Cain Velasquez is Mexican/isn't Mexican Thread ***Threads Merged***

[Coffee79]

i feel like you are one of those white people who say they are part native american...........ahh who am i kidding, most white people say that. Clear troll thread tho people.

Do yourself a favor and stop associating being an American with being white. I'm brown skinned and raised in Kansas. My race doesn't make me any less American than a white person.

 

[Coffee79]

Your vehement expectation that he handle his sense of identity vis a vis the country of his father's origin is narrow-minded.

No, it's what keeps a nation strong. There are too many people in this country who love lables like "African/Asian/Hispanic-American" and it weakens us culturally. Anyone who is an American citizen by birth or citizenship is an America, period.

 

[riddleofsteel]

And he got "Mexico" and "Si Se Puede" chants when he fought in Vegas and in Texas. Cain is a big deal to Mexicans and Mexican-Americans. Why is this some debate to some people?

Because to some people it is inconceivable.

The support happens in boxing, too.

I have no problem with it.

 

[FlavourPacket]

Ts, come on. You know its the giant tattoo on his chest about skin color.. This has been discussed ad nauseum.




Nice try, but the proper match here would have been a La Raza member and a neo-nazi.. You failed, although the guy in the first photo very well could be in La Raza and for argument's sake, i will pretend he is.

So no, I dont see much of a difference: both are special interest groups, both identify with their subculture/color/race (nothing inherently wrong there), both think their race is better (now we have a problem), both are idiots.

For argument's sake you'll assume the guy's in a gang? He works at a t-shirt website, which is where the photo came from. And the rest of the whole page of pictures was just a bunch of stencilled art tattoo shit. The page for "white pride" was a pile of swastikas and jackbooted skinheads. These are not two "special interest groups." You don't know what that term means. These are two phrases used by a variety of people and groups. In the case of "brown pride," it appears it's mostly tattoo and graffiti and t-shirt artists (and Cain himself is on the first page). In the case of "white pride," it's all Nazis. So that's a lot of effort that I assume will go to waste explaining this to you, since it was obvious in the first place. But there ya go.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

No, it's what keeps a nation strong. There are too many people in this country who love lables like "African/Asian/Hispanic-American" and it weakens us culturally. Anyone who is an American citizen by birth or citizenship is an America, period.

You make it sound so simple, and yet 200 years of American history suggest that assimilation of large immigrant populations is an often slow process. If Cain was spouting some revanchist bullshit about Aztlan, I would agree with your criticisms.

As it is, he has a mildly racial tattoo and likes the Mexican flag. This does not constitute much of a problem for the strength of America as a nation.

 

[Coffee79]

You make it sound so simple, and yet 200 years of American history suggest that assimilation of large immigrant populations is an often slow process. If Cain was spouting some revanchist bullshit about Aztlan, I would agree with your criticisms.

As it is, he has a mildly racial tattoo and likes the Mexican flag. This does not constitute much of a problem for the strength of America as a nation.

Nations cannot survive when populations don't assimilate. Look at Europe and their Muslim population. The fact is, we need more loyalty to America from immigrants from Mexico.

 

[Why did you]

It's all good until they start chating America.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Nations cannot survive when populations don't assimilate. Look at Europe and their Muslim population. The fact is, we need more loyalty to America from immigrants from Mexico.

I tend to agree that large populations unwilling to assimilate can be a serious problem.

I do not think Cain's obvious affection for Mexico and self-identification as Mexican is in the same category as pushing for Sharia law. There are radical Mexican revanchist groups like La Raza, but that does not mean every expression of Mexican identification coming from the broader Mexican immigrant community in the US is a problem.

 

[DGT4NOW]

No, it's what keeps a nation strong. There are too many people in this country who love lables like "African/Asian/Hispanic-American" and it weakens us culturally. Anyone who is an American citizen by birth or citizenship is an America, period.

You are clearly one of the better posters on here
Kudos

 

[vkram]

Mexican (mum) + Mexican (dad) = Mexican (Cain)

Cain is an American born Mexican.

 

[SirR]

Alexander Hamilton wasn't born in the United States.

Boom!
/thread

 

[Boomb]

He is american with mexican roots.

 

[Pastor Trimm]

????

 

[pridefc33]

Cain is Mexican

 

[PrinceOfPain]

No, it's what keeps a nation strong. There are too many people in this country who love lables like "African/Asian/Hispanic-American" and it weakens us culturally. Anyone who is an American citizen by birth or citizenship is an America, period.

Lol @ American culture.

 

[DGT4NOW]

Lol @ American culture.

I was going to reply with something & then saw you were from South Africa, where a quarter of the population unemployed and living on less than $1.25 (USD) a day.

:icon_twis

 

[TheGreatA]

Being American is too mainstream.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

I was going to reply with something & then saw you were from South Africa, where a quarter of the population unemployed and living on less than $1.25 (USD) a day.

:icon_twis

Funny. Seems your education system in the US must be worse than we have here (and that is fucking horrible) because you clearly do not know what the word "reply" means.
Lol @ American education.

Want to not reply again? Idiot.
lol

 

[Kirin]

Funny. Seems your education system in the US must be worse than we have here (and that is fucking horrible) because you clearly do not know what the word "reply" means.
Lol@ American education.

I think that's an oxymoron :icon_lol:

 

[Furious77]

If Cain had Mexican citizenship I think we would know what with how the UFC is trying to portray him as Mexican and people are saying he isn't. He's probably eligible for Mexican citizenship but I don't think he is a Mexican citizen.

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He grew up 30 minutes from the us/mexican border and spent alot of time in mexico growing up. I'm not Cains biggest fan but i think the backlash that hes getting is ridiculous. Its funny how patriotic people expect minorities to be in the United States when they're treated like second class citizens. Ive been to Arizona(where he was raised) and i can assure you that the fine citizens of that state were not adressing him an American. In fact i wonder how many times hes had to show documentation proving he was American.