Elections California bans voter ID

[spamking]

I have to renew my ID and it costs money.

It does . . . a 4-year ID in Oklahoma is like $25, DL is $42.50.

 

[Islam Imamate]

It still baffles me that we get voter IDs for free in Oklahoma after identity verification during registration and that isn't the case across the US.

Even if they did folks would still find something to whine about.

This discussion has been beaten to death on here over the years, but let's be real . . . do you seriously believe the percentage of citizens who vote would go up significantly if everyone was issued a Federal voter ID card that would also work in State and local elections?

Do you acknowledge that the North Carolina GOP admitted in court that the voter ID law they passed in 2013 was intended to make it harder for blacks to vote?

If so, can you see why a reasonable person would be suspicious of such efforts in light of the fact that in at least one case it was openly stated in court that the purpose of the law was to make it harder for blacks to vote?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Pointing out that there is no compelling evidence of voter fraud does address the point because it suggests the system as is works just fine.

You're right about that, its about the GOP trying to make it harder for their outgroups to vote which, again, they have admitted to in the past.

We have systems in place to verify that voters are who they claim to be and have even prosecuted voter fraud, its just not a widespread problem.

Completely unconvincing. Free voter IDs would solve a lot of problems for the underprivileged but you don't care about that, because it's not about the IDS, it's about controlling the vote. If it's wasn't about that you'd be for giving everybody a free ID.

You're not because it's not about the ID.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Completely unconvincing. Free voter IDs would solve a lot of problems for the underprivileged but you don't care about that, because it's not about the IDS, it's about controlling the vote. If it's wasn't about that you'd be for giving everybody a free ID.

You're not because it's not about the ID.

What do you mean? Control the vote how?

 

[skysolo]

No it is not as long as the ID is free. That's why it's legal in the states that require it.

IDs aren't free in my state.

Even if they were, it would still be a barrier to voting because you would still have to get it in the first place.

 

[cincymma79]

IDs aren't free in my state.

Even if they were, it would still be a barrier to voting because you would still have to get it in the first place.

Barrier for who you lying ass

 

[skysolo]

Barrier for who you lying ass

"Lying ass". Is this your argument?

People with low income, people in rural areas, elderly people, people with disabilities, some minorities, people who were previously incarcerated.....

Should I go on?

The constitution removes barriers. This adds barriers.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

"Lying ass". Is this your argument?

People with low income, people in rural areas, elderly people, people with disabilities, some minorities, people who were previously incarcerated.....

Should I go on?

The constitution removes barriers. This adds barriers.

Would you agree with voter IDs if somebody from the state would bring them for free to whoever doesn't have one?

 

[Snubnoze707]

Venezuela has a more secure election process than California...

 

[BFoe]

till baffles me that we get voter IDs for free in Oklahoma after identity verification during registration and that isn't the case across the US.

Yup, seems like it would be easy enough to do if a party actually wanted to do it. Here in WI, we are the most gerrymandered state in the nation, Republicans have had a supermajority in the legislate for the past 15 years. They passed our voter ID law when Walker was governor, easily could have made free IDs simple if they wanted to.

Even if they did folks would still find something to whine about.

I don’t know about that, but since there’s no significant fraud in our elections, the best way to stop the “whining” is for the GOP to knock off their bullshit and stop trying to make it harder for people to vote.

This discussion has been beaten to death on here over the years, but let's be real . . . do you seriously believe the percentage of citizens who vote would go up significantly if everyone was issued a Federal voter ID card that would also work in State and local elections?

I don’t know, but I do believe that voter turnout goes down when republicans pass the types of voter ID laws that they do. Which of course is the whole point of them.

Voter Identification Laws and the Suppression of Minority Votes | IPPSR

ippsr.msu.edu

Wisconsin voter ID law still causing confusion, stifles turnout in Milwaukee, voting advocates say

The state's voter ID law has survived a number of legal challenges, but those who help voters navigate the law say confusion over its rules persists.

www.jsonline.com

 

[Gamer2k4]

A lot of poorer people don't have valid ID.

How do they get welfare and food stamps and all the rest? Don't you need ID for that?

I don’t know, but I do believe that voter turnout goes down when republicans pass the types of voter ID laws that they do. Which of course is the whole point of them.

If voter turnout goes down when people have to prove they are who they say they are, to me that sounds like a good thing. I don't want tens of thousands of unverified votes cast where the only validation we use is the honor rule.

 

[Dalarna3]

Except that elections are conducted by the states.

