BREXIT Discussion, v4.0: The Back-Pedaling

[Falsedawn]

Nigel Farage absolutely DESTROYS the EU here. I dunno how you can still be on REMAINs side after this

Farage accusing the EU of leading a stealth campaign of deception?

Nah, it was just a "mistake" amirite?

 

[D-Boy]

Farage accusing the EU of leading a stealth campaign of deception?

Nah, it was just a "mistake" amirite?

But wasn't that the "vote leave" campaign and not UKIP? I'm 99% sure thats' the case although the politicians love saying it was him

 

[FinalFight]

I saw the linked part in the initial post of the thread, but after hearing the main guy try to confidently explain why it wasn't HIM that was wrong about the "saved" money from the EU going into the NHS, but was instead just a group that supported him and which is associated with and because of that there's no need to talk about it...yikes. Always great when a day after you vote for someone they tell you "their" platform wasn't real.

Anyone who listened to Farage and his followers is an idiot. Plenty of idiots around these days.

 

[FinalFight]

The brexit result has sadly empowered a lot of racists. Not all of those who voted to leave are racists, but I'd bet most racists voted to leave.

 

[TheStruggle]

The brexit result has sadly empowered a lot of racists. Not all of those who voted to leave are racists, but I'd bet most racists voted to leave.

Typical liberal whining

"Everyone who disagrees with me is racist and xenophobic"


*Jerks off*

 

[in the]

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Nigel Farage absolutely DESTROYS the EU here. I dunno how you can still be on REMAINs side after this

"Now i know virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives or worked in business or worked in trade or indeed ever created a job..."

I lost

 

[ElCasca]

My Polish neighbor is so salty right now because of the embassy that is actually funny

 

[Falsedawn]

But wasn't that the "vote leave" campaign and not UKIP? I'm 99% sure thats' the case although the politicians love saying it was him

If he's not taking responsibility for the whole campaign, he really should stop gloating about it like he was the tip of the spear. Can't have it both ways.

And maybe that's the doublespeak. I wasn't in charge of the campaign, it just represents all my views and i've come out in support of it as if it was mine, but I wasn't in charge.

 

[Arkain2K]

Brexit prompts a push to end English as an official language of the European Union
By Michael Birnbaum
June 28, 2016

British Prime Minister David Cameron, left, speaks with E.U. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker in Brussels on Tuesday. ​

BRUSSELS — European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker had a message for Britain on Tuesday. He delivered it in French.

With the impending British exit from the European Union, the polyglot Babel that has 24 official languages may soon strike English off the list, according to officials here, who note the change with a mixture of sadness and glee.

The European Union long conducted its business in French, even for decades after Britain and Ireland joined the bloc in 1973. But as the alliance expanded into Scandinavia and Eastern Europe, the momentum moved ineluctably toward English, the second language of choice for a far wider number of European citizens, diplomats and leaders. English is the common tongue at summits such as the one taking place Tuesday, with the leaders of E.U. member nations descending on Brussels for a grim, English-speaking dinner with British Prime Minister David Cameron.

But if Britain pulls out, the European Union will lose the only nation that has designated English as its official language inside E.U. institutions. Each country is allowed to pick one tongue, and Ireland and Malta — the other two E.U. nations that are predominantly English-speaking — chose Gaelic and Maltese, respectively. But they are tiny compared with the juggernauts of France and Germany, which supply the other two “unofficial” working languages of the European Union.

“Despite the vote, the British remain our friends,” Juncker told the European Parliament in French on Tuesday, forcing many of the 751 legislators to put on headsets to hear a translation. “As a result of the British vote, we’ve lost something very important.”

Juncker, a former prime minister of polyglot Luxembourg, typically speaks publicly in a succession of English, French and German, although English is his weakest language among the three. Other top E.U. leaders, including European Council President Donald Tusk, a former prime minister of Poland, confine their public comments to English.

Aides to Juncker said before his speech that the omission of English was a deliberate effort to send a message to Britain.

But others in Europe also were rooting for an end to English.

