- Joined
- Jan 31, 2011
- Messages
- 1,510
- Reaction score
- 853
If the UFC simply shared 30% instead of 20%, then fighter salaries would get raised by 50%.
This would shut a lot of us up.
This would shut a lot of us up.
Media BuT uFc PaYs LiKe S---
- Thread starter Chosen
- Start date
- Joined
- Jan 6, 2003
- Messages
- 25,259
- Reaction score
- 27,607
This 18% rev split is absolute bullshit. The only thing worse is the “fans” who actually back up the UFC and justify their unjust treatment of the fighters who put their lives on the line for our entertainment. To compound the issue they are independent contractors who have no benefits for their families and aren’t allowed to test free agency or fight cross promotion (or platform I/e boxing) to make their fair wage. The only ones more disgusting than the promotion are the DW parrots that actually believe it’s fair and back the tyrannical billion dollar Corp. over the fighters who quite literally put their lives on the line and get shafted in the end. Our favorites like GSP, Andy, Jones, MM, Randy, etc etc etc have spoken out about the unfair treatment and yet you still would rather your money go towards DW and his 60th quarterly bonus…. Fucking disgusting.
the fighters don't put their lives on the line for "our entertainment", they do it for money and ego just like anybody else who has to work for a living, give me a break. if it was for our entertainment there wouldn't be any fighters people consider boring.
- Joined
- Oct 7, 2011
- Messages
- 4,338
- Reaction score
- 742
The contract prevails. If you signed a contract and are promised X amount in your contract and you whine because you don't get more than what was promised then you have no grounds for whining.
The market is based on competition. Nothing keeps a new organization from starting up and signing fighters to contracts.
The market is based on competition. Nothing keeps a new organization from starting up and signing fighters to contracts.
Nothing except all the contract provisions that serve as massive barriers to entry if you want to sign elite fighters?
- Joined
- Jan 22, 2006
- Messages
- 6,943
- Reaction score
- 21,751
Ok bud well they put their lives on the line, and we are entertained. Money is a byproduct of us watching them compete and being fans of the sport (ppv sales, advertising, live gate, etc). The original point still stands no matter how you attempt to dissect or dilute my statement. We pay to watch them and they in return get an abysmal amount of trickle down profits.
Always cracks me when ppl say the solution to fighter pay is to just to buy PPVs, even though each PPV is a only a dollar or two for fighters with the UFC taking the remaining 30 or 35 bucks.
- Joined
- Jan 22, 2006
- Messages
- 6,943
- Reaction score
- 21,751
The obvious solution is to pay a higher percentage of revenue to fighters. Paying 18% and no sponsorships coupled with iron clad long term contracts that stop their “independent contractors” from actually competing cross promotion or in boxing etc leave them in a ridiculously weak position to get fair wage comparatively to the profits they bring the UFC. It’s a compounded issue that “fans” seem to shill for the tyrannical corp as opposed to taking an honest look at how the rosters are paid in every other major sporting event.
- Joined
- Oct 7, 2011
- Messages
- 4,338
- Reaction score
- 742
It must not be too massive if Bellator has numerous ex-UFC fighters in it. A fighter can sign with a different organization if they don't like the provisions of the UFC. Otherwise they can change careers at no cost at all. That is what the rest of us do. We don't gain from whining because somebody else makes more money in a different industry (or sport). It is reality that certain industries are bigger than others and thus are going to have more competition and higher payouts.
This is elementary business in play. No company is going to pay out more than competitive value for services. As an example: If an engineer makes 100K per year no other company is going to suddenly pay them 200K per year just because the company has big profits and it is more fair. The employee will get market value. If the market is big enough then new competitors will enter and cause changes to occur.
Yup. Bumping a fighter from 10 percent of event revenue to 15 percent of event revenue is worth more than the PPV points for nearly every PPV the UFC puts on.
Yeah, it's a long shot, but the UFC's abuse of independent contractor classifications is a poster child of that problem these days.
It's pretty massive given that those are mostly fighters on the downslope and none were stars. You don't see champions, the most valuable fighters, being able to shop around their services.
So instead of having the UFC pay fighters more, you'd rather those fighters work 9-5 jobs and not amuse us? And you're a fight fan, correct...?
And if that market is dysfunctional and dominated by a company with nearly unheard of levels of monopsony power and market concentration? Healthy competitive markets don't magically spring forth without regulation, and mma, just like boxing, is an industry that is more prone to abuse than most.
Said engineer would also not be banned from doing related contract work on their own time, nor would they be frozen out of their career for 3 or 4 years if they want to shop around for a new employer after finishing their contract. Not to mention, in your silly example, if the employer really liked their engineer and he finished a job, he would be required to keep working for them (champion's clause).
- Joined
- Jan 6, 2003
- Messages
- 25,259
- Reaction score
- 27,607
no, i'm not trying to dilute your statement. sure, fighters deserve a better cut, but portraying them as some noble gladiator that does this simply for the entertainment of the crowd is really grasping. the vast majority are doing it for their shot at money and fame.
you also portrayed them as fighting being their only way to survive when that's also untrue. they can get a regular job like everyone else, like Kole Konrad.
- Joined
- Jan 30, 2015
- Messages
- 10,614
- Reaction score
- 7,912
UFC shills in 2021
<{ByeHomer}>
![[<diva2]](https://i.imgur.com/MGiu8g2.png "Diva1 [<diva2]")
<{ByeHomer}>
- Joined
- Jan 22, 2006
- Messages
- 6,943
- Reaction score
- 21,751
Never portrayed them as “noble gladiators” especially since gladiators of old were essentially slaves forced into life and death battles UFC fighters are obviously paid albeit unfairly by revenue percentage. There isn’t any reason for you and I to continue a back and forth since it sounds as though you agree that they do indeed deserve a better cut. Have a good rest of your evening.
- Joined
- Jul 4, 2020
- Messages
- 6,234
- Reaction score
- 9,126
If you can't sell or put on entertaining fights, you're in the wrong business.
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2009
- Messages
- 808
- Reaction score
- 1,005
In no way shape or form was I defending the ufc. They absolutely pay the fighters like shit. I wish the fighters would unite and form a cba/union/ something. I was just pointing out to the fact that earnings may be more/less than reported.
Some people would unironically agree with your thread.
Discretionary bonuses in 2020 came out to less $5 million. They're effectively insignificant if you're discussing fighter pay as a whole.
That’s funny but that was just some party. His contract I think is 2035. So
Unreal.
- Joined
- Oct 10, 2020
- Messages
- 2,357
- Reaction score
- 4,561
