BREXIT Discussion v2.0: In Stunning Decision, Britain Votes to Leave the European Union.

[Thames]

If anyone wants to follow the shitshow in real time:
http://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures
https://www.dailyfx.com/gbp-usd

 

[Ruprecht]

Did not know this. Thanks.

Not a dig at you, mate, but why is nationalism always qualified as "reactionary"? Seems like an underhanded way of addressing it. I never read of reactionary liberalism or reactionary communism, just when it's nationalism is it so.

Is everything not reactionary to something? Why when someone is proud of their country must it be explicitly labelled as populist, [noun]-mongering and so forth. When a domestic people feel that either themselves or their culture are being threatened, they retract from the world either through policy or attitude and reevaluate. When all is good in the world, rules and attitudes lax a bit - all just, adjustments to the state of the world around them.

Another but even more confusing phenomenon is how non-native peoples feel that what best suits them, best suits the native people - they, the future and we, the past; that they are here to educate the natives on how their own culture and country should be steered; that their definition of tolerance is however a one-way street - tolerate my wants and culture at your expense, for yours is not to be tolerated. When in all Hades did this become such an acceptable approach to things?

Nationalism isn't always reactionary, but in this case it clearly is. Not in the sense of "a reaction against something", but in the technical sense of wanting to return to an idealised past.
It's also labelled as knee-jerk and populist, because it's not actually offering any solutions. Not even simple solutions to complex problems. It's just touching on popular dissatisfaction.
Britain's immigration policy hasn't been set by the EU. They weren't party to the schengen agreement. They rejected the EU refugee quota proposal.
The immigrants that are being labelled as problems aren't from the EU. If Britain has a problem with it's immigration policy, they can't blame the EU. The leave campaign proposed an adoption of an Australian style points system. Fair enough, but they already have a 5 tier points system for immigrants from outside the EU, and there's absolutely no reason they had to leave the EU to extend that to EU citizens (and are they even the "problem immigrants" that the Brits voted against?).

Edit: Although I'm not sure how the "opt-out" policy would have worked on the EU migration policies they'd already agreed to.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

He ran a campaign based on him being Mel Gibson and Westminster politicians being the evil English oppressors. He shouted "FREEDOM!" a few times, lost, and now has a job in Westminster with the people who were his conservative buddies all along. Whooda thunk it?

what a warped view of the world you have

 

[MayhemMonkey]

It's acceptable to the 57% of Scots who voted to be British and remain part of the Union. Sorry you're a nationalist, bro.

55, and most of them have come out and said they made a mistake..... that we were lied to. this is the trigger that will tip the balance in favour of independence. you're clearly delusional, Id advise medication

 

[Gazwald]

what a warped view of the world you have

It's the view of most people in Scotland who aren't the nationalist minority.

Your view on the situation is that everyone from your country agrees with you even though the majority are against independence. Same as every other nationalist.

 

[Victor Maitland]

The media painted a picture that "remain" would win easily ,yet the opposite happens. Just as the media claims Hillary Clinton will have an easy time in the election. I predict an easy Trump win...

 

[VulcanNervPinch]

 

[Gazwald]

55, and most of them have come out and said they made a mistake..... that we were lied to. this is the trigger that will tip the balance in favour of independence. you're clearly delusional, Id advise medication

Yeh man, I'm definitely delusional. I live in a country that voted resoundingly against independence. Some nationalists say "it was a fix! the people who voted no have magically changed their minds! Scare tactics!" etc. Yeh, I'd need some serious medication to believe them instead of laughing at how pathetic and childish they look.

Seriously though man, I'd recommend using some relaxing medication of some sort yourself. You're taking the result of this ref far too hard. Calm down, your country knows what's best.

 

[Chinballs]

The media painted a picture that "remain" would win easily ,yet the opposite happens. Just as the media claims Hillary Clinton will have an easy time in the election. I predict an easy Trump win...

Well the media did really make it seem like voting out was futile. That should be a criminal offense.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

It's the view of most people in Scotland who aren't the nationalist minority.

Your view on the situation is that everyone from your country agrees with you even though the majority are against independence. Same as every other nationalist.

the nationalist minority who have overwhelmingly won the local elections and voted in favour of remain, and who will now lead Scotland to a brighter future away from the UK

deal with it son, its the future

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Yeh man, I'm definitely delusional. I live in a country that voted resoundingly against independence. Some nationalists say "it was a fix! the people who voted no have magically changed their minds! Scare tactics!" etc. Yeh, I'd need some serious medication to believe them instead of laughing at how pathetic and childish they look.

Seriously though man, I'd recommend using some relaxing medication of some sort yourself. You're taking the result of this ref far too hard. Calm down, your country knows what's best.

dunno what your on about, I got the result I wanted...... we voted remain, England voted us out. the exact stipulations the SNP said would bring on indy ref 2. then we'll see who's the "minority"

 

[John Wang]

What's going on over there with all this chit?

Why you tryin' to leave the EU?

David Cameron has resigned as prime minister after Britain voted to leave the European Union.