How do you expect the states to oversee military voters in foreign countries? Lol

Have the military oversee it and give them three electoral college votes but no representation like DC.

 

[spamking]

but since there’s no significant fraud in our elections, the best way to stop the “whining” is for the GOP to knock off their bullshit and stop trying to make it harder for people to vote.

Again, I'm not worried about fraud. But I do expect every voter to be prepared and able to verify their identity at some point in the process.

And I do agree that expressing our rights shouldn't be hard or subjected to ridiculous requirements . . . I'm looking at you GCA and NFA.

 

[andnowweknow]

If you aren't willing to get Id you aren't someone who should share their opinion on matters of the country. If you're not able to get an ID for any reason then you definitely shouldn't be eligible to vote... Pretty reasonable. How is this even a question?

Why are you so interested in solving non existent problems?

 

[BFoe]

How do they get welfare and food stamps and all the rest? Don't you need ID for that?

Aside from the fact that not all poorer people are on programs like SNAP, your argument doesn’t necessarily follow, no.

Example: you can verify your identity and age for SNAP benefits using immunization records or adoption records. Neither is valid form of ID for voting in any state I’m aware of.

And various states have different requirements. Example: in NC, you can prove your identity for SNAP with any government issued ID. But under their previous voting law (later struck down), they wouldn’t accept a State Employee ID for voting, which is a government-issued ID.

If voter turnout goes down when people have to prove they are who they say they are, to me that sounds like a good thing. I don't want tens of thousands of unverified votes cast where the only validation we use is the honor rule.

Well, it is not a good thing.
Examples: you can prove who you are with a college or university ID, but in many states including mine, that wasn’t acceptable ID until somebody sued and a judge forced the state to accept it. It took a lot of time and money to litigate, and who knows how many voters were disenfranchised by this.

NC banned the aforementioned state employee IDs as well as public assistance IDs, my state banned Veterans IDs… this isn’t a matter of people not being able to prove who they are. Its a matter of stupid and discriminatory laws that disenfranchise lawful voters.

Additionally, uneducated poll workers who don’t understand what is truly permissible or not under the law turn away voters who should be able to vote.

The whole thing is a convoluted mess that is totally unnecessary because we have no significant fraud in our elections, according to the data.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Why are you so interested in solving non existent problems?

why did California ban ID's?

 

[spamking]

NC banned the aforementioned state employee IDs as well as public assistance IDs

NC also now provides Voter IDs for free . . .

Get a Free Voter Photo ID | NCSBE

Don’t have an acceptable photo ID for voting? North Carolina registered voters can get one from their county board of elections.

www.ncsbe.gov

 

[sickc0d3r]

Wanting registered voters to prove they are who they say they are is looking for problems where none exist? Whether the chance of fraud is 5% or 75% why wouldn't every US citizen want to do everything possible to ensure our single votes are as equal as they can be?

People would still complain that it "isn't fair" or discriminatory.

Yes, it is looking for problems where none exist. There’s no significant fraud, and it certainly isn’t going to suddenly become a problem at in-person voting (think logically about it, who’s going to risk impersonating someone just to cast one vote which very likely will end up being tossed when the signatures don’t match, or the real voter votes and it’s flagged as a duplicate or whatever, and even if it’s counted it’s not making any difference unless thousands of people are also taking the same risk, and oh yeah they also need to be voting your way). So, yeah, the motive for these election year changes clearly isn’t to prevent fraud.

 

[spamking]

Yes, it is looking for problems where none exist. There’s no significant fraud, and it certainly isn’t going to suddenly become a problem at in-person voting (think logically about it, who’s going to risk impersonating someone just to cast one vote which very likely will end up being tossed when the signatures don’t match, or the real voter votes and it’s flagged as a duplicate or whatever, and even if it’s counted it’s not making any difference unless thousands of people are also taking the same risk, and oh yeah they also need to be voting your way). So, yeah, the motive for these election year changes clearly isn’t to prevent fraud.

Dude. Just stop. I've already said I'm not concerned about fraud so please stop pushing that into what I'm saying. How in the world do you determine who the "real voter" is without some form of identity verification within the process of registering to vote or during the act of voting? How do you determine whether a signature matches or not without some form of identity verification in the process of registering to vote or during the act of voting?

 

[cincymma79]

"Lying ass". Is this your argument?

People with low income, people in rural areas, elderly people, people with disabilities, some minorities, people who were previously incarcerated.....

Should I go on?

The constitution removes barriers. This adds barriers.

This is lying ass bullshit