“English can no longer be the third working language of the European Parliament,” left-wing French politician and European Parliament member Jean-Luc Mélenchon wrote on Twitter.



“English is our official language because it has been notified by the U.K.,” Danuta Hübner, the chair of the Constitutional Affairs Committee of the European Parliament, said at a news conference on Monday. “If we don't have the U.K., we don't have English.”

Official E.U. rules require that all official communications be translated into all 24 E.U. languages — a vast operation that the European Commission says makes it the largest employer of translators in the world. If English were to be struck from the list, that would leave Britain to muddle through the difference between "adieu" and "au revoir" on its own.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-push-to-end-english-in-the-european-union/

 

[Madmick]

Would someone explain to me why Corbyn is getting the shit kicked out him for this? Why such a staggering No Confidence vote?

 

[Arkain2K]

E.U. Leaders Converge on Brussels for Brexit Crisis Talks
Europe toughen line over British ‘divorce’
By Michael Birnbaum and Griff Witte
June 28 at 12:22 PM

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BRUSSELS — European leaders took a tough stance Tuesday against British efforts to leave the European Union, as leading exit campaigners appeared to accept that they may not be able to pick the best parts of E.U. membership while discarding the onerous ones.

The showdown came as the E.U.’s 28 leaders gathered in Brussels for the first time since the shock British decision to split from the union. E.U. leaders are seeking to keep their bloc from fracturing even more, promising a hard-line stance against allowing Britain to retain coveted free access to the largest consumer market in the world without also maintaining the very E.U. characteristic that the British referendum seemed to reject: open borders.

Instead, many European leaders appear to envision a deal similar to that with Norway – a non-E.U. member that has to submit to most E.U. rules in exchange for free trade with the bloc. Such an arrangement would be a major letdown for British voters who believed that their ballots could halt immigration from elsewhere in Europe.

London cannot “cherry-pick” from the benefits of the E.U. without accepting its basic strictures, German Chancellor Angela Merkel told her Parliament on Tuesday before she traveled to Brussels for the dinner meeting with British Prime Minister David Cameron and the other E.U. leaders.

“Those who want free access to the European domestic market will have to accept the basic European freedoms and the other rules and duties which are linked to it,” Merkel said. “This applies to Great Britain just like to everyone else. Free access to the domestic market is granted to those who accept the four basic European freedoms — of people, of goods, of services, of capital.”

Or, more succinctly: “Marriage or divorce, but nothing in between,” said Luxembourg Prime Minister Xavier Bettel.

World markets and the pound rebounded Tuesday after tumbling since the surprise exit vote, suggesting that economic pandemonium may have eased — at least for the moment. Investors may also be betting that less changes in the relationship between Britain and the E.U. than they had initially feared. Wall Street opened higher.

President Obama, who strongly sided with the pro-E.U. side in Britain, acknowledged the messy financial and political fallout from the British exit vote, dubbed Brexit, and the fears of a fracture in European integration. But he predicted no lasting disruptions.

“There’s been a little bit of hysteria post-Brexit vote, as if somehow NATO’s gone, the transatlantic alliance is dissolving, and every country is rushing off to its own corner,” Obama said in an interview with National Public Radio that aired Tuesday. “That’s not what’s happening.”

The British departure has set off fears that other nations may follow, challenging the fabric of a union that has been woven together among more than two dozen very different nations. Some European leaders have said that the British exit will need to inspire their own reflections about a European Union that has strayed from its long-held hopes to provide economic prosperity and stability from the Atlantic coast to the Baltic border with Russia.

On Tuesday, those leaders were due to hear Cameron explain Britain’s path out of the club and his vision of his nation’s future relationship with its ex-partners. Any concrete plans are likely to be left to Cameron’s successor, who will be picked in September, much to the annoyance of E.U. leaders looking for a rapid withdrawal to avoid further chaos.

As a small measure of the bureaucratic intransigence that British voters rejected, leaders planned to spend three hours on a long agenda of non-Brexit related topics before they settled down to the burning issue that was transfixing the globe. Under discussion were migration, the European economy and competitiveness, as well as plans for a NATO summit next week.

