Boxing Discussion V

[SBJJ]

Correct, it's not always who you are beating but Brook clearly beat Porter in my opinion; to go Stateside and do that and even be able to get the decision is impressive, he was landing plenty clean shots on GGG.

I take much more value in that than Spence' performances against Algieri and Bundu. Bundu can be tricky but he was also nearly 42 years old and managed to put up a good effort until the finish. Don't get me wrong I like Spence and think he'll be champ one day either way but nothing he has done so far is comparable to what he'll face this weekend. Brook is a completely different style, different animal.

More than anything I'm just excited to see how it unfolds and hope it lives up to the hype.

Man. I just disagree. I think beating Algeri the way he did is far better than beating Port over 12. Algeri could be as good a fighter as Porter. My point is acting like Brook has fough a higher class m(-GGG) is just wrong.

And yes Brook is a different animal for Spence. But the only fighter Brook fought comparable to Spence is GGG. And honestly for the shots Brook landed, and MANY fighters land on GGG. If we are being honest that was an easy fight for GGG.

Even money I'd be all over Spence. -150 I'd still see small value. I'll probably end up with a small bet on Briok and maybe Soence 7-12.

But I'm not confident here and just don't see out of control value on Brook

 

[quincy k]

algieri was coming off a complete war against provo, a paq beatdown and a demanding fight with khan

who knows how much algieri had left before his fight with spence

 

[CR0W]

Man. I just disagree. I think beating Algeri the way he did is far better than beating Port over 12. Algeri could be as good a fighter as Porter. My point is acting like Brook has fough a higher class m(-GGG) is just wrong.

And yes Brook is a different animal for Spence. But the only fighter Brook fought comparable to Spence is GGG. And honestly for the shots Brook landed, and MANY fighters land on GGG. If we are being honest that was an easy fight for GGG.

Even money I'd be all over Spence. -150 I'd still see small value. I'll probably end up with a small bet on Briok and maybe Soence 7-12.

But I'm not confident here and just don't see out of control value on Brook

Brook has fought a higher class, that's not even debatable. Spence's only notable victories are Algieri and Bundu, I'll give you Algieri but Bundu is not that impressive.

Algieri and Bundu vs Porter, GGG and hell even Carson Jones at the time. If you can't admit they are higher class opponents then you are in denial.

Before the fight was stopped Brook has ahead on one score card and level on the other 2 scorecards; it's impossible to say without the injury how the later rounds would have played out, albeit you would favour the bigger man in GGG.

Brook landed 85/261 overall punches (32.6%) and 60/162 power strikes (37%) and that's in 4 and a bit rounds.

Jacobs didn't land as much (per strike thrown) as Brook.

Lemiuex didn't land as much (per strike thrown) as Brook.

Monroe didn't land as much (per strike thrown) as Brook.

What I'm saying is that Brook going up 2 weight divisions done very well against the best in the world.

"But the only fighter Brook fought comparable to Spence is GGG", Don't agree there, Spence has done nothing to be compared to GGG at this point, he's more likely compared to Porter than he is GGG.

Not trying to kick up a big debate but the facts are there; Brook has faced superior opposition, no question.

 

[quincy k]

i bet brook as i think he is going to win the first three rounds and present a live bet opportunity to middle, especially in the uk. the fight could go the way of the first lsc/frampton fight where kells punches get there first. spence loves the hooks and brooks sraigth punches should give errol some problems until he times him or, if possible, walks kell down when he tires

as for spences punch resistance i wouldnt be concerned. imo, guys that rely on hooks generally have excellent punch resistance because they know that they have to take one to give one(garcia,canelo,lemuiex,golovkin, chavez)

 

[CR0W]

i bet brook as i think he is going to win the first three rounds and present a live bet opportunity to middle, especially in the uk. the fight could go the way of the first lsc/frampton fight where kells punches get there first. spence loves the hooks and brooks sraigth punches should give errol some problems until he times him or, if possible, walks kell down when he tires

as for spences punch resistance i wouldnt be concerned. imo, guys that rely on hooks generally have excellent punch resistance because they know that they have to take one to give one(garcia,canelo,lemuiex,golovkin, chavez)

Yeah, Spence does leave himself open the way he throws his hooks very wide. I don't think either guy stops the other, I do think Brook takes the DEC though, even if it's super close, Spence will have to score knockdowns to win a DEC.

 

[quincy k]

kds in multiple rounds

kennedy was kd(the sixth round kd was dubious but was credited) in two seperate rounds by tambwe and still won the 10 round fight.

 

[SBJJ]

Brook has fought a higher class, that's not even debatable. Spence's only notable victories are Algieri and Bundu, I'll give you Algieri but Bundu is not that impressive.

Algieri and Bundu vs Porter, GGG and hell even Carson Jones at the time. If you can't admit they are higher class opponents then you are in denial.

Before the fight was stopped Brook has ahead on one score card and level on the other 2 scorecards; it's impossible to say without the injury how the later rounds would have played out, albeit you would favour the bigger man in GGG.

Brook landed 85/261 overall punches (32.6%) and 60/162 power strikes (37%) and that's in 4 and a bit rounds.

Jacobs didn't land as much (per strike thrown) as Brook.

Lemiuex didn't land as much (per strike thrown) as Brook.

Monroe didn't land as much (per strike thrown) as Brook.

What I'm saying is that Brook going up 2 weight divisions done very well against the best in the world.

"But the only fighter Brook fought comparable to Spence is GGG", Don't agree there, Spence has done nothing to be compared to GGG at this point, he's more likely compared to Porter than he is GGG.

Not trying to kick up a big debate but the facts are there; Brook has faced superior opposition, no question.

