International British SAS 'Killed 9 People in Their Beds', Inquiry Finds

[Siver!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67054702

UK special forces killed nine people "in their beds" during an Afghanistan night raid, an independent inquiry has heard.

Family members say the victims were unarmed civilians. The SAS had claimed they acted in self-defence.

Senior officers suspected troops of carrying out a policy of executing "fighting age" men even if they posed no threat.

The government announced the inquiry after BBC Panorama revealed an SAS squadron killed 54 people in suspicious circumstances on one six-month tour.

As substantive hearings got under way at the Royal Courts of Justice in London on Monday, UK special forces were accused of "abusing" night raids in order to commit "numerous" extra-judicial killings - which were allegedly later covered up.

Hundreds of deliberate detention operations were carried out by special forces between 2010 and 2013.

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Lead counsel to the inquiry, Oliver Glasgow KC, set out the details of seven separate kill/capture missions involving the deaths of 33 people, including a number of children.

The alleged unlawful killings of the nine people in the Nad Ali district of Helmand is understood to have occurred as a number of families gathered before a wake on 7 February 2011.

They were sleeping in a single-roomed outbuilding.

The SAS said they had fired in self-defence having been fired upon. Mr Glasgow pointed out the low height of what appear to be bullet holes in the walls of the outbuilding, first revealed by the BBC last year.

Allegations of cover-ups of illegal activity and inadequate investigations by the Royal Military Police (RMP) will also be examined.

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Pretty crazy story that the inquiry has been able to cut through everything to basically dispute the stories told by those in charge at the time.

It will be interesting to see who gets charged with what and how far the inquiry is able to continue to go.

 

[Teppodama]

absolutely 100% don't care. Death is death. Doesn't matter if its civilian or not. Those types of designations are only there so politicians can push the blame to someone else. Death is death. Either acknowledge that or put down your weapons.

 

[The XL]

West gonna West. They'll kill innocents, pretend nothing happened, hold no one accountable, then gaslight the shit out of Middle Eastern countries whenever they do anything

 

[My Spot]

Nothing will happen just like nothing happened to the operators who executed an unarmed OBL.

 

[tastaylvr]

West gonna West. They'll kill innocents, pretend nothing happened, hold no one accountable, then gaslight the shit out of Middle Eastern countries whenever they do anything

It's fine if you kill millions of people for no reason apparently as long as nobody said it was for God. As long as you say "we don't intentionally kill civilians" it somehow magically absolves you of any responsibility.

Western media has done a number on the world this last century.

 

[oldshadow]

Depending on who they were would be the determining factor if I cared or not.

If they were ided as enemy combatants and/or terrorists then I would not care. Why give them any chance. It's a good operation if they never got the chance to get to ther weapons.

If they were true civilians then that's different.

 

[The XL]

It's fine if you kill millions of people for no reason apparently as long as nobody said it was for God. As long as you say "we don't intentionally kill civilians" it somehow magically absolves you of any responsibility.

Western media has done a number on the world this last century.

Look at all the mouth breathers who freak the fuck out whenever non Western countries do anything but completely ignore when their own country does anything. These aren't serious people. They lack morals and have brain rot from decades of government and media propaganda.

 

[fingercuffs]

Look at all the mouth breathers who freak the fuck out whenever non Western countries do anything but completely ignore when their own country does anything. These aren't serious people. They lack morals and have brain rot from decades of government and media propaganda.

Okay examples of countries and... examples please.

 

[Yehudim]

Nothing will happen just like nothing happened to the operators who executed an unarmed OBL.

 

[Billy no mates]

Marine 'A' was convicted for a less serious seeming crime soon after it was committed in Helmand back in 2011 , but after so much time I doubt there's the political will to hold our 'superarmysoldiers' to account unless the case rumbles on until there is a change of government .

 

[tastaylvr]

Okay examples of countries and... examples please.

America. Every war they participated in? Millions dead in Iraq/Syria/Afghanistan/etc

Then there is the CIA and how they help destroy South America for cheaper resources.

Genocide in Guatemala for the United Fruit Company. etc etc

 

[Orgasmo]

No wonder the West couldn't win hearts and minds in the country after nearly 2 decades.

Family members say the victims were unarmed civilians. The SAS had claimed they acted in self-defence.

Senior officers suspected troops of carrying out a policy of executing "fighting age" men even if they posed no threat.

The government announced the inquiry after BBC Panorama revealed an SAS squadron killed 54 people in suspicious circumstances on one six-month tour.

As substantive hearings got under way at the Royal Courts of Justice in London on Monday, UK special forces were accused of "abusing" night raids in order to commit "numerous" extra-judicial killings - which were allegedly later covered up.

Hundreds of deliberate detention operations were carried out by special forces between 2010 and 2013.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67054702

 

[SandisLL]

I don't think that west needs understanding and respect from some middle east etc inhabitants.
They should stay in their countries and if come to western countries to act according to rules and laws in western countries and also to respect their culture.
This reality.

 

[SandisLL]

Next chapter: guys from my area had served in Afganistan mainly to do de mining , to guard humanitarian supplies deliveries and bases ...

While we for criminals control in our country do have 1. Police etc .... 2. Riot control units .... 3. Anti terrorism units and... 4. Special tasks forces....
Riot control and even anti terrorism units are Santa claus if compare with special tasks force unit..
Sometimes they are used when situation is difficult and for example terrorists or armed + on high criminals had captured ppl.
Sometimes they manage to help capture criminals etc and these are in normal shape after this, sometimes NO....

It is real life.

 

[fingercuffs]

No wonder the West couldn't win hearts and minds in the country after nearly 2 decades.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67054702

Anyone not being arsed to read the whole article, holy fuck. Gobsmacked.

 

[SandisLL]

I even might agree that westerners doesn't have business in Afganistan.
It is their area and if they will sit in Afganistan we should not touch them. Your area, your rules and your business, IMHO.

However we do have terrorism attempts and crimes etc in our countries... So triggering in mentality and approach happens.....

 

[tastaylvr]

there is a thread on this already

 

[Hdfi]

We need a global military alliance to keep the West in line. They are out of control and will start WW3 by invading China.

 

[650lb Sumo]

The UK kidnaps/extraordinarily renders people, tortures them, hands them over to foreigners to be tortured, commits war crimes, cooperates with organised criminals and terrorists and employs SAS/SBS death squads - in and outside of war zones, including in the UK, in and out of uniform. It takes a while for a fraction of the information to filter out. Older posters may remember various illegal operations in Ireland coming to light.

 

[moosaev]

SAS, Seal Team 6, and Australian SAS all have documented strings of horrific abuses in Afghanistan particularly, a lot of it stems from the culture of the Special Ops community and also the wide birth they're given by their governments. The Navy SEALs for example are one of the best recruiting and marketing tools for the US Navy so the Navy literally sweeps everything they do under the rug, even though they're known to be the most undisciplined shit bag unit in the entire US military. Civilians think they're cool so the Pentagon protects them. The SAS is greatly revered in the UK and has legendary status in military circles around the globe, the average SAS operator thinks their shit doesn't stink and they've likely seen how their misdeeds get swept under the rug by the British government so it breeds a culture of impunity. Add to that a deep dehumanization of Afghans and some good ole racism and these atrocities are what you get.

Finally, we should really stop this nonsense about how Western militaries adhere to international law, they absolutely do not.