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[chairman11]

Quit complaining about fighter pay dipshits not like the fighters are the ones complaint just you bitches.View attachment 864019 View attachment 864020 View attachment 864021 View attachment 864022 View attachment 864023

Do you work for the ufc?

 

[GOATtalks]

This thread is absolute bullshit. The only comparable sports in terms of pay structure is boxing and tennis.

There are few boxing superstars that make more than UFC fighters, but mostly they are paid a bit less, than UFC fighters.

Tennis which is a global sport, pays similarly to MMA. At 2020 US Open the winner got paid 3 million dollars, runner-up 1,5 million, semi-finalists 800k, 1/4 finalists 425k.

 

[HockeyBjj]

just because some boxers are also paid like shit doesn’t mean ufc fighters aren’t paid like shit lol

This. Also, which of those boxing promoters is worth as much as the UFC?

It's about the share of revenue that goes to the fighters, vs goes to the UFC org admin.

 

[chillyoo]

Barrios not very well known but his 500k check is bigger than almost all those UFC stars.

hey they can always bare knuckle it up after their career for some real cash

 

[avenue94]

There are few boxing superstars that make more than UFC fighters, but mostly they are paid a bit less, than UFC fighters.

I can name dozens of boxers who make more than their equivaelent talent in mma or the UFC. You don't seem to understand that boxing and mma pay are comparable for most of the payscale.

Barrios not very well known but his 500k check is bigger than almost all those UFC stars.

hey they can always bare knuckle it up after their career for some real cash

I think the TS is a dumbass and thinks Barrios is a legit champ, and not just some random top 10 fighter in his division.

 

[SherdogFan23]

It's pretty massive given that those are mostly fighters on the downslope and none were stars. You don't see champions, the most valuable fighters, being able to shop around their services.

So instead of having the UFC pay fighters more, you'd rather those fighters work 9-5 jobs and not amuse us? And you're a fight fan, correct...?

And if that market is dysfunctional and dominated by a company with nearly unheard of levels of monopsony power and market concentration? Healthy competitive markets don't magically spring forth without regulation, and mma, just like boxing, is an industry that is more prone to abuse than most.

Said engineer would also not be banned from doing related contract work on their own time, nor would they be frozen out of their career for 3 or 4 years if they want to shop around for a new employer after finishing their contract. Not to mention, in your silly example, if the employer really liked their engineer and he finished a job, he would be required to keep working for them (champion's clause).

I believe in a free economy. Look at all of the freeloaders that won't go get jobs right now because the government has got involved and is giving them so much Covid-19 benefits that they don't want to search for a job.

Lots of contract workers have a lockout clause in their contract. If they quit their job or don't renew their contract they have to go for a time period (up to a year) where they can't work for a competitor. This has occurred for several TV newsroom newscasters/commentators who work for one network and then switch to another network.

The MMA world isn't unique on people feeling like they don't get their worth. Look at musicians. How often do you hear someone sing (or see/hear them win or do well on the X-Factor, American Idol, The Voice, etc) and think their voice is fantastic but they disappear after the show ends? The fact is that no music company sees a path to make big money with them. The only ones that make big money from these talent shows are the ones that have looks and/or personalities that attract lots of fans. The other 99% are starving musicians that spend their whole life dreaming the dream but likely working two jobs or living close to poverty (or even homeless).

So once again, why should ALL of the fighters get automatic higher pay? Most of them will fight a few fights and be dropped because they can't win fights. Another large group are so boring that they are just filler for the main events. Only the few that have very high talents and draw in fans will create high revenue for the UFC.

 

[315MMAFighter]

When you watch bums like them Paul bros box and make millions for doing it, it makes me feel really bad for the mmartists that get their wigs split and go home with 8k/8k

 

[avenue94]

I believe in a free economy.

And all signs point to the mma market being not a free economy. Market concentration metrics, freedom of movement for labor, etc, those are all red flags if you like competitive markets.

Lots of contract workers have a lockout clause in their contract.

The UFC's lockout clauses come out to about a year in total for the good fighters. Given the short length of a combat sports career, that's anywhere from 3-5 years in a normal 30 or 40 years career. How many freelancers by default have an exclusive negotiating period of 1 or 2 years?

Or take the champion's clause, how many freelance contracts have a clause where if you do a really good job on the project and are the best, you are automatically signed up for another few years of labor?

