BREXIT Discussion v2.0: In Stunning Decision, Britain Votes to Leave the European Union.

[Gingerdead Man]

Wasn't there a massive Scottish deficit this year though? Almost entirely attributable to the fall of oil prices? Considering the current oil market (not to mention the examples of other nations overly dependent on oil for their economic and political solvency), it's not exactly a pressing case for independence. Especially when the nationalist/independence ideology is blunted by appealing to the desire to stay in the EU.

It just doesn't make much sense to me. Even less than the Brexit.
Practically speaking.

Norway, as an example, has some growing, multibillion-USD exports to off-set the oil drop; nothing yet to match the oil but diversifying well enough. A lot of our industrial machinery in Finland comes from Norway and their fish tastes great; I look for it at the harbour every time.

What drives the Scottish economy outside oil? Or are all the eggs in one basket, in which case you might well be right, Ruprecht. One factor in Scotland's court is that they have a good international reputation - trade-relations and so on.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Im not surprised democracy doesnt mean anything to an African

Haha! Says the man from a country that chose to vote away its independence two years ago, and largely failed to turn up to the vote yesterday, and now wants to whine because democracy did its job.

Democracy only works if you take part in it. Scotland's apparently too lazy to take part, so they shouldn't be whining now.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Haha! Says the man from a country that chose to vote away its independence two years ago, and largely failed to turn up to the vote yesterday, and now wants to whine because democracy did its job.

Scotland voted for remain, I dunno what you are talking about?

 

[Ruprecht]

Wtf. I did not see that coming.
I can see the pound is already in free fall, The London Stock exhange website have crashed, and the FTSE 100 have dropped by 8 pct.. This is very good for danish state obligations though, as investors are jumping ship in the U.K, and looking for stable countries to invest in. Will be very interesting to see what the long term aftermath of this will be, after the panic has settled.

But this actually step 1 towards right wing dystopia, as some political scientists have been predicting. (1) The U.K leaves the EU. (2) Trumps becomes president. (3) Front National wins the election in France.

Took me by surprise, though not as much as Cameron I figure.
I was probably swayed by all the Brits I know, who are almost entirely under 50 and working in science or education. Seeing some of the social media comments from them and replies today, I realise they're not necessarily representative.

Has he ever made a thoughtful post? Perhaps it was before my time here.

Yeah, this facebook style posting is a relatively recent thing. The War Room was never exactly a pinnacle of intellectual discourse, but it's managed to fall a long way regardless.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Scotland voted for remain, I dunno what you are talking about?

Lol. Learn to read.
Scotland voted to remain, but the voter turnout was pretty terrible.
Again, if you're too lazy to vote, you just look like a fool when you whine about the results.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Lol. Learn to read.
Scotland voted to remain, but the voter turnout was pretty terrible.
Again, if you're too lazy to vote, you just look like a fool when you whine about the results.

either way we voted remain, which is a mandate for another referendum. now do me a favour and stop quoting me please, you're seriously boring the shit out of me

 

[Hard To Tell]

The British public have done the right thing and I actually feel quite proud. People before profits, morality and integrity before corporate greed, basic human deceny instead fighting each other in a race to bottom. The tears from the butthurt authoritarian globalist hate mongers just make it all the sweeter.

 

[Haj01]

Most of the immigrants coming in are white people, so this is not about racism. Europeans are white in general.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

either way we voted remain, which is a mandate for another referendum. now do me a favour and stop quoting me please, you're seriously boring the shit out of me

Of course I'm boring you... that's why you keep replying, and not because you're an angry-sad Scotsman, emasculated by your inability to control your own fate in the face of Britain choosing to control hers.
The UK voted to leave, and Scotland voted to be a part of the UK (and you guys actually showed up for that vote) so, unless you don't care about democracy, you should shut up until you've got the balls to get your independence.

 

[Halge]

From an outsider's perspective, the future of UK is no less interesting than for the brits themselves.

If the country suffers no perceivable negative effects over the next decade, or even prospers, other EU member states will take note and the future of the entire EU might be in jeopardy.

If it goes tits-up member states might learn to appreciate the union. It would be a concrete evidence of the EUs necessity, something ordinary people can grasp.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Of course I'm boring you... that's why you keep replying, and not because you're an angry-sad Scotsman, emasculated by your inability to control your own fate in the face of Britain choosing to control hers.
The UK voted to leave, and Scotland voted to be a part of the UK (and you guys actually showed up for that vote) so, unless you don't care about democracy, you should shut up until you've got the balls to get your independence.

reported for trolling

 

[MayhemMonkey]

what an idiot lol

 

[Metusalemi]

But this actually step 1 towards right wing dystopia, as some political scientists have been predicting. (1) The U.K leaves the EU. (2) Trumps becomes president. (3) Front National wins the election in France.

