BREXIT Discussion v2.0: In Stunning Decision, Britain Votes to Leave the European Union.

[MayhemMonkey]

Weird conclusion to draw. You still had your say and every Scottish vote counts just the same as anyone else's. The notion that democracy only works when you get your way isn't really a productive way to view it.

I share the disappointment over the result though. Times are bad enough as it is without something like this making the financial situation even shakier.

how is democratic if every region in Scotland voted remain, yet we are still being taken out of the EU?

 

[Gazwald]

so once again our vote means nothing, yet the English claim a great win for "democracy" lol. your hypocrisy is what is driving Scotland towards indy ref 2. this time all the fearmongering wont work.

Your vote means as much as any other person's vote. 52% of voters (the majority) are happy with the result, including the thousands of Scottish people who voted to leave the EU.

Not sure what part of Scotland you're in, but I reside in a constituency that voted "yes" on independence, and I've not seen anyone unhappy about this vote. The mood's pretty neutral as most people don't care either way.

Also, why do you think I care about indy ref 2? Indy ref 1 (Alex Salmond's Westminster job interview) was hilarious.

 

[Natty Dread]

Your vote means as much as any other person's vote. 52% of voters (the majority) are happy with the result, including the thousands of Scottish people who voted to leave the EU.

Not sure what part of Scotland you're in, but I reside in a constituency that voted "yes" on independence, and I've not seen anyone unhappy about this vote. The mood's pretty neutral as most people don't care either way.

Also, why do you think I care about indy ref 2? Indy ref 1 (Alex Salmond's Westminster job interview) was hilarious.

Because the first refferendum they used scare tactics about bein kicked out of the EU. Just yesterday all of scotland voted to remain. So no our vote doesnt seem to matter in the least.

 

[Chinballs]

Didn't see that one coming. I was pretty sure remain was going to win.

Congratulations and good luck is in order Brittain. At least the rest of us get to see how it works out for you.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Your vote means as much as any other person's vote. 52% of voters (the majority) are happy with the result, including the thousands of Scottish people who voted to leave the EU.

Not sure what part of Scotland you're in, but I reside in a constituency that voted "yes" on independence, and I've not seen anyone unhappy about this vote. The mood's pretty neutral as most people don't care either way.

Also, why do you think I care about indy ref 2? Indy ref 1 (Alex Salmond's Westminster job interview) was hilarious.

you clearly arent listening, the leave campaign are all for gaining sovereignty back etc.... yet dont want to recognise the sovereignty of the Scottish people? who overwhelmingly voted to remain

 

[Thames]

Took me by surprise, though not as much as Cameron I figure.
I was probably swayed by all the Brits I know, who are almost entirely under 50 and working in science or education. Seeing some of the social media comments from them and replies today, I realise they're not necessarily representative.

Yeah, not the best legacy he left behind now. Imagine if Scotland had left under his rule as well, which I'm betting is a much higher probabiltiy now.

Same here. I only know british business people, so I was very misguided as for the popular opinion as well (but the polls also showed favour of staying).
It's a sad day for a lot of british scholars though. Some of the best (including the best) EU scholars that exists, are british - like Sue Arrowsmith. I wonder what they feel about their job position now.

I also wonder if the EU is going to keep english as an official language now?
The french have been fighting tooth and nail for years, to make their language the primary one in the EU. I guess I might as well just start dusting off my old french language books.

Yeah, this facebook style posting is a relatively recent thing. The War Room was never exactly a pinnacle of intellectual discourse, but it's managed to fall a long way regardless.

I was thinking of that poster specifically. I have never seen him post anything else than what you mention. Lowbrow "meme" pictures and idiotic videos, and he doesn't even add commentary to it, he just post it en masse. He went apeshit on me, because I pointed out how retarded a video he posted was. I don't think he even watches them himself.

The decline of the WR, is probably because of the increasing popularity of idiotic right wing topics.

So, is that equation the right wing dystopia or is there something more. Could be worse, IMO.

It's a step by step.
But yes, if Trump becomes president and Front National wins in France. Then our future will look very different, than what was probably predicted 8 years ago, where everything was following a stable liberal agenda - of social and economic progress. Living standards have been increasing, GDP have been increasing, we have lived in the most peaceful times in human history probably etc. No one could have predicted that such a large segment of the national populations, would suddenly want to tear the whole shit down.

Could you see the Greek Leave-campaign spinning debt-reduction or -erasure from creditors if they were to leave? And you reckon their position outside the EU will present them with leverage in realising that or just the opposite? Germany has been so strong on not reducing that I worry the Greeks will believe anything at this point to hope for the contrary; I fear an independent Greece would also revert into a developing country.

I'm actually not that educated on the situation in Greece, or their debt situation.
I think it would be bad for them to leave the EU. But I certainly think they should leave the Euro. One of the primary reasons their economy has grown stale, is that they're not even able to devalue their currency.

A Dane wanting Kalmaru. back? Nah, sarcasm bless.

Bring back the glory days

This time we just have to keep the fucking swedes in check. Apparently cutting the heads off was not enough the last time around:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_Bloodbath

 

[wilKO]

The only good thing to come of this is the possibility of Scotland leaving the UK, Ireland getting to vote on a united Ireland and the ultimate collapse of the UK. Until then we are fucked with this vote. Thanks to all the old racists who won't live to see the impact but have screwed us.