The MMA world isn't unique on people feeling like they don't get their worth. Look at musicians.

It's funny you say that given that modern mma contracts resemble old school record deals that musicians hated. Or ya know, you can reflect on the irony of mentioning musicians when mma fighters get no residuals from their footage.

So once again, why should ALL of the fighters get automatic higher pay?

I didn't say that. However, they should get the legal and regulatory tools that empower them to earn closer to their market value.

Only the few that have very high talents and draw in fans will create high revenue for the UFC.

And conversely, these by far are the most underpaid fighters.

 

[SherdogFan23]

And all signs point to the mma market being not a free economy. Market concentration metrics, freedom of movement for labor, etc, those are all red flags if you like competitive markets.

The UFC's lockout clauses come out to about a year in total for the good fighters. Given the short length of a combat sports career, that's anywhere from 3-5 years in a normal 30 or 40 years career. How many freelancers by default have an exclusive negotiating period of 1 or 2 years?

Or take the champion's clause, how many freelance contracts have a clause where if you do a really good job on the project and are the best, you are automatically signed up for another few years of labor?

It's funny you say that given that modern mma contracts resemble old school record deals that musicians hated. Or ya know, you can reflect on the irony of mentioning musicians when mma fighters get no residuals from their footage.

I didn't say that. However, they should get the legal and regulatory tools that empower them to earn closer to their market value.

And conversely, these by far are the most underpaid fighters.

You are obviously a fan of Socialism where people get money for free regardless of what they produce. Feel free to continue spewing invalid information to make your pretend points.

MMA is just as free as the other markets where contracts are created. I have known numerous people who were contract workers (but not fighters). The rules they signed prevailed. They didn't get one dime more than was spelled out. They were restricted by the details. Many of them had penalties for every little item that wasn't exact as written in the contract. I know an engineer right now that has a contract with a company I once worked at such that he can not work for any other competitor if he exits the contract. Given that his major experience is in that industry it would be a huge setback for him to change to a different company in a different industry for work.

Numerous musicians have wrote beautiful songs that would pay their bills for the rest of their life only to lose the full rights to the song because of a contract they signed with a music company. They easily have it just as bad as fighters if they blindly sign a contract.

As I mentioned at the beginning, you are obviously spelling out five words for a short sentence of contract items that are likely several hundred words to make an ignorant argument that is a waste of time. When you post the full contract wordage on this forum we can argue this. Otherwise you are just spewing garbage to make your pretend points.

 

[avenue94]

You are obviously a fan of Socialism where people get money for free regardless of what they produce.

What did I say or propose that was socialism? I'm proposing more capitalism.

They were restricted by the details.

Again, show me some contracts with 5 year exclusive negotiating periods/matching periods. Show me contracts that sign you up for another couple years of work if you do a good job and are the best in your field. I'm waiting...

I know an engineer right now that has a contract with a company I once worked at such that he can not work for any other competitor if he exits the contract.

How long is the non-compete? Does it ban him from working in similar industries, like UFC contracts that ban boxing or grappling matches?

When you post the full contract wordage on this forum we can argue this.

You're free to read Eddie Alvarez's contract if you want. There are a couple others that are public as well.

 

[Tweak896]

Everyone is skipping over content provided per dollar as well. Boxing pays their mega stars better but I'm not going to cry about someone making 10 million instead of 100 million.

All the other sports that people compare are sports which they play weekly or for a whole season. Many fighters fight once a year even. If you compare $ per minute of sports content, then UFC fighters might be overpaid. Boxing runs into the same issue.

Combat sports is grueling and fights can sideline people for months even. Also add in the amount of training put in for each fight. It's hard to imagine even Ngannou going out even once every other month to fight. More frequency in fights would add alot of value to what fighters bring.

 

[SherdogFan23]

What did I say or propose that was socialism? I'm proposing more capitalism.

Again, show me some contracts with 5 year exclusive negotiating periods/matching periods. Show me contracts that sign you up for another couple years of work if you do a good job and are the best in your field. I'm waiting...

How long is the non-compete? Does it ban him from working in similar industries, like UFC contracts that ban boxing or grappling matches?

You're free to read Eddie Alvarez's contract if you want. There are a couple others that are public as well.