On his way into the meetings, Cameron on Tuesday suggested a vision for a divorce that appeared to preserve the status quo as much as possible, except for formal membership.

“These countries are our neighbors, our friends, our allies, our partners, and I very much hope we’ll seek the closest possible relationship in terms of trade and cooperation and security,” Cameron said in Brussels on his way into meetings with the other leaders. “That is good for us and that is good for them.”

Europe’s hard-line stance could come as a shock to British voters, who opted to exit the 28-member bloc on the basis of a “leave” campaign that had argued the country would be able to retain the benefits of E.U. membership from outside the union while ridding itself of the drawbacks.

Specifically, pro-Brexit politicians had promised that Britain would continue to enjoy an advantaged trading relationship with Europe without having to abide by the continent’s free-movement rules.

Millions of Europeans have moved to Britain under those rules, and polls showed that controlling immigrant flows was the top concern of voters opting for “out.”

But since the vote, the pro-Brexit camp has splintered, with some continuing to press for an answer to immigration while others seem to quietly acknowledge that meaningful change is likely out of reach.

The split reflects the awkward alliance that fueled the “out” campaign: On one side are libertarian free marketers who want out of the E.U. in order to cut Brussels bureaucracy but have no fundamental objection to immigration from Europe. On the other are cultural conservatives who dislike the way immigration has changed Britain and want it to stop.

Leading Brexit campaigner Boris Johnson, the former mayor of London, falls into the former category. In an editorial for the Daily Telegraph on Monday, he wrote that he did not believe “those who voted Leave were mainly driven by anxieties about immigration.”

After arguing for months that the country needed to “take back control” of its immigration system, he barely mentioned the issue in his piece. Instead, he emphasized the need to forge “a new and better relationship with the EU — based on free trade and partnership.”

Johnson, who is considered a leading candidate to succeed Cameron as prime minister, has been conspicuously quiet since the result was announced Friday. Many of his fellow pro-Brexit leaders have also gone to ground.

Their silence has unnerved anti-immigration firebrands such as Nigel Farage, who wrote in a piece for Tuesday’s Times of London that he feared the Tories were “backsliding” on the issue that he said most animated voters during the referendum campaign.

“The suggestion that a post-Brexit Britain would retain open borders even just for workers would be totally unacceptable,” Farage wrote.

That may be true among Brexit voters. But it does not appear to be the case among the handful of Conservative politicians likely to vie for Cameron’s job, none of whom have made an immigration crackdown a core issue.

One likely candidate, Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt, argued in a Telegraph editorial that London should push for an agreement he described as “Norway plus,” in which Britain gets “full access to the single market with a sensible compromise on free movement rules.”

Such a deal would likely do little to satisfy voters who had hoped life outside the E.U. would bring a much more sweeping change to the immigration system. Johnson himself had argued for "an Australian-style points system" in which immigrants would be admitted based on their skills, and Europeans would enjoy no inherent advantage over those from other parts of the globe.

The muddle coming from London led some E.U. leaders to suggest — not without some schadenfreude — that they had little to discuss with Britain until the political establishment decides whether it wants a full split from the E.U.

“The British people were quite clear on this,” said E.U. foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini. “But we are receiving contradictory messages from, to use an understatement, a rather confused political scene in London.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...75f2e6-3c9e-11e6-9e16-4cf01a41decb_story.html

 

[Arkain2K]

Nigel Farage taunts E.U. Parliament in Brussels:
"You’re not laughing now"
By Rick Noack
June 28, 2016

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LONDON — Tensions between the European Union and Britain, as well as within the country itself, spilled over to Brussels on Tuesday, as Nigel Farage, the leader of the right-wing populist U.K. Independence Party (UKIP), told assembled members of the European Parliament that the E.U. was "in denial" about its failure and the fact that it was falling apart.

"When I came here 17 years ago and said I wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain to leave the European Union, you all laughed at me," Farage said in a speech that was carried live by TV channels in Britain and across Europe.

"Well, you're not laughing now, are you?" Farage said. He continued to predict that the U.K. would not be the last nation to leave the European Union.

