Economy *BREAKING* Trump Freezes All Federal Loans & Pell Grants

[44nutman]

lol Trump dicktucked

 

[randomg1t]

Well, seems like they rescinded it already.

Trump Administration Rescinds Freeze on Federal Grants and Loans​

The White House rescinded an order on Wednesday that froze up to trillions of dollars in federal grants and loans and sparked mass confusion across the country, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the matter and documentation obtained by The New York Times.

The initial directive interrupted the Medicaid system that provides health care to millions of low-income Americans and sent schools, hospitals, nonprofits, research companies and law enforcement agencies scrambling to understand if they had lost their financial support from the federal government.

A federal judge in the District of Columbia on Tuesday afternoon temporarily blocked the order in response to a lawsuit filed by Democracy Forward, a liberal organization that argued that the directive violated the First Amendment and a law governing how executive orders are to be rolled out.

On Wednesday, Matthew J. Vaeth, the acting director for the Office of Management and Budget, sent a notification to federal agencies notifying them that memo freezing aid had been “rescinded.”

“If you have questions about implementing the President’s executive orders, please contact your agency general counsel,” Mr. Vaeth said in the notification.

superb governing.

i'm so glad the new administration is filled with nothing but professionals who know what they're doing.

 

[panamaican]

The human condition remains the same though, and most of the same trappings of power that existed in the Roman Republic exist in the modern American Republic (we are using the model those Mediterranean city-states created, after all). I'm not sure I see the parallel with the British empire outside of the general things that happen when a major power is declining (removing their presence from places too difficult or costly to hold onto/monitor, losing a major conflict or having a pyrrhic victory). On the other hand, a republic that is quickly giving way to oligarchy, increasing civil unrest and distrust in the system from the citizenry, candidates who focus on being populists rather than having sound policy plans, using the system for personal gain to the detriment of their consistuents, etc etc. The context is different, but the broad strokes line up incredibly well. To be fair though, I'm definitely more well versed on Roman history than British, so it's also easier for me to draw those connections to Rome instead of the Brits

Frankly, they both went through the same problems as a prelude to losing power.

Given your familiarity with Roman history, would lean towards the fall of the Western Roman empire or more towards the end of the Senate as real governing power as better modern parallels?

 

[nhbbear]

lol, that's true. Are you're a vet too?

Not a vet.

 

[sickc0d3r]

I disagree with them wanting Christian Nationalism as a whole. I read a story last year where around a third of people don't even attend any church and about 60% consider themselves Christian which is down 30% from the 90's. I think the ultimate goal of Repubs (and some Libs) at the end of the day is to do Capitalism at any cost (even if it means going down the Dictatorship route). Repubs have consistently done a good job of framing things through economics and safety even though you could argue that Repubs are bad at both.

This is why I find it funny that Repubs complain about trans and illegal immigrants and how serious we need to take those areas. However, when it comes to things like raising the minimum wage, creating an actual healthcare plan that is better than private insurance or Obamacare or having a change in how taxes are done those conversations never get traction.

Maybe it's not driven by religious voters, but it's the agenda they voted for nonetheless. Epstein's BFF will save us from the sinner trannies, the evil women who think they own their own bodies, and the invading foreign hordes. Capitalism barely rings a bell anymore. Trump's economic plan is to punish everyone with tariffs and drill baby drill, he's not talking about trickle down economics or helping small businesses or anything of the sort. Hell, I wish were still in here debating the morality of taxes and basing laws on the non-aggression principle. At least that was about how we perceive freedom. Now it's just people advocating pure authoritarianism.

 

[heloder]

Trump's "concepts of a plan" in action.

MAGA is going to be learning a lot about Chesterton's Fence in the coming months.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Wonder where all those people that were telling me this made perfect sense went?

 

[nhbbear]

Any update on your gig yet???
Notice how the magtards who always virtue signal about police & human trafficking are still memeing & saying this is fake news & nothing more than TDS?
Yet even just the fear or stress of a job being on a chopping block is unsettling. I hope it works out for you.

Speaking of American jobs:
Maybe Trump will fill the role with one of these "H1B servers & wine people" he's rambling about.
Dude legit STILL doesn't understand H1B & still wants to replace low skill American service jobs with foreign visas. This is clearly about staffing his country clubs & establishments. Fkn insane grift right in front of his cult. They are willing to sell out America if he punishes the people they hate

Thanks for the concern but I think I am ok. The grants that fund my position are mostly state based. That is just my grant. The non profit mainly advocates for domestic violence victims, sexual assault victims, and human trafficking survivors. The pay is shit, it just is flexible and fills out my week of teaching

 

[panamaican]

MAGA is going to be learning a lot about Chesterton's Fence in the coming months.

Excellent reference!

 

[panamaican]

Wonder where all those people that were telling me this made perfect sense went?

When the funding freeze ended, maybe they went back to work?

 

[nonoob]

Regardless of what exactly is being paused it is likely illegal.

Never have understood the "Big Picture" of Economics, but as a proud USA Citizen I've seen major positive steps taken that should have been put in place decades ago... Especially Federal Immigration Laws being strictly enforced. There should be No State Exceptions.

Any and ALL Politicians allowing Sanctuary Cities to be Taxpayer Funded should immediately lose their jobs.

 

[Monte Moku]

Frankly, they both went through the same problems as a prelude to losing power.

Given your familiarity with Roman history, would lean towards the fall of the Western Roman empire or more towards the end of the Senate as real governing power as better modern parallels?