Megyn Kelly at Fox News had a six month non-compete clause that she had to wait before working at NBC. This is supposedly typical for that line of work.

Every state is different. I don't think there is much on Federal law. Only California makes non-competes completely unenforceable, but I am not sure how that works with regard to a contract worker versus employee. Some states limit non-competes on certain professions (like doctors and newscasters). Illinois created a law recently to prohibit it on "employees" making less than $15 per hour. I would suspect that fighters making less than this on fighting contracts are lower level and probably already working a second job along with their fighting career. I doubt there is anything that specifically protects MMA fighters and other martial artists in any state. Perhaps they should investigate the California law and change residency before negotiating a contract if it covers contract workers and employees.

 

[avenue94]

Megyn Kelly at Fox News had a six month non-compete clause that she had to wait before working at NBC. This is supposedly typical for that line of work.

That's nothing compared to a UFC's exclusive negotiating period/matching period. You can be a talking head on TV till the day you die. An elite fighter's career will most likely be between 5-10 years, if they're lucky. In practical terms, the UFC's non-compete language would be the equivalent of having a 4 or 5 year non-compete. Those exist, but would be insane in most industries and just not viable.

Only California makes non-competes completely unenforceable, but I am not sure how that works with regard to a contract worker versus employee.

California's law applies to contractors as well, boxers have used the law before, as have actors. Nevada bans overly broad non-competes (for example, you can't ban a gaming worker from working at every casino statewide, which would appear to have relevance since the UFC bans fighters from boxing or grappling by default). I suspect Canada has tighter regulations on contracts, and several other states regulate them as well.

Perhaps they should investigate the California law and change residency before negotiating a contract if it covers contract workers and employees.

Maybe, but you still would have to wait 7 years, which is effectively all a fighter's prime, and possibly even their entire career.

 

[D'z]

TS, you get paid per post, an hourly, salary....what?

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

multiple time defending champion who has not lost in the UFC can't even break 1 fucking million in a multi BILLION dollar organization.

Meanwhile Kayla Harrison is smashing soccer moms who took MMA classes for a million.

uFc PaYs LiKe ShIt, @Chosen

Kayla is a bigger draw

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

lemme know when the ufc has a comparable business relationship with their athletes to other pro sports. actually don't bro you got enough of my dick in your mouth for one lifetime in just one thread smh

Lemme know when UFC athletes grow some balls and go on strike like the other sports did to get collective bargaining

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

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Boxing is top heavy, add undercard fighters

 

[Doom]

Lemme know when UFC athletes grow some balls and go on strike like the other sports did to get collective bargaining

yeah no shit right

 

[avenue94]

Lemme know when UFC athletes grow some balls and go on strike like the other sports did to get collective bargaining

Unions/PAs precede most of the strikes in other sports. Not to mention their big gains in pay came from competition and/or free agency more than anything else.

How would even a strike in mma be viable with the UFC's current business model?

 

[SherdogFan23]

That's nothing compared to a UFC's exclusive negotiating period/matching period. You can be a talking head on TV till the day you die. An elite fighter's career will most likely be between 5-10 years, if they're lucky. In practical terms, the UFC's non-compete language would be the equivalent of having a 4 or 5 year non-compete. Those exist, but would be insane in most industries and just not viable.

California's law applies to contractors as well, boxers have used the law before, as have actors. Nevada bans overly broad non-competes (for example, you can't ban a gaming worker from working at every casino statewide, which would appear to have relevance since the UFC bans fighters from boxing or grappling by default). I suspect Canada has tighter regulations on contracts, and several other states regulate them as well.

Maybe, but you still would have to wait 7 years, which is effectively all a fighter's prime, and possibly even their entire career.

It doesn't matter. Unless there is a law that prevents it, the person signing the contract should know that they are signing it and the legal agreement holds if the UFC is following laws properly. In the case of UFC contracts, it appears that the information is shared among fighters. This means they know what they are getting into before they signed it. It also doesn't matter if Bellator and One have similar contracts. They can choose to do something else for a living otherwise. I don't feel sorry for them any more than the rest of the people who are struggling to make a living.

This reminds me of some previous NFL players that agreed to a five year (or whatever contract) and then decided to hold out returning for the next season after some other player got a huge contract. I am not familiar with any of the professional sport contracts any more but MLB once had a contract system where a team could match any offer by other teams for players who were new free agents from their team.