The president of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, had to calm jeering parliamentarians after Farage told them: "Most of you have never done a proper job in your lives."

Schulz accused MPs of "acting like UKIP," but also criticized Farage for his lack of respect.

Farage's provocations did not go unanswered.

"I am surprised that you are here," Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, told Farage in parliament. "You were fighting for the exit. The British people have voted in favor of the exit. Why are you here?" European MPs reacted with applause and cheers to Juncker's speech.

The parliament members also supported a Scottish colleague with standing ovations. "While I’m proudly Scottish, I’m also proudly European," said Alyn Smith, a European MP from the Scottish National Party.

"Scotland did not let you down," Smith said, addressing European politicians. "Please, I beg you, do not let Scotland down now," he said with a raised voice, amid an applauding crowd.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...political-leader-farage-tells-e-u-parliament/

 

[dissolved]

Someone mentioned in another thread how it is the Muslim Brotherhood's objective to hijack democratic processes around the world. I can totally see this. Nation of Islam and CAIR and many other Islamic organizations are on the same mission.

 

[Arkain2K]

Global stocks, sterling fight back after Brexit beating
NEW YORK | By Hilary Russ
June 28, 2016

Stocks rose worldwide for the first time in three days and sterling and the euro climbed on Tuesday as investors made a rush for Brexit-bashed assets.

Bargain-hunting prevailed, but there was still widespread uncertainty over Britain's vote to leave the European Union as the bloc's leaders, including soon-to-be-ex UK Prime Minister David Cameron, held their first post-vote meeting in Brussels.

European shares were up 2.3 percent, clawing back some of their 10 percent loss the wake of the UK's vote in favor of Brexit on Friday.

Wall Street shares also bounced back, with banking shares recovering some of what they had lost. The S&P financial index .SPSY rose more than 1.55 percent.

The Dow Jones industrial average rose 138.5 points, or 0.81 percent, to 17,278.74, the S&P 500 .SPX gained 20.29 points, or 1.01 percent, to 2,020.83 and the Nasdaq Composite added 67.55 points, or 1.47 percent, to 4,661.99.

Britain's Lloyds and Barclays jumped 6.8 and 4 percent respectively. Italy's UniCredit was up 3 percent and Spain's Bankia surged 8.89 percent.

Sterling also got a reprieve. Last up 1.1 percent against the greenback at $1.3371, it regained some ground after hitting a 31-year low of $1.3122 on Monday. The euro was last up 0.4 percent against the dollar at $1.1068 after hitting a 3-1/2 month low of $1.0909 on Friday.

Against the yen, sterling rose 1.55 percent to 136.85 GBPJPY=.

"After a few days of a lot of volatility, it looks like we have found some stability," said TD Securities' European Head of Currency Strategy Ned Rumpeltin.

Even so, the lack of clarity over how A British exit from the EU will proceed could fuel volatility in the weeks to come.

"I think this is a short-lived rally," said Paul Nolte, portfolio manager as Kingsview Asset Management.

The major concern for investors - aside from the political ramifications of a split - is whether already struggling banks can survive if Brexit prompts central banks in Europe, Switzerland, Scandinavia and Japan to cut interest rates even more deeply into negative territory.

CHERRY-PICKING

Safe-haven assets gold and U.S. Treasuries stepped back after two heady days. Spot gold fell 1 percent at $1,311.61 an ounce at 1355 GMT on Tuesday.

Oil prices regained ground, rising 2 percent, while investors refocused on potential supply outages and drawdowns in crude. A looming strike at several Norwegian oil and gas fields that threatened to cut output in western Europe's biggest producer helped support crude futures.

Brent crude futures LCOc1 were up 2.1 percent, or $1, at $48.16 per barrel by 10:24 a.m. ET (1424 GMT). U.S. crude CLc1 rose 2.3 percent, or 1.10, to $47.43.

Risk appetite was also beginning to resurface in bond markets. Benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury notes US10YT=RR were 5/32 lower in price, yielding 1.477 percent, up nearly 2 basis points from late on Monday.

