Boxing strategy in a mma/muay thai fight context

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Mvp Michael venom page. The gif of him standing wide when he gets clipped by Lima

Herb Dean. Referee. UFC fan saw an athletic and explosive fighter, and the first thing he thought was Herb Dean

Still, we have to be more humble about what works. Half a dozen shit we said 25 years ago would never work in MMA did work, with the right fighter.

If you told someone in 1993 that Conor Mcgreggor would be able to win titels in multiple weight divisions with no real base in grappling or for that matter boxing, you wouldn't be taken seriously.

 

[j123]

Still, we have to be more humble about what works. Half a dozen shit we said 25 years ago would never work in MMA did work, with the right fighter.

If you told someone in 1993 that Conor Mcgreggor would be able to win titels in multiple weight divisions with no real base in grappling or for that matter boxing, you wouldn't be taken seriously.

Of course a unique, talented striker could use any tool and be successful with it. But that's the thing, they're the 1% of cases. Most of the time when people make threads here in regards to technique, they are asking for situations that are applicable to them or people in a similar boat. When it comes to that, hard tested, high percentage moves need to be used. Not searching for a rare low % magic bullet . People need to work basics before moving on. Alot of cases here, they're ignoring the basics and comparing it to highlight reel pros who work it out.

To be fair the striking is very underdeveloped where rudimentary striking makes waves. People are getting excited about "calf kicks" when it's been disproven in KB and MT for years. This discussion gets interchanged between MMA and MT/KB frequently so it depends on the sport. If anything, more diverse techniques can work in MMA due to grappling being involved and underdeveloped striking. MT/KB on the other hand is much harder to make waves with compromised stances and strstegies

 

[spacetime]

To be fair the striking is very underdeveloped where rudimentary striking makes waves.

Yes it is but the level of striking in MMA has gone up drastically among the grappling based guys. The most important element of the UFC these days is shoot-fighting, which today means a sort of freestyle fencing type of combat. I think the sports evolution evened the playing field in a very exciting way.

John Danaher made an interesting point how the days of specialists are over. Decorated wrestlers are unable to get a takedown in the octagon unless they learn the MMA sport as well. It's fascinating concidering they used to just sign up and make it to the finals.

 

[j123]

John Danaher made an interesting point how the days of specialists are over. Decorated wrestlers are unable to get a takedown in the octagon unless they learn the MMA sport as well. It's fascinating concidering they used to just sign up and make it to the finals.

All disciplines need to adapt to MMA. Grappling is no exception either, despite what life long grapplers think

 

[spacetime]

I haven't tried out MMA gloves myself but Brandon Krauss says you can't box in those

 

[shincheckin]

Mvp Michael venom page. The gif of him standing wide when he gets clipped by Lima

Herb Dean. Referee. UFC fan saw an athletic and explosive fighter, and the first thing he thought was Herb Dean

ahh i see, you know I dont follow MMA at all dude hahah. Although its just the internet, its essentially the same as writing letters back in the day, just much faster, like a pen pal basically.

 

[j123]

ahh i see, you know I dont follow MMA at all dude hahah. Although its just the internet, its essentially the same as writing letters back in the day, just much faster, like a pen pal basically.

I didn't know you didn't follow it at all, I thought you still knew most of the more common mainstream news

Typical smug nak muay...

 

[shincheckin]

I didn't know you didn't follow it at all, I thought you still knew most of the more common mainstream news

Typical smug nak muay...

yeah man, never liked MMA since before it came out. MMA hater foe life!! <Lmaoo>

 

[shincheckin]

I haven't tried out MMA gloves myself but Brandon Krauss says you can't box in those

Didnt watch THAT video but Brandon Krauss is a great coach and knows wtf he is talking about, IMO at least. I watch a lot of his videos, he seems very knowledgeable and like hes a good guy.

 

[spacetime]

Didnt watch THAT video but Brandon Krauss is a great coach and knows wtf he is talking about, IMO at least. I watch a lot of his videos, he seems very knowledgeable and like hes a good guy.

You should watch it. There's a reason you don't see much jabbing in the UFC, he says, the gloves won't allow it. You'll break your arm if you go full-stop like in boxing according to him.

 

[spacetime]

I didn't know you didn't follow it at all, I thought you still knew most of the more common mainstream news

Typical smug nak muay...

I missed it also.. Last time I checked Cain Valesquez took a ballet dive.

 

[Sinister]

Didnt watch THAT video but Brandon Krauss is a great coach and knows wtf he is talking about, IMO at least. I watch a lot of his videos, he seems very knowledgeable and like hes a good guy.