I'd lean towards the weakening of the senate and the state moving into oligarchy as a better parallel. The fall of the western empire is more deeply rooted in the generations of mismanagement, throne succession scandals/civil wars leading to constant regime changes and talented people being killed off or driven away from power, awful handling of the German tribes after the arrival of the Huns, awful handling of the Goths, awful foreign policy with Sassanids, etc etc. A ton of mismanagement for hundreds of years, excluding Diocletian and Constantine. The fall of the western empire really feels like its own unique story. The best way I've heard it put is: "the question is not 'why did Rome fall?' the question is 'how did it last 200 years after the crisis of the third century?'" and imo there is no equivalent situation a major power has found themselves in since

 

[Possum Jenkins]

The human condition remains the same though, and most of the same trappings of power that existed in the Roman Republic exist in the modern American Republic (we are using the model those Mediterranean city-states created, after all). I'm not sure I see the parallel with the British empire outside of the general things that happen when a major power is declining (removing their presence from places too difficult or costly to hold onto/monitor, losing a major conflict or having a pyrrhic victory). On the other hand, a republic that is quickly giving way to oligarchy, increasing civil unrest and distrust in the system from the citizenry, candidates who focus on being populists rather than having sound policy plans, using the system for personal gain to the detriment of their consistuents, etc etc. The context is different, but the broad strokes line up incredibly well. To be fair though, I'm definitely more well versed on Roman history than British, so it's also easier for me to draw those connections to Rome instead of the Brits

Yeah, I'm not saying there are no parallels between ancient Rome and the US, it's just that the British have much more. All the factors of the Roman downfall are definitely true and yeah, they fit into the American context fairly well.

But much like the current US, the British Empire was a capitalist, global, industrial state that scoured the world in search of resources, cheap labor, and ever expanding markets. It was also a parliamentary democracy. Ancient Rome was slave, agricultural society that believed there were monsters in the far ends of the oceans.

So for those reasons, the collapse of Rome is much more spectacular to the point where the city of Rome had a population of a couple thousand people by the early middle ages. I mean, we still need a few more centuries to compare them fully but London is still a vibrant, rich, world metropolis about 80 years after its empire fell.

 

[cincymma79]

Wonder where all those people that were telling me this made perfect sense went?

I stand by what I wrote so hopefully they retool, write it better, and repeat it

 

[panamaican]

I'd lean towards the weakening of the senate and the state moving into oligarchy as a better parallel. The fall of the western empire is more deeply rooted in the generations of mismanagement, throne succession scandals/civil wars leading to constant regime changes and talented people being killed off or driven away from power, awful handling of the German tribes after the arrival of the Huns, awful handling of the Goths, awful foreign policy with Sassanids, etc etc. A ton of mismanagement for hundreds of years, excluding Diocletian and Constantine. The fall of the western empire really feels like its own unique story. The best way I've heard it put is: "the question is not 'why did Rome fall?' the question is 'how did it last 200 years after the crisis of the third century?'" and imo there is no equivalent situation a major power has found themselves in since

I don't know that there's no equivalent situation. I think the fall of the Western empire can be simplified to overreach. The empire grew too large to be centrally managed and the fringe states sought more independence over their individual situations because, due to distance, they often acted independently anyway. The regime changes, inability to manage the Germans (or other border entities), etc. all seem tied to that core issue. I think that's very similar to some of the things that colonial powers discovered over the years after expanding into the Americas, SE Asia and Africa.

I would agree that the weakening of the Senate is a better parallel to our current situation in the U.S.

 

[randomg1t]

I stand by what I wrote so hopefully they retool, write it better, and repeat it

oh yeah they're totally gonna do that.

they'll just write it better.

it just wasn't written that well, they'll get it right now.

 

[oldshadow]

You guys ever heard of audits?

Federal grant money is audited by every state government throughout the country. The deadline for FY 2024 Federal audits is coming up soon.

I feel like conservatives seem to have no idea how government works sometimes lol

They are only as good as thr auditorand how much trust you have in them. Then you have to review the information. All the while the people spending the money are looking to get it out as fast as possible to whatever prevent losing it

 

[Fedor>Cain]

They are only as good as thr auditorand how much trust you have in them. Then you have to review the information. All the while the people spending the money are looking to get it out as fast as possible to whatever prevent losing it

So you're telling me...

That you trust the federal government to provide evidence of fraudulent spending for grant money more than independent state agencies?

Please make it make sense

Source: I'm one of the people who audit shit like this.

What you got to understand is that the state agencies audit this money all the way down to where it's supposed to end up. These audits take months. If you think the federal government can handle that in place of the state agencies, then you must love YUGE government spending lmao. These audits routinely run 6 figures in cost for one ALN in a single state.

That's without mentioning the audits are peer reviewed by AIC's, managers, quality control staff, AND independent peer reviews from unaffiliated agencies. These audits get audited already lmao.

 

[oldshadow]

So you're telling me...

That you trust the federal government to provide evidence of fraudulent spending for grant money more than independent state agencies?

Please make it make sense

Source: I'm one of the people who audit shit like this.

What you got to understand is that the state agencies audit this money all the way down to where it's supposed to end up. These audits take months. If you think the federal government can handle that in place of the state agencies, then you must love YUGE government spending lmao. These audits routinely run 6 figures in cost for one ALN in a single state.

That's without mentioning the audits are peer reviewed by AIC's, managers, quality control staff, AND independent peer reviews from unaffiliated agencies. These audits get audited already lmao.

If it's Federal money then it should the feds doing the audits. Then the feds in charge will decide if they want the money to go where it is going.

 

[avenue94]

If it's Federal money then it should the feds doing the audits. Then the feds in charge will decide if they want the money to go where it is going.

Is there a reason it matters whether the Fed hires the auditor or a state does?