But concerns about sluggish economic growth countered some of the relief from the stock market recovery, leaving Treasury prices mostly flat.

Yields on UK government bonds, known as Gilts, and German Bunds edged up, while yields in lower-rated Spain, Italy and Portugal all fell more than 8 basis points as investors sought lower-rated euro zone bonds, betting on action from the European Central Bank to shore up the bloc.

Overnight in Asia, MSCI's broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan .MIAPJ0000PUS ended up 0.5 percent.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-markets-idUSKCN0ZE028

 

[Arkain2K]

E.U. Leaders Divided Over How to Respond to ‘Brexit’ Vote
By JAMES KANTER and ALISON SMALE
JUNE 28, 2016
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BRUSSELS — Stunned and divided by Britain’s vote to leave the European Union, leaders of the bloc’s member states converged in Brussels on Tuesday to prepare for a painful divorce, although Britain’s own political crisis made any rapid separation unlikely.

European leaders were struggling to strike a delicate balance: leaving the door open just enough for a possible compromise with Britain, while making it clear that they would not make any further concessions to get Britain to change its mind.

Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany said she would use “all her strength” to prevent the European Union from drifting apart, but she emphaized that nothing legally could begin to be done to address Britain’s relations with the bloc until it triggered the legal mechanism for leaving — something that Prime Minister David Cameron of Britain has refused to do, insisting that whoever succeeds him should make that decision.

Before leaving for Brussels, Ms. Merkel told her Parliament that Britain would want to maintain “close relations” with the European Union, but also signaled that it could not expect business as usual.

“Whoever wants to leave this family cannot expect to have no more obligations but to keep the privileges,” she said. “There must be and will be a noticeable difference between whether a country wants to be a member of the European Union family or not.”

Ms. Merkel quashed any idea of exploring alternative arrangements before then until Britain starts formal procedures to leave, a point she made on Monday after meeting with the leaders of France and Italy. “The talks can begin only then, and not before — either formally or informally,” she said.
She made clear that Britain could not expect full access to the European Union’s common market without accepting its conditions, including the free movement of people. Immigration was the crux of the often ugly debate that accompanied the so-called Brexit campaign. Ms. Merkel said.

President François Hollande of France was among a group of European leaders who pushed Britain to act quickly and resolve the uncertainty that has consumed the Continent.

“We need to begin the United Kingdom’s exit process from the European Union as quickly as possible, and then start the negotiations that will follow,” Mr. Hollande said. “I can’t imagine that a British government, whichever one it may be, would not respect the choice of its own people.”

Mr. Hollande said that Britain had decided to leave and that it was important for the European Union to move on. “The British have made a choice,” he told reporters. “By a large majority they decided to leave the European Union. We must draw all the conclusions, even though I regret this choice — but I want to respect it.”

He added: “We must also as Europeans draw a certain number of conclusions. A new impulse is necessary: protect our borders, invest more, turn towards youth and organize the eurozone in a more democratic way, so that it may also harmonize fiscal and social policies.”

Other leaders shared Mr. Hollande’s impatience. The prime minister of Luxembourg, Xavier Bettel, said that Britain and Europe could be “married, or divorced, but not something between.”

But Joseph Muscat, the prime minister of Malta, said the bloc should not obsess over the minutiae of Britain’s departure, but instead on the bloc’s future.

“I think it’s utterly disappointing that, when we are faced with the biggest political crisis in the history of the European Union, what’s grabbing the headlines is the obscure Article 50,” he told reporters, referring to the treaty provision that details how a country can leave the bloc.

The major issue is “that this is a Europe that people are feeling increasingly estranged from and that it is in our duty that we take action,” he said. If a second country leaves, he said, “we can only blame it on ourselves.”

Mr. Cameron, who plans to resign by October, arrived for what was almost certainly his final meeting at the European Council, telling reporters: “I’ll be explaining that Britain will be leaving the European Union, but I want that process to be as constructive as possible, and I hope the outcome can be as constructive as possible.”

