butterfly is the best guard

[Mikey Triangles]

heh.

Are you the instructor at your gym?

I'm an assistant instructor. paul rodriguez is the head instructor here

 

[FLMikeATT]

ah.

 

[lethalazn]

Butterfly guard=hope for people with short legs like me....

 

[Chinaboxer]

butterfly guard works great nogi as well. It's a more aggressive guard and once you understand over/under, it becomes a real asset to your game.

 

[sunnycoastbjj]

Great thread, i also love playing from BFG and i think the biggest asset it has given my gaurd game is its really hard for anyone even larger guys to pass now.

Out of curiosity whats cross gaurd?

 

[codemonkey76]

Great thread, i also love playing from BFG and i think the biggest asset it has given my gaurd game is its really hard for anyone even larger guys to pass now.

Out of curiosity whats cross gaurd?

different people play cross guard different, but the one i have been learning is Robson Mauro's Cross Guard,
here is a pic

but basically, from open guard, put your left foot under your opponents right armpit and grip the inside of your opponents right knee crease with your left hand, and their right sleeve with a hook grip with your right hand, your right leg should be able to spin free and do various attacks/sweeps.

 

[masada555]

Codemonkey,

Can you explain "the importance of keeping the shin connected to the chest of the opponent" in a bit more detail?

Thanks.

 

[txfighter13]

There is not a best guard. You want your guard to be very flexible in the fact you can switch from different types of guards. My whole guard game centers around the spider guard (triangle,sweeps) de la riva (when he puts on knee on the ground) and butterfly (to hook sweep). I see what you mean about the unification, but I would work on everything.

 

[txfighter13]

cross guard is amazing. it was won many people world championships for many years.

 

[Mikey Triangles]

Codemonkey,

Can you explain "the importance of keeping the shin connected to the chest of the opponent" in a bit more detail?

Thanks.

there's a few reason's. most noteably so he doesn't slip his hand under; which will help him pass and avoid any possible submissions

 

[wOg]

I would say that the butterfly guard is the most under-used guard that shouldn't be.

I train with a lot of good guys with some very good open guards. And butterfly guard has been the guard that I've had to deal with the least.

The funny thing is that our instructor has an incredible butterfly/Z-guard game. But not a lot of students have emulated it.

It's also a shame because so many of the types of guys who say "damn, my closed guard sucks. I'll never have a good guard game" would probably benefit from switching to a butterfly/half/half butterfly guard more often.

At least that switch is working for me.

 

[codemonkey76]

Codemonkey,

Can you explain "the importance of keeping the shin connected to the chest of the opponent" in a bit more detail?

Thanks.

i have only begun learning butterfly guard so i would just be parroting instructionals, but when you sweep someone if you stay connected to them it is more leverage, if you have to extend your leg to connect and then sweep you use more strength, it also makes it harder for your opponent to flatten your back down to the mat

 

[FLMikeATT]

I would say that the butterfly guard is the most under-used guard that shouldn't be.

I train with a lot of good guys with some very good open guards. And butterfly guard has been the guard that I've had to deal with the least.

The funny thing is that our instructor has an incredible butterfly/Z-guard game. But not a lot of students have emulated it.

It's also a shame because so many of the types of guys who say "damn, my closed guard sucks. I'll never have a good guard game" would probably benefit from switching to a butterfly/half/half butterfly guard more often.

At least that switch is working for me.

remind me what the z guard is?

Isn't that when your in half guard on your side and put your knee (the one not trapped between his legs) on your opponents hip, cross your ankles locking the position, and make space? If this is it, I use this sometimes in conjunction with normal HG, half butterfly, and lockdown/deep HG.

 

[codemonkey76]

remind me what the z guard is?

Isn't that when your in half guard on your side and put your knee (the one not trapped between his legs) on your opponents hip, cross your ankles locking the position, and make space? If this is it, I use this sometimes in conjunction with normal HG, half butterfly, and lockdown/deep HG.

spot-on.

lockdown has to do with triangling the legs, deep half guard is when you are completely under your opponent hips, hanging off his leg like a sloth on a branch, with your head resting on his thigh/lap.

 

[FLMikeATT]

spot-on.

lockdown has to do with triangling the legs, deep half guard is when you are completely under your opponent hips, hanging off his leg like a sloth on a branch, with your head resting on his thigh/lap.

Also, what is quarter guard? I've seen this mentioned quite a few times, but I have no idea what it is.

 

[wOg]

FIGHTLIFE Gustavo Machado - The Half Guard & Quarter Guard

Right now my focus is on tightening up my half guard and adding the half butterfly.

I consider Z-guard and quarter guard to be the same sort of "open half guard", though there are differences.

I'm trying to use the half butterfly as a way of working my game up to these "open half guards" like Z-guard and quarter guard.

 

[Kimuralex]

quarter guard is like halfguard on the guys shin, the guy is almost passed but you still have a piece of his leg trapped meaning hes not on top side/mount yet.

for me quarter guard=im fucked....i dont understand how people call it a guard, its a weak position to be in, and a transitional one at that IMO

 

[wOg]

quarter guard is like halfguard on the guys shin, the guy is almost passed but you still have a piece of his leg trapped meaning hes not on top side/mount yet.

for me quarter guard=im fucked....i dont understand how people call it a guard, its a weak position to be in, and a transitional one at that IMO

That's Eddie Bravo's definition of the quarter guard from Jiu Jitsu Unleashed. I agree that it's not a great place to be.

The Z-guard and Machado's quarter guard are different.

 

[Kimuralex]

That's Eddie Bravo's definition of the quarter guard from Jiu Jitsu Unleashed. I agree that it's not a great place to be.

The Z-guard and Machado's quarter guard are different.

yea i know, i like z guard....i love to use it against bigger guys since they cant muscle themselves on top of me. i just started playing with zguard recently, it seems good to transition into leglocks on the opposite leg as well.

i think a while ago i seen the machado quarter guard, but i forgot about it and then just went with eddies definition. what is the machado quarter guard, do you have a picture?

 

[Chris H]

BFG is a great guard and in my opinion it and its variations are crucial to executing a good game off your back.