International Brexit Discussions v11: U.K and Switzerland sign post-Brexit financial services deal

[Teen Wolf]

 

[aitkenmike]

The EU should have known that the UK deal in bad faith, and can't be held to their word. They Tory Govt constantly treats domestic politics like this, so why won't the EU accept it in their relations too?

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

But I thought it would be fine?

They have never had a clue (or cared outside lies to get DUP support) about Ireland. At the time he made that statement Karen Bradley was the Northern Ireland secretary iirc. Several months into the job she said she didn’t realise republicans always vote for republicans and unionists always vote for unionist

 

[Supereem]

Well sorry about that, it’s only just happened, these things take time and the complete process is not even finished yet.

Would you comment to a newly divorced person within weeks of their break up that they are still single so therefore it was all a mistake?

Give it chance.

The key benefit worth noting is that UK can now negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world and import goods at fair prices rather than be crippled by EU restraints.
The freedom of movement was also getting out of control and should never have applied to Britain as it’s an island, whereas mainland Europe is a very large landmass where freedom of movement makes sense.

This is satire right?

 

[FIGHTING TALK]

Give it a chance? Thought they had an oven ready deal?

It's a fucking shitshow and if you were as clued up as you say you are you'd see that.

Just because the current government are lead by incompetent bell ends does not alter the fact that leaving the EU suits the nation as a whole.

If your divorce lawyer turned out to be an alcoholic meth addicted rapist it would not alter the fact that leaving your spouse was the correct move.

 

[deise69]

Just because the current government are lead by incompetent bell ends does not alter the fact that leaving the EU suits the nation as a whole.

If your divorce lawyer turned out to be an alcoholic meth addicted rapist it would not alter the fact that leaving your spouse was the correct move.

In this case the UK has had a mid-life crisis and decided to get a divorce because they were catfished on tinder. Now instead of traveling the world with a supermodel , theyre sitting in bedsit in Bognor with a bottle of Buckfast in one hand and their dick in the other.

 

[Billy no mates]

theyre sitting in bedsit in Bognor with a bottle of Buckfast in one hand and their dick in the other.

You say that like its a bad thing .

 

[FIGHTING TALK]

In this case the UK has had a mid-life crisis and decided to get a divorce because they were catfished on tinder. Now instead of traveling the world with a supermodel , theyre sitting in bedsit in Bognor with a bottle of Buckfast in one hand and their dick in the other.

Lmao this is nailing the correct.
There’s still the rest of time ahead of us though, no one should settle for remaining in an abusive relationship.
“But will someone just think of the children (Scotland & NI)”

 

[Oceanmachine]

In this case the UK has had a mid-life crisis and decided to get a divorce because they were catfished on tinder. Now instead of traveling the world with a supermodel , theyre sitting in bedsit in Bognor with a bottle of Buckfast in one hand and their dick in the other.

The good times are around the corner the UK will become like a Singapore type economy

 

[deise69]

The good times are around the corner the UK will become like a Singapore type economy

Doesn't seem to be working out that way and its only going to get worse in July, when the grace period ends. The UK has painted itself into a corner and now it's saying it wont honour the agreement it made.

 

[Oceanmachine]

Doesn't seem to be working out that way and its only going to get worse in July, when the grace period ends. The UK has painted itself into a corner and now it's saying it wont honour by the agreement it made.

This is short term. In mid to long term it will bounce back all the data shows

 

[deise69]

This is short term. In mid to long term it will bounce back all the data shows

Yeah I'm sure the rest of the world cannot wait to sign a trade agreement, with a country that will not honour the one it signed 6 months ago.

 

[JDragon]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...l-force-of-eu-fury-as-brexit-wrecks-g7-summit
The Observer


‘Mistrusted’ Johnson feels full force of EU fury as Brexit wrecks G7 summit
European leaders made their feelings about the Northern Ireland protocol known to a PM desperate to score a PR victory

Toby Helm & Heather Stewart
Sun 13 Jun 2021

The setting is a small English village on the Cornish coast, but the message that Boris Johnson wants projected from the beachside summit in Carbis Bay is one of big British influence across the globe.

The three-day G7 meeting of world leaders, which ends on Sunday, was identified months ago by the prime minister as the moment to launch his vision of a confident post-Brexit “global Britain”.

The UK, newly independent and sovereign, would show itself to be anything but diminished, having wrested itself free of Brussels.