Mr. Cameron was scheduled to dine with his counterparts Tuesday evening to discuss the aftershocks of the referendum, but will then return to London — leaving the other leaders to spend Wednesday reflecting on the bloc’s future.

At a special meeting of the European Parliament on Tuesday, Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, the European Union’s executive body, denounced the nature of the debate in Britain, where he has often been a punching bag for the tabloids.

“I am accused of being undemocratic, as a faceless bureaucrat, as some kind of robot,” he said. “That’s the way I’m portrayed in the United Kingdom. I respect what the British people have said. But I think we’ve got to see some consequences. I don't think we should see any shadowboxing or cat-and-mouse games. We need to know — and this is pure common sense — that new relations are beginning with the United Kingdom.”

He said there would be no “secret negotiations” with British officials, urged Britain to clarify its intentions, and cautioned anti-European parties throughout the Continent against celebration.

Mr. Juncker vowed that “the European dream will continue” and insisted that “this is not the time to turn inward.”

The European Parliament adopted a nonbinding resolution that asks Britain to set the clock ticking “as soon as possible” on the Article 50 process, which could lead to a withdrawal from the European Union in two years. (An earlier draft of the resolution had called on Britain to invoke the legal process “immediately.”)

Before the vote, anti-European lawmakers gloated over the British referendum, saying that it was a deserved comeuppance for a European Union whose leaders they have described as elite and out-of-touch.

“You as a political project are in denial,” said Nigel Farage, the leader of the anti-European, anti-immigrant U.K. Independence Party and a longtime member of the European Parliament, citing the problems in the eurozone and the refugee crisis. “But the biggest problem you’ve got — and the reason, the main reason, the United Kingdom voted the way that it did — is that you have, by stealth, by deception, without ever telling the truth to the British or the rest of the peoples of Europe, you have imposed upon them a political union.”

He added personal insult to his critique. “Virtually none of you have done a proper job in your lives,” he said, as the groans and jeers continued. “Or worked in business or worked in trade or indeed ever created a job.”

“Isn’t it funny,” Mr. Farage said. “When I came here 17 years ago and said I wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain to leave the European Union, you all laughed at me. Well, you’re not laughing now.”

On a more sober note, Mr. Farage said he would “like to see a grown-up and sensible attitude to how we negotiate a different relationship” with the European Union.

He said there were strong reasons for the European Union to maintain ties to Britain after it leaves the bloc. “Between your countries and my country, we do an enormous amount of business in goods and services,” he told the European Parliament. “That trade is mutually beneficial to both us. That trade matters. If you were to decide to cut off your noses to spite your faces and to reject any idea of a sensible trade deal, the consequences would be far worse for you than it would be for us.”

As the chamber filled with murmurs of disapproval, Mr. Farage continued, “Even no deal is better for the United Kingdom than the current, rotten deal that we’ve got.”

Marine Le Pen, the leader of the right-wing National Front in France and also a member of the European Parliament, joined Mr. Farage in deriding the bloc.

“The vote by our British friends in favor of the United Kingdom leaving the European Union is by far the most important historic event that our continent has witnessed since the fall of the Berlin Wall,” she said. “To those who never ceased to proclaim that the European Union was irreversible, the British people have provided a biting refutation. It is a resounding victory for democracy; it is a slap to the supporters of a European system that is increasingly based on fear, blackmail, and lies.”

She added: “The British people have just committed the ultimate sacrilege. They have shattered the chains that bound them to the European Union. To the European Union propagandists who are supposedly on the left, in the center or on the right, go ahead, put away your sulking faces, put away your furious speeches and rejoice instead for the liberation of the people.”

Though Mr. Farage and Ms. Le Pen got the most attention, a Scottish member of the European Parliament, Alyn Smith, received a standing ovation when he gave an impassioned speech noting that a majority of Scots voted to stay in the European Union.

“We will need cool heads and warm hearts, but please remember this: Scotland did not let you down,” Mr. Smith said, his voice rising. “Do not let Scotland down now.”

Scotland’s first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, planned to head to Brussels on Wednesday to explore options for keeping Scotland in the European Union, and on Tuesday asked the Scottish Parliament, meeting in Edinburgh, to endorse her negotiations.