Carson Jones was never really good. But he did give Brook a fight. Like I actually said minus GGG their resumes are actually fairly close. Just go look up what critics and other fighters were saying about Brook before Porter. They were calling him a can crusher and saying he was ducking guys.

Now he fights GGG and all of a sudden he's fought everyone. It's just not true. I just don't understand how people can say these things. Go read around outside of this forum. It's just not based in truth

I'm totally on board with Brook having value. But I'm not gonna work a narrative that Brook has been fighting Elites while Spence has fought bums it's just 100% not the case.

If u take out GGG, Porter & Algeri u are left with a mix of lower middle and upper middle tier fighters. These 2 fighters resumes are damn close

 

[SBJJ]

Yeah, Spence does leave himself open the way he throws his hooks very wide. I don't think either guy stops the other, I do think Brook takes the DEC though, even if it's super close, Spence will have to score knockdowns to win a DEC.

Agreed

I do think an early Brook KO is possible as we've never seen Spence take super clean shots from someone like Brook

I also think Spence could very well get a late rd stoppage.

But if it goes to the cards Spence had better whipped his ass

 

[SBJJ]

i bet brook as i think he is going to win the first three rounds and present a live bet opportunity to middle, especially in the uk. the fight could go the way of the first lsc/frampton fight where kells punches get there first. spence loves the hooks and brooks sraigth punches should give errol some problems until he times him or, if possible, walks kell down when he tires

as for spences punch resistance i wouldnt be concerned. imo, guys that rely on hooks generally have excellent punch resistance because they know that they have to take one to give one(garcia,canelo,lemuiex,golovkin, chavez)

Spence has looked weird in a few instances when hit clean. BUT when I boxed(years ago) I would look almost the same way. I actually fought a very similar style. I was 6'1 and fought between 147 and 160. I for some reason loved inside fighting and digging the body. And because of this I would get hit mid combo. And because of my build(somewhat similar to Spence) my head would sort of snap back more then a short stocky fighter. I was never even knocked down but u could hear the gasps when I'd get hit.

What I'm trying to say is it looked worse than it was with me. I hope for Spence sake it's the same deal because if Brook hits him flush when open like that he will need a strong beard

 

[quincy k]

Spence has looked weird in a few instances when hit clean. BUT when I boxed(years ago) I would look almost the same way. I actually fought a very similar style. I was 6'1 and fought between 147 and 160. I for some reason loved inside fighting and digging the body. And because of this I would get hit mid combo. And because of my build(somewhat similar to Spence) my head would sort of snap back more then a short stocky fighter. I was never even knocked down but u could hear the gasps when I'd get hit.

What I'm trying to say is it looked worse than it was with me. I hope for Spence sake it's the same deal because if Brook hits him flush when open like that he will need a strong beard

like i said, imo guys that rely on hooks have good punch resistance or they wouldnt rely on them as a straight punh gets there quicker than a hook

i like kell early and then spence late.

 

[Sham5916910]

Good luck to you too.

I've seen comparisons likening Spence to a WW Gerald McClellan and can see how, albeit not as much power. If he does beat Brook he could definitely become a superstar but I think it's just too soon in his career, either way it should be a fantastic fight.

And we know how gerald fared when he came across the pond as a HUGE favourite...

 

[Shancock9]

A win over porter is way More impressive than 100 wins over Algieri, porter has wins over berto & broner as well as several others good fighters. Algieri's best win is a split vs provodnikov?

Whilst the manner of spence's victories have been impressive he's not beat anyone on porters level yet

 

[pytycrys]

1u Norberto Gonzales @ 9.
He has fought serious competition, while Kanat Islam only fought bums.

 

[CR0W]

And we know how gerald fared when he came across the pond as a HUGE favourite...

Odds for this fight are very similar to the Lacy vs Calzaghe odds where Lacy was supposed to over here dust the Champ. I remember so many people, basically every pundit as well thought Lacy was just a different kind of animal and was going to overwhelm Calzaghe and finish him, even Barry Mcguigan. Hype goes a long way, luckily tomorrow we'll get to find out if it's justified.

Lacy also boxed at the Olympics, a little side note.

 

[Sham5916910]

Odds for this fight are very similar to the Lacy vs Calzaghe odds where Lacy was supposed to over here dust the Champ. I remember so many people, basically every pundit as well thought Lacy was just a different kind of animal and was going to overwhelm Calzaghe and finish him, even Barry Mcguigan. Hype goes a long way, luckily tomorrow we'll get to find out if it's justified.

Lacy also boxed at the Olympics, a little side note.

Let's hope this is another repeat of JC's masterclass on Lacy!

It seems like all the American pundits and fans are on Spence, and vice versa with the Brit's. I take most people's opinion with a grain of salt in that respect. The line opened at evens, i think it's Yank money that has Spence as the fav now.

 

[quincy k]

Groves dec or ITD?

i took the decision. chudinov has shown good punch resistance, 12 round experience, good skin and doesnt bruise easily. also, gorves put some guy in the hospital with swelling to the brain in his last fight so if he is comfortably ahead on points he probably wont go for the ko

 

[CR0W]

Spence weighs in at 146.25
Brook weighs in at 146.5

Stream was cutting out, that's what I made out will confirm asap.

Now confirmed.

 

[quincy k]

1u Norberto Gonzales @ 9.
He has fought serious competition, while Kanat Islam only fought bums.

it looks like norberto is taking that fight on 10 days notice. i like under 8.5 if they offer it

 

[Sham5916910]

Spence weighs in at 146.5
Brook weighs in at 146.7

Stream was cutting out, that's what I made out will confirm asap.

Now confirmed.

How brook look?

 

[CR0W]

How brook look?

Looked fantastic, smiling on the scales, flexing etc best he's look at the weight I'd say and that's without being biased.