 

[Gazwald]

Because the first refferendum they used scare tactics about bein kicked out of the EU. Just yesterday all of scotland voted to remain. So no our vote doesnt seem to matter in the least.

Every region in Scotland voted nationalist in the last election. The leader of the nationalist party backed the conservatives- Every nationalist vote was for David Cameron. The English people rioted at the conservatives getting elected with 37% of the vote, yet the Scots still insist on blaming them for it.

Unfortunately for the people of Britain, your vote does matter.

Scare tactics in indy ref 1 is such a funny go to. Salmond made it impossible for any sane person to vote for him. Donald Trump is infinitely more likable than that idiot.

 

[Gingerdead Man]

I think their financial services sector has grown (along with the rest of the UK). Food and Drink. They are more diversified than some (more like Russia than the M.E.), but if they are relying on oil the timing is bad. They certainly don't have a budget surplus or investments to fall back on.

Did not know this. Thanks.

All this reactionary nationalism makes me wonder if we'll see another vote on the republic here in Oz (not that it'd actually effect anything, and it'd still cost a fair bit for all the bureaucratic changes).
The current PM is a confirmed republican and is on the record as saying he's just waiting for the Queen to kick the bucket before calling another referendum.

Not a dig at you, mate, but why is nationalism always qualified as "reactionary"? Seems like an underhanded way of addressing it. I never read of reactionary liberalism or reactionary communism, just when it's nationalism is it so.

Is everything not reactionary to something? Why when someone is proud of their country must it be explicitly labelled as populist, [noun]-mongering and so forth. When a domestic people feel that either themselves or their culture are being threatened, they retract from the world either through policy or attitude and reevaluate. When all is good in the world, rules and attitudes lax a bit - all just, adjustments to the state of the world around them.

Another but even more confusing phenomenon is how non-native peoples feel that what best suits them, best suits the native people - they, the future and we, the past; that they are here to educate the natives on how their own culture and country should be steered; that their definition of tolerance is however a one-way street - tolerate my wants and culture at your expense, for yours is not to be tolerated. When in all Hades did this become such an acceptable approach to things?

 

[MayhemMonkey]

The only good thing to come of this is the possibility of Scotland leaving the UK, Ireland getting to vote on a united Ireland and the ultimate collapse of the UK..

hopefully thats what happens, a united Ireland would be a beautiful thing.... Id be really happy to see that happen.

 

[Goatenstein]

British Civil War time.

 

[McBryde Mats LLC]

Gold is now the strongest currency in the world

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Every region in Scotland voted nationalist in the last election. The leader of the nationalist party backed the conservatives- Every nationalist vote was for David Cameron. The English people rioted at the conservatives getting elected with 37% of the vote, yet the Scots still insist on blaming them for it.

Unfortunately for the people of Britain, your vote does matter.

Scare tactics in indy ref 1 is such a funny go to. Salmond made it impossible for any sane person to vote for him. Donald Trump is infinitely more likable than that idiot.

thats a nice twist youve put on things..... but Alex Salmond ran a campaign based on hope for the future. he has something Donald Trump will never have.... integrity

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Nicola gettin them "telt"

 

[Gazwald]

how is democratic if every region in Scotland voted remain, yet we are still being taken out of the EU?

You're obviously too disappointed about the result of the vote to understand the point multiple people have tried to make to you. I'll try a different angle:

Imagine this:
You're a British person, born and bred in Scotland (which you are)
Britain holds a referrendum to remain in the EU
You vote to leave the EU
The majority wins and Britain votes to leave the EU
Scotland doesn't leave the EU because other people in your area voted to stay
You won, but the opposite happened

That's the alternative you're suggesting. Is that democratic?

 

[wilKO]

hopefully thats what happens, a united Ireland would be a beautiful thing.... Id be really happy to see that happen.

You and me both. I think that Scotland will definitely be gone soon. And a united Ireland would be the biggest event in my lifetime and anyone who lives here's lifetime. An almost impossible dream.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

You're obviously too disappointed about the result of the vote to understand the point multiple people have tried to make to you. I'll try a different angle:

Imagine this:
You're a British person, born and bred in Scotland (which you are)
Britain holds a referrendum to remain in the EU
You vote to leave the EU
The majority wins and Britain votes to leave the EU
Scotland doesn't leave the EU because other people in your area voted to stay
You won, but the opposite happened

That's the alternative you're suggesting. Is that democratic?

a restructuring of our Union at the very least, the status quo no longer applies. its no longer acceptable to the Scottish people

 

[Metusalemi]

So... Jo Cox was sacrificed for nothing?

 

[Gazwald]

thats a nice twist youve put on things..... but Alex Salmond ran a campaign based on hope for the future. he has something Donald Trump will never have.... integrity

He ran a campaign based on him being Mel Gibson and Westminster politicians being the evil English oppressors. He shouted "FREEDOM!" a few times, lost, and now has a job in Westminster with the people who were his conservative buddies all along. Whooda thunk it?

 

[Gazwald]

a restructuring of our Union at the very least, the status quo no longer applies. its no longer acceptable to the Scottish people

It's acceptable to the 57% of Scots who voted to be British and remain part of the Union. Sorry you're a nationalist, bro.