“I want to be clear to Parliament that while I believe independence is the best option for Scotland — I don’t think that will come as a surprise to anyone — it is not my starting point in these discussions,” she said. “My starting point is to protect Scotland’s interests, to protect Scotland’s relationship with the E.U.”

For all the speeches, the legal process is in limbo for now. Mr. Cameron has refused to invoke Article 50, the formal mechanism for leaving the European Union, saying the specifics of when and how to do so should be left to his successor. His governing Conservative Party is about to embark on a fierce leadership contest that is supposed to yield a new party leader — and a new prime minister — by Sept. 2.

The opposition Labour Party was also in disarray, with lawmakers adopting a no-confidence vote in their leader, Jeremy Corbyn, on Tuesday afternoon. Mr. Cameron and Mr. Corbyn both supported remaining in the European Union, but Labour lawmakers said that Mr. Corbyn did not do nearly enough to make the case for staying. Mr. Corbyn has refused to step down from the helm of the Labour Party, and no clear replacement has emerged.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/world/europe/brexit.html

 

[Awesomesauce]

Nigel Farage absolutely DESTROYS the EU here. I dunno how you can still be on REMAINs side after this

While I understand his sense of spite against what is essentially the new European aristocracy, I am not sure that spiking the ball was necessary. On the rest he was pretty much spot on.

 

[Azam]

Would someone explain to me why Corbyn is getting the shit kicked out him for this? Why such a staggering No Confidence vote?

It's apparently because he didn't do enough for the Remain campaign and is essentially being blamed for not doing enough to get traditional labour voters to vote for remaining in. As many labour/conservative voters went to leave - he's basically being blamed for poor leadership and not doing enough during the referendum. The reason Lavour voters swung is the same reason Conservative voters swung - MP's are out of touch with the feelings of what they electorate want.

If you want the honest truth - ever since Corbyn has been elected to lead the labour party - everyone especially the Blairites/Media have almost from day 1 - tried to get him removed or to step down. He hasn't even been able to do an as effective job as he otherwise may have done because of all the constant attempts to get him removed.

The reason they want him removed is because unlike his parliamentary colleagues he has integrity, has refreshing ideas that are deemed dangerous by those within the labour party & elsewhere - and I think it's also a concerted effort to try to win an election rather than retain integrity/ideals that every labour MP should also hold. What labour fail to realize - especially the Blairites is that they have contributed to the decline of the Labour party. It has very little to do with Corbyn and he's only been on the job a year.

It's a very sad day for democracy when MP's are attempting to be subversive and from the get-go have tried remove a democratically elected labour leader that was voted by a majority of Labours members and still do this day enjoys the majority of Labour members support - as well as very staunch support among the youth including myself. Yet you have a good amount of Labour MP's that don't give two fucks about the electorate that voted him in - otherwise they wouldn't be trying to get rid of him. I mean this is partially the reason why Labour is on the decline - MP's not listening to the wish of Labour members & their electorate.

I'd love for them to hold another election within the Labour party because I'm pretty sure Corbyn will again receive most of the vote like last time. I fear though that most of these MP's will not respect the vote and again will probably do their best to get rid of him.

In all honesty - Labour MP's that are contributing to this internal strife and were attempting to do so without holding a Labour election like Hilary Benn and Co are the problem with Labour. If their was any justice - they'd be purged from the Labour party.

I think it's also playing into the hands of the opposition (it's being done purposely I feel) - who are probably already talking about Brexit proposals and on the other end you have a Labour party with internal conflict issues that is barely involved with Brexit proposals because of all the internal strife. It's as though it's been orchestrated.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Dennis Prager

Why the Left Hates Referendums

...why would the Left hate referendums? Doesn’t the Left claim to represent “the people?” Isn’t one of the most popular sayings of the Left “Power to the People”? Isn’t the American Left trying to abolish the Electoral College precisely because it isn’t directly representative of the people’s will? One would imagine, therefore, that if anyone would welcome referendums, it would be the Left.