On the contrary, it would boldly lead initiatives on arguably the two greatest global challenges of our times: the battle to vaccinate the world against Covid-19, and the fight to save it from the destructive effects of the climate crisis. There would be other issues, too, for the UK hosts to show off their leadership abilities, including efforts to devise a new G7 strategy towards China, and rallying more support for girls’ education in developing nations.
But after two full days of seaside photo-ops and largely pre-cooked announcements, including a new US-UK Atlantic charter modelled on the historic statement made by Churchill and Roosevelt on the postwar world order, one narrow, familiar and hugely dangerous issue was overshadowing progress elsewhere: Brexit.

Unhappiness at the UK’s attitude to Brexit and its potential effect on the Good Friday agreement was undermining Johnson’s summit power plays and his relations with fellow G7 leaders. Tensions over the Northern Ireland issue were preoccupying Joe Biden at his first G7 as US president and causing real anger in the French and German delegations.
The reason for much of the EU’s irritation was a feeling that the UK under Johnson simply could not be trusted. Throughout recent weeks, and on Saturday, the prime minister made it clear he would be prepared to unilaterally delay the full implementation of the Northern Ireland protocol – part of the Brexit withdrawal agreement – in order to prevent a ban on some foodstuffs, including sausages, crossing the Irish Sea from Great Britain.

Restrictions on British-produced chilled meats entering Northern Ireland are due to come into force at the end of this month as part of Brexit deals struck (and much hailed by the prime minister at the time) with the EU to protect its single market.

On Saturday in a “triple whammy” of meetings, beginning at 8am with Macron, Merkel and then European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and European council president Charles Michel, the Europeans’ fury at Johnson for going back on treaty deal became clear. Their annoyance is unlikely to have been lifted by the presence at all the meetings of Lord Frost, the UK’s chief Brexit negotiator, who was wearing union jack socks. Biden had made his views on the threat to the Good Friday agreement known in no uncertain terms before the summit began, issuing orders to the UK side to sort the matter out quickly, through compromise.

At his meeting with the PM, Macron told Johnson, according to well-placed summit sources, that Franco-British relations could only be “reset” if he stood by the Brexit divorce deal he had signed with the EU. “The president told Boris Johnson there needed to be a reset of the Franco-British relationship. This can happen provided that he keeps his word with the Europeans,” the source said. For his part Johnson accuses the EU of being inflexible and “purist” over the legally binding agreements.

Foreign policy experts and former British diplomats said that while the summit may have its successes on advancing initiatives on climate change and vaccinations for developing countries, it had also shown the UK to be distrusted and therefore unable to be a true global leader. Sir Nigel Sheinwald, a former UK ambassador to Washington, said: “The lesson of this week is that you can’t have a global Britain which is genuinely respected and influential and impactful around the world if people doubt your basic bona fides. There is no point in writing new Atlantic charters which depend on mutual trust, mutual confidence and the rule of law when you are operating as chancers.”

Sheinwald added that Biden would now be expecting Johnson to solve the Northern Ireland impasse with the EU. “After making the stand they did, the Americans will know that they will look rather ineffective if a negotiated settlement to this is not found, so the stakes are quite high.”

Lord Peter Ricketts, a former permanent secretary at the Foreign Office and also an ex-UK ambassador to France, said Johnson was finding out that it was not possible to have good bilateral relations with France and Germany while treating the EU like an enemy.

“We have haemorraghed and squandered trust,” said Ricketts. “They announced the new Atlantic charter two days ago which has bold lines about sustaining international law and the norms of standards and international cooperation, that we will uphold the rules based order, and then we threaten to walk away from a deal that we signed 18 months ago, so there is a total lack of coherence there which I think people sense.

“In these bilaterals with Macron and Merkel – rather than thrashing out a policy on China which is in our and Biden’s own interests – instead leaders are distracted by having to make these polemical points about Europe.”

Another former UK ambassador to Washington and the EU, Kim Darroch, said that Johnson had failed in his big ambition for the summit: “An international agreement is not an a la carte menu from which you can choose what you like and ignore the rest. Once you sign off on it you have to implement it properly and fully. Global Britain is not going to work unless we are seen to live up to our commitments.”

 

[Teen Wolf]

Australia trade deal to save each UK household 'up to' £1.22 a year on imported good.

Brilliant.

 

[deise69]

 

[Arkain2K]

French minister Beaune: running out of patience with UK on Brexit/fishing situation
By REUTERS | September 23, 2021​

French European Affairs Minister Clement Beaune said on Thursday that he was running out of patience with the UK regarding resolving post-Brexit fishing rights between the UK and France, as diplomatic tensions between the two countries simmer.

"We are at the end of our patience. We are continuing our fight," Beaune told a French parliamentary hearing, while adding that Britain's position over the situation was "unsportsmanlike."

French vessels want to keep fishing in the waters off the English Channel Islands, but a dispute over the licences earlier this year led both France and Britain to send patrol vessels off the shores of Jersey - a self-governing British Crown Dependency.