The prime minister, who backed a Remain vote, said Britain required "fresh leadership" to negotiate the country's exit from the EU.

"I do not think it would be right for me to be the captain that steers our country to its next destination," he said in a statement outside Downing Street.

He promised to "steady the ship" over the coming months before stepping down in October.

Mr Cameron, flanked by his wife Samantha, said the result was the "will of the British people" which was an "instruction which must be delivered".

Close to tears and with his voice breaking, Mr Cameron said: "I love this country and I feel honoured to have served it and I will do everything I can in future to help this great country succeed."

His resignation speech:

Good morning everyone, the country has just taken part in a giant democratic exercise, perhaps the biggest in our history.

Over 33 million people from England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar have all had their say.

We should be proud of the fact that in these islands we trust the people for these big decisions.

We not only have a parliamentary democracy, but on questions about the arrangements for how we've governed there are times when it is right to ask the people themselves and that is what we have done.

The British people have voted to leave the European Union and their will must be respected.

I want to thank everyone who took part in the campaign on my side of the argument, including all those who put aside party differences to speak in what they believe was the national interest and let me congratulate all those who took part in the Leave campaign for the spirited and passionate case that they made.

The will of the British people is an instruction that must be delivered.

It was not a decision that was taken lightly, not least because so many things were said by so many different organisations about the significance of this decision.

So there can be no doubt about the result.

Across the world people have been watching the choice that Britain has made.

I would reassure those markets and investors that Britain's economy is fundamentally strong and I would also reassure Britons living in European countries and European citizens living here there will be no immediate changes in your circumstances.

There will be no initial change in the way our people can travel, in the way our goods can move or the way our services can be sold.

We must now prepare for a negotiation with the European Union.

This will need to involve the full engagement of the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Ireland governments to ensure that the interests of all parts of our United Kingdom are protected and advanced.

But above all this will require strong, determined and committed leadership.

I'm very proud and very honoured to have been Prime Minister of this country for six years.

I believe we've made great steps, with more people in work than ever before in our history, with reforms to welfare and education, increasing people's life chances, building a bigger and stronger society, keeping our promises to the poorest people in the world and enabling those who love each other to get married whatever their sexuality, but above all restoring Britain's economic strength.

– DAVID CAMERON

Saucey McGoo

 

[Gazwald]

the nationalist minority who have overwhelmingly won the local elections and voted in favour of remain, and who will now lead Scotland to a brighter future away from the UK

deal with it son, its the future

As I've said before, I don't care. If that happens, great- I live here.

I'm just telling it how I see it. From the point of view of someone who isn't a delusional nationalist who believes he speaks on behalf of a country who resoundingly disagrees with his views.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

As I've said before, I don't care. If that happens, great- I live here.

I'm just telling it how I see it. From the point of view of someone who isn't a delusional nationalist who believes he speaks on behalf of a country who resoundingly disagrees with his views.

everything about the result last night says you are incorrect

 

[klnOmega]

Good on Britain. They have some tough times ahead, but so did the American Colonists when the War of Independence. I believe nations should have a right to govern themselves, and I'm happy Britain is getting its sovereignty back.

 

[wilKO]

Scotland vote to stay in the EU. So do Northern Ireland. Goodbye UK hello United Ireland.

 

[My Spot]

Is being a nationalist there considered "racist" like it is here? There's been a stigma perpetuated around the English flag and the Union Jack.

 

[Gingerdead Man]

I'm actually not that educated on the situation in Greece, or their debt situation.
I think it would be bad for them to leave the EU. But I certainly think they should leave the Euro. One of the primary reasons their economy has grown stale, is that they're not even able to devalue their currency.

Well said on currency being more the underlying issue than politico-economic fraternity. I remember when they actually switched over and thought to myself if it will be worth it to give up the drakma, such a relic as one of the oldest then-still-circulating currencies in the world. I read somewhere a couple years ago that some small circles of people (merchants) still use the drakma in small, local transactions; the bloke in the article was buying a cappuccino from a street-vendor that day in coins of the ancient currency.

Bring back the glory days

This time we just have to keep the fucking swedes in check. Apparently cutting the heads off was not enough the last time around:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_Bloodbath

Some union, ha. Sounds like the second go would end the same as the first: Swedes ruffled that the Danes end up being no better than the Hanse. You pack a strong punch for such a small land.

 

[Gazwald]

everything about the result last night says you are incorrect

The people of Britain voted to leave the EU. The people of Scotland are part of Britain, same as England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Scotland recently voted to remain part of Britain and rejected independence. I was thinking you were just angry at the result, but it's clear you're not very bright.

Oh btw, I've been invited out for a few pints with some dudes I used to work with this afternoon. I don't care about the results, as there's positives and negatives but they insist on celebrating.

Picture it: An English guy with Scottish citizenship enjoying a few beers with his Scottish mates in a Scottish bar celebrating Britain's exit from the EU. Imagine it until it sinks in, because it's going on all over the nation right now. English, Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish united, celebrating Britain's victory.

 

[Teppodama]

Anyone ask Bisping what his thoughts were? Just sorta curious.