So, is that equation the right wing dystopia or is there something more. Could be worse, IMO.

Also @IDL, how the hell did the all-powerful lizard people/NWO elite/Globalists/Illuminati fucking allow this to happen?! I want answers!

 

[Killswitch91]

what an idiot lol

It truly terrifies me to think of how fucked the entire world is if that thin skinned tyrant ever wins the White House.

 

[Gingerdead Man]

Greece yes, Sweden and Denmark no. We are EU sceptics, but there's actually only one party in parliament that wants to exit the EU in Denmark (a very left wing, former communist, party). I think the climate is pretty much the same in Sweden.

Could you see the Greek Leave-campaign spinning debt-reduction or -erasure from creditors if they were to leave? And you reckon their position outside the EU will present them with leverage in realising that or just the opposite? Germany has been so strong on not reducing that I worry the Greeks will believe anything at this point to hope for the contrary; I fear an independent Greece would also revert into a developing country.

We already have the Nordic Council. Or should we bring back The Kalmar Union?

A Dane wanting Kalmaru. back? Nah, sarcasm bless.

 

[Ruprecht]

Norway, as an example, has some growing, multibillion-USD exports to off-set the oil drop; nothing yet to match the oil but diversifying well enough. A lot of our industrial machinery in Finland comes from Norway and their fish tastes great; I look for it at the harbour every time.

What drives the Scottish economy outside oil? Or are all the eggs in one basket, in which case you might well be right, Ruprecht. One factor in Scotland's court is that they have a good international reputation - trade-relations and so on.

I think their financial services sector has grown (along with the rest of the UK). Food and Drink. They are more diversified than some (more like Russia than the M.E.), but if they are relying on oil the timing is bad. They certainly don't have a budget surplus or investments to fall back on.

All this reactionary nationalism makes me wonder if we'll see another vote on the republic here in Oz (not that it'd actually effect anything, and it'd still cost a fair bit for all the bureaucratic changes).
The current PM is a confirmed republican and is on the record as saying he's just waiting for the Queen to kick the bucket before calling another referendum.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

what an idiot lol

Trump can fuck off

Not even commenting on politics he just likes to treat people like shit, should tell you all you need to know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Forbes_(farmer)

 

[Gazwald]

either way we voted remain, which is a mandate for another referendum. now do me a favour and stop quoting me please, you're seriously boring the shit out of me

Nope, you voted to leave. Britain voted to leave and Scotland is a part of Britain. A while ago, the people of Scotland had a referendum on whether to remain part of Britain. Scotland voted to remain part of Britain. Plenty of people in Scotland voted to leave the EU, plenty of people in England voted to remain- It doesn't matter. It was a British vote. You are British because the majority of people in Scotland want to be British, and voted to be British.

Democracy is the best system. It might suck for certain individuals but it's the fairest way. It must suck to be part of the nationalist minority in Scotland, just like it sucks for the people of Yorkshire when the Tories get elected when nobody there votes for them.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Nope, you voted to leave. Britain voted to leave and Scotland is a part of Britain. A while ago, the people of Scotland had a referendum on whether to remain part of Britain. Scotland voted to remain part of Britain. Plenty of people in Scotland voted to leave the EU, plenty of people in England voted to remain- It doesn't matter. It was a British vote. You are British because the majority of people in Scotland want to be British, and voted to be British.

Democracy is the best system. It might suck for certain individuals but it's the fairest way. It must suck to be part of the nationalist minority in Scotland, just like it sucks for the people of Yorkshire when the Tories get elected when nobody there votes for them.

so once again our vote means nothing, yet the English claim a great win for "democracy" lol. your hypocrisy is what is driving Scotland towards indy ref 2. this time all the fearmongering wont work.

 

[Squarechoke]

so once again our vote means nothing, yet the English claim a great win for "democracy" lol. your hypocrisy is what is driving Scotland towards indy ref 2. this time all the fearmongering wont work.

Weird conclusion to draw. You still had your say and every Scottish vote counts just the same as anyone else's. The notion that democracy only works when you get your way isn't really a productive way to view it.

I share the disappointment over the result though. Times are bad enough as it is without something like this making the financial situation even shakier.