First, the Left cares about “the people” as much as the Soviet Communist Party cared about “the workers.” For the Left, real people are either political fodder or, when they support the Left, useful idiots. The Left loves power, not people.

Repeat: The Left loves power, not people. If that is not understood, the Left is not understood.

The European Union is a perfect example. It is a left-wing exercise in controlling people — in this case, entire nations. That great source of societal damage; the faceless and nameless bureaucrat — in this instance located in Brussels — seeks to control as much of every individual European’s life as possible. There is no limit to the number and extent of rules that the EU passes.

To the Left, nations are archaic constructs, impediments to the left-wing ideal of a world without national identities. This utopia, governed ultimately by a worldwide Brussels — the United Nations or something like it — will be run by a secular totalitarian clergy consisting of left-wing parties; left-wing intellectuals in academia and the media; big corporations vying for government subsidies, and big labor, whose leaders embody the love of power. Fellow travelers include environmentalist and feminist organizations and the religious Left (to the extent that organized Western religion will exist in a left-wing-run world).


Brexit represents a ray of optimism. But in the long run even referendums may not matter. As long as the Left controls education and the news and entertainment media, brainwashed populations will vote to destroy their nations and Western civilization generally — as is already happening in the institution most controlled by the Left, the university.

In the meantime, long live the referendum, the last remaining tool for the non-elites and the non-Left to express themselves.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437217/brexit-referendum-left-opposes-self-government

 

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EU Leaders Push for Brexit 'Divorce' in Meeting With UK's David Cameron
By Michael Edison Hayden and LENA MASRI
LONDON — Jun 28, 2016​

Anxious European Union leaders today urged U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron to "start the divorce process" in his first meeting with them since last week’s Brexit vote.

"Europe is ready to start the divorce process, even today, without any enthusiasm, as you can imagine," summit host, E.U. President Donald Tusk, told Cameron at their meeting in Belgium.

The meeting with E.U. leaders may well be Cameron's last. Leaders at the summit refused to negotiate with Cameron, who promised his resignation in the wake of the vote, and appeared to want to expedite Britain's departure from the union.

Earlier in the day, Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, also expressed the desire for Britain's rapid exit from the EU in a speech to the European Parliament.

“I would like our British friends to tell us what they want, so we can get on with it,” he said.

Before today's meeting in Brussels, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said in Berlin Monday that “there will be no formal or informal talks about Britain’s exit” until the British Parliament votes to leave.

French President François Hollande also encouraged the U.K. to make a quick decision.

“Being responsible means not wasting time in engaging with the question of Britain’s departure and setting this new impulse we want to lend the new European Union," he said.

Meanwhile, fallout from the Brexit vote continued to shake Britain's political landscape.

Opposition party leader Jeremy Corbyn lost a Labour Party confidence vote this afternoon in London, garnering the votes of only 40 MPs, compared with the 172 who voted against him for party leader. Corbyn, who was in the "remain in the E.U." camp, rejected the party vote today, saying that he would not step down.

"I was democratically elected leader of our party for a new kind of politics by 60 percent of Labour members and supporters, and I will not betray them by resigning. Today’s vote by MPs has no constitutional legitimacy," he said in a statement. "We are a democratic party, with a clear constitution. Our people need Labour party members, trade unionists and MPs to unite behind my leadership at a critical time for our country."

Critics within his own party blame Corbyn for failing to do enough to persuade Labour supporters to vote “remain” in the referendum.

Corbyn has been defiant in the face of criticism in the wake of the Brexit vote, and has used social media to remind the public of his strength of support among the public. A petition on the website 38degrees.org asking voters to pledge their support for Corbyn has received over 200,000 signatures.



Twelve members of Corbyn's shadow cabinet resigned Sunday.

"Following the ballot conducted today, the Parliamentary Labour Party has accepted the following motion: That this PLP has no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn as Leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party," the party said in a statement.

Twelve members of Corbyn's shadow cabinet resigned Sunday.

"Following the ballot conducted today, the Parliamentary Labour Party has accepted the following motion: That this PLP has no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn as Leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party," the party said in a statement.

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