The notion that you cannot box in MMA gloves is nonsense, the kind of thing a coach lacking in historical knowledge or context (or who has never spent significant time in a boxing gym) would perpetuate to make themselves seem uniquely knowledgeable. The "broken hand" moment demonstrated would have resulted in a broken thumb for for either glove, because the punch was fundamentally incorrect. Remember, I had an amateur fighter snap his thumb in half in a TWELVE ounce glove due to improper point of impact. It wasnt his fault, his opponent made a weird reaction, but the glove did nothing to prevent the break.

Then he proceeds to do a demonstration where he just consciously hits harder with one than the other on a bag. Now sure, it has been demonstrated that without bigger gloves, fighters are a bit more wary of their punches, but it's not on cue. Hand breaks are very very common in boxing and this notion makes it seem like theres a world of comfort punching with 8oz gloves. There isnt.

Also, boxing has been around far longer than foam padded gloves. Those are a very recent invention.

 

[shincheckin]

The notion that you cannot box in MMA gloves is nonsense, the kind of thing a coach lacking in historical knowledge or context (or who has never spent significant time in a boxing gym) would perpetuate to make themselves seem uniquely knowledgeable. The "broken hand" moment demonstrated would have resulted in a broken thumb for for either glove, because the punch was fundamentally incorrect. Remember, I had an amateur fighter snap his thumb in half in a TWELVE ounce glove due to improper point of impact. It wasnt his fault, his opponent made a weird reaction, but the glove did nothing to prevent the break.

Then he proceeds to do a demonstration where he just consciously hits harder with one than the other on a bag. Now sure, it has been demonstrated that without bigger gloves, fighters are a bit more wary of their punches, but it's not on cue. Hand breaks are very very common in boxing and this notion makes it seem like theres a world of comfort punching with 8oz gloves. There isnt.

Also, boxing has been around far longer than foam padded gloves. Those are a very recent invention.

Yeah man i didnt even watch the video, ESNEWS promotes Krauss a lot and I have watched a ton of his videos and hes seems knowledgeable. But I agree with everything that you have said, and not being able to box in MMA gloves is nonsense. I got MT fight in MMA gloves either?!?! Like you said it could just be clickbait, quite a bit of that going on now a days. Aint no way your blocking a knee with 1 hand, while simultaneously kneeing that same leg and kicking another. First move of the vid.

 

[shincheckin]

You should watch it. There's a reason you don't see much jabbing in the UFC, he says, the gloves won't allow it. You'll break your arm if you go full-stop like in boxing according to him.

sinister has already stated why its nonsense.

 

[spacetime]

Also, boxing has been around far longer than foam padded gloves. Those are a very recent invention.

Oh common. They fought much differently back in the bare knuckled days. Two different sports.

 

[thugpoet]

I don't like notions like " boxing related strategies" for X sport. It depends on who you are fighting and your relative abilities.

Boxing has one major rule. Hit and Don't get hit. How you accomplish that is up to you and your coach.

I work with mostly MMA guys but I don't water down what I teach to fit the MMA mold. Boxing is a complete art if you find the right coach. Clinch work, punches, distance management etc are all tools in a boxers toolbox or at least they should be.

 

[shincheckin]

I don't like notions like " boxing related strategies" for X sport. It depends on who you are fighting and your relative abilities.

Boxing has one major rule. Hit and Don't get hit. How you accomplish that is up to you and your coach.

I work with mostly MMA guys but I don't water down what I teach to fit the MMA mold. Boxing is a complete art if you find the right coach. Clinch work, punches, distance management etc are all tools in a boxers toolbox or at least they should be.

I agree with what you say but boxing for mma isnt boxing. Just like boxing for MT isnt boxing. I cross train boxing, but because I am applying the boxing strategies to a MT fight, there is a lot of "boxing" I simply cannot do in MT.

 

[thugpoet]

I don't think there is a such a thing as " boxing for mma" boxing is an art form.

All combat sports are shaped by the rules. If you want to use boxing as your main striking then a mma fight then you will have to make adjustments. Just like if you wanted to use MT in TKD match. That doesn't stop it from being boxing.

 

[thugpoet]

Also I am confident a "thugpoet" fighter can win any free form style fight.

Fighting is more about strategy then it is about tools ( tools are important)

 

[Gratis]

You should watch it. There's a reason you don't see much jabbing in the UFC, he says, the gloves won't allow it. You'll break your arm if you go full-stop like in boxing according to him.

If there isn't much jabbing in the UFC, then it has more to do with the fighters not being able to utilize it properly, not because of the gloves.

GSP famously developed a killer jab after he started training with Freddie Roach, and it became a core part of his striking. Was the reason he didn't do it before because of the gloves, or because he hadn't learned from a world class boxing coach?

Mousasi is another fighter with a great jab and MMA gloves don't prevent him from using it often, he's worked opponents with his jab. He also comes from an amateur boxing background.

I've seen people train and spar with handwraps, and they were still able to jab. If you do it properly, MMA gloves shouldn't be a hindrance to throwing a jab.