didn't vote for a president this time. so close.

Much respect. I miss judged you. My apologies.

 

[ssBaldy]

First time voters have to show ID but there are acceptable forms like a passport, student ID with name and picture, Driver's License, State ID.

Change that from first time voters to every time you vote and it's all good.
Also, preferrably, registering with a valid ID at a voting point should lock you out of voting anywhere else all over the country, including mail-in ballots. Same if you voted online they should not let you vote in person after that. (I mean during the same election).
The more lax the system the more ways to cheat it. It's not hard to memorize 4 numbers and a signature.

 

[SirRealKiller]

It is when you have to pay for it. Pretty easy to understand.

If you have to pay for gas or a bus to get there is that a poll tax?

 

[Fedor>Cain]

If you have to pay for gas or a bus to get there is that a poll tax?

Well...the Republicans want to get rid of mail in voting for this reason as well

You might be on to something there.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Identification is not a poll tax. By that dumbass logic gas money or bus fair to get there is a poll tax.

literally yes.

 

[SirRealKiller]

literally yes.

So bus fare and gas are poll taxes? We should give everyone free transportation to vote too?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

So bus fare and gas are poll taxes? We should give everyone free transportation to vote too?

again, literally yes.

 

[SirRealKiller]

again, literally yes.

You're a fucking clown if you believe that. You might as well just call yourself a communist and give everything they need for "free".

Not only are people not responsible for identifying themselves they aren't responsible for getting their own ass to the polls....lol

 

[Mittens]

For a smallcountry resident this makes no sense.

Of course everyone and their mother has an ID, and of course one is required when you vote here - that being the single most important thing in ones life and all. And the whole "registering" makes no sense either, that is automatic.

Not really commenting on it on the US of A, it must be much more complex issue to implement now etc. and probably both sides of the discussion have super valid points - as well as fucktards trying to cheat the system.

Just that the whole concept is so damn alien to me.

Gonna fetch a beer.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

You're a fucking clown if you believe that. You might as well just call yourself a communist and give everything they need for "free".

lmaoooo i mean i like some communism, though its not democratic enough for my tastes. love that you can't rationalize why free transportation is a bad thing, though.

 

[SirRealKiller]

lmaoooo i mean i like some communism, though its not democratic enough for my tastes. love that you can't rationalize why free transportation is a bad thing, though.

Ok, so buses and gas should be free? Fucking clown. GTFO with this commie BS.

Also explains why you don't want citizens to own guns. Hard for commies to dictate their ideology to an armed population.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

If you have to pay for gas or a bus to get there is that a poll tax?

Are you serious or just taking the piss, mate?

You HAVE to purchase your ID from your state government. There is no alternative means of procurement. If you must present id to vote, there is no other alternative to he given your ballot to vote.

All your comparisons to gas, or a bus, or buying shoes and clothes to wear, or whatever other silliness you come up with is just dumb.

It's a pretty simple solution - if you want voter id then tell your state reps to pass legislature to provide it free of charge to all voters without red tape or hoops to jump through like showing two piecesof mail or bank accounts etc (since that still disenfranchises people). Then it's no longer an unconstitutional poll tax.

 

[SirRealKiller]

Are you serious or just taking the piss, mate?

You HAVE to purchase your ID from your state government. There is no alternative means of procurement. If you must present id to vote, there is no other alternative to he given your ballot to vote.

All your comparisons to gas, or a bus, or buying shoes and clothes to wear, or whatever other silliness you come up with is just dumb.

It's a pretty simple solution - if you want voter id then tell your state reps to pass legislature to provide it free of charge to all voters without red tape or hoops to jump through like showing two piecesof mail or bank accounts etc (since that still disenfranchises people). Then it's no longer an unconstitutional poll tax.

That is what has been proposed by republicans, provide a free ID but that's still a no go for Dems.

And for gas and buses there are taxes you must pay to the government to buy those too, so either way your means to vote pays a "toll" to the government. If you should not be required to buy an ID to vote then you should also not be required to pay property tax with the threat of having your home taken if you don't. People not voting is a much lesser issue than people losing their homes to taxation. Taxation is a barrier to owning a home, but people do not seem so upset about that as someone paying small amount to buy an ID.