Beaune's criticism came a day after UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson told France to get a grip and give allies in the United States and Australia a break over a row about a trilateral nuclear submarine deal that tore up a separate French contract. read more

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/fr...e-with-uk-brexitfishing-situation-2021-09-23/

 

[Arkain2K]

UK's Johnson Concedes US Trade Deal Not in the Offing
By Associated Press Wire Service Content • Sept. 22, 2021​

LONDON (AP) — British Prime Minister Boris Johnson conceded Wednesday that a post-Brexit trade deal with the U.S. was not imminent as he voiced confidence that the decades-long U.S. ban on imports of British lamb would be lifted.

A day after President Joe Biden downplayed the prospect of a trade deal by not pushing back on a suggestion that Britain was at the back of the line, Johnson said British farmers, notably those in Wales, would soon be able to export lamb to the U.S. once again.

“I can tell you today that what we’re going to get from the United States now is a lifting of the decades old ban, totally unjustified, discriminating on British farmers and British lamb,” he told reporters outside the U.S. Capitol in Washington. “It’s about time too. And what we’re wanting to do is make solid incremental steps in trade.”

Despite Johnson’s claims the U.S. would be lifting the ban on British lamb, his office at Downing Street later said the details still needed to be worked out.

The U.S. has banned the import of British beef and lamb since 1989, as a result of BSE ((bovine spongiform encephalopathy), which is widely known as “mad cow disease.” The ban on beef has already been lifted.

Phil Stocker, chief executive of the National Sheep Association, said farmers were delighted by the announcement. He said the domestic lamb market accounts for between 60-65% of production, with the European Union the biggest export market.

“However, access is more difficult than it was when we were part of the EU,” Stocker said. "It’s essential to maintain EU access but it is also important to work on any market that gives us future potential.”

These modest piecemeal trading arrangements are a far cry to what Johnson and other Brexit backers were pushing for when campaigning for Britain's departure from the EU back in 2016. They argued that one of the great prizes of leaving the bloc would be an overarching trade deal with the U.S. that would see tariffs and quotas eliminated on a wide array of goods. Although the U.S. alone is the U.K.'s biggest trading partner, the EU countries as a whole account for around half of the U.K.'s trade in goods and services.

“The Biden administration is not doing free trade deals around the world right now but I’ve got absolutely every confidence that a great deal is there to be done,” Johnson said.

Unlike his predecessor Donald Trump, Biden has shown little interest in negotiating a trade deal with Britain, partly because of his concerns about Northern Ireland.

Ahead of his talks Tuesday with Johnson at the White House, Biden voiced worries about Northern Ireland following recent talk that the British government wants to renegotiate the post-Brexit deal with the EU that it signed at the end of last year.

Biden said he felt “very strongly” about issues surrounding Northern Ireland's peace process. Under the Northern Ireland Protocol for Brexit, customs and border checks have been imposed on some goods moving between Northern Ireland and the rest of the U.K. in order to prevent a physical border once again being put up between Ireland, which is part of the 27-nation EU, and Northern Ireland. That's angered Northern Ireland’s unionist community, who say the checks amount to a border in the Irish Sea and weaken Northern Ireland’s ties with the rest of the U.K.

One of the significant achievements of Northern Ireland's peace process was its nearly invisible border with Ireland.

“I would not at all like to see, nor, I might add, would many of my Republican colleagues like to see, a change in the Irish accords, the end result having a closed border in Ireland,” said Biden, who has consistently shown pride in his Irish roots.

Since Britain formally left the economic structures of the EU at the start of this year, the country has sought to re-orientate its trade profile away from Europe. It is pushing to join the 11-country Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, which is home to around half a billion people in and around the Pacific.

There's even talk that Britain may look to join the trade partnership between the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

https://www.usnews.com/news/busines...s-us-trade-deal-not-in-the-offing?context=amp

 

[Clear Winner]

Predictable shit show. The experts warned us and the press convinced the masses they were fear-mongering.

 

[deise69]

Predictable shit show. The experts warned us and the press convinced the masses they were fear-mongering.

Not to worry the UK government is going to give out 5,000, 3 month visas for EU HGV drivers to help alleviate things.

And here's the reply from those drivers on Radio 4 today

 

[The Audience]

Not to worry the UK government is going to give out 5,000, 3 month visas for EU HGV drivers to help alleviate things.

And here's the reply from those drivers on Radio 4 today

Isnt the shortage around 100,000 drivers? 5,000 visas makes it look like theyre more concerned about losing face on an immigration u-turn than actually addressing the problem. If they dont sort this pronto its going to get pretty bleak.