Boxers losing in streetfights?

[wilddeuces]

I think boxing as a core skill set for street self-defense is important due to the movement and evasion (of course the punching). But stop kicks to the knees or throwing a knee to their gut while you've got them in a double collar tie can help augment that core skill set wonderfully.

 

[aus101]

People forget how much maintenance is involved with striking efficiency, especially pulling off unorthodox moves like kicks and knees in close quarters combat without stretching or warming up. Essentially a street fight goes to the one who's "ready" first.

Like I said a meth head is gonna lay you out even if you strike first because of the levels of endorphins and adrenaline increased through his system and his complete lack of sensory perception of pain with no need to warm up.

By street fight I'm assuming a situation where two or more groups are aware of the fight at least before getting sucker punched.
(Also excluding situations like crazed meth heads trying to bite your face off) and everyone is able to handle the fight or flight response (I find competitive sport helps at this). Obviously getting jumped gives a massive advantage to the attacker.

Regardless of the situation having the ability to strike and grapple at multiple ranges (instead of solely boxing range) makes the MMA skill set the most effective in a street fight.

 

[asdffdsa]

Of course in a street fight there are possibly conditions that make it not conducive to use pure boxing, but the same can be said for any martial art.

IMO having some background in boxing would give an average person the best chance to land the first strike in a street fight, and that could be all you need against someone with no training.

 

[sportkillergreg]

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[prikoke]

Bas Rutten and multiple people have said that they have grappled and submitted guys in brawl fights. While others were hitting them.

To be honest it doesn't seem that bad to use...You can literally choke out guys in a couple of seconds, while dodging other people's hits depending on the angle your at.

Well most guys can't hit hard enough to knock a pro fighter out even if they get a free shot. But if you're talking about some experienced street fighters they could definitely knock somebody out with a well-placed punch, they could also use a tool to strike.

Didn't Ryan Gracie try to steal somebody's motorcycle and the owner and his buddies hit him in the head and detained him?

 

[karnifx]

By street fight I'm assuming a situation where two or more groups are aware of the fight at least before getting sucker punched.
(Also excluding situations like crazed meth heads trying to bite your face off) and everyone is able to handle the fight or flight response (I find competitive sport helps at this). Obviously getting jumped gives a massive advantage to the attacker.

Regardless of the situation having the ability to strike and grapple at multiple ranges (instead of solely boxing range) makes the MMA skill set the most effective in a street fight.

A street fight refers to any given situation that's unregulated even getting jumped by multiple attackers or meth heads. Assuming you threw kicks in a street fight (without the chance to warm up) they had better be low otherwise they would be all too slow and hence easy to catch. Even low kicks to the shins aren't really worth it because they'll just get you thrown or KO'd while you're paying attention to his legs. This has nothing to do with fight or flight response time, it's about warming up and striking efficiency. Pro fighter's do warm up before a match.

Grappling aspects of MMA and takedowns are worth utilizing but as previously stated only when it's a 1 on 1 scenario.

When you're getting jumped by multiple attackers the best course of action IMO is to inflict as much damage as fast as possible by utilizing dirty techniques like eye gouges, knees to the nuts, elbows to the temples, small joint locks and finger breaks, dislocations like they use in Silat and Vacon, throws to distance yourself from multiple people, and being resourceful by looking for things like tables or bottles to use as weapons, and also using boxing techniques.

MMA is a sport man. Definitely worth learning.

 

[trendnick]

Of course is boxing one of the best you can learn to defend yourself in many typically cases. Of course also not in all cases. The more you know the better (train some basic skills at bjj, judo, wrestling or something similar).

typical case as follows:


Despite the 2 fckers are drunk, what most likely possibility you would have there?
1. After the slap move forward with your girlfriend and verbal accuse them (by moving further away)....
2. Do the same as he has done
3. Stop and ask them why they do that and so on.....
4. Let it be.... move silently away (and tell your GF u didnt see/hear the slap.... :icon_chee and dont understand why she is complaning) .

In any case except 4. it would become a brawl.

 

[PHATV]

A untrained fighter will always beat a skilled boxer....

Common knowledge, but yes. 9/10, anyway.

 

[jlagman]

Brawlers will have a good chance against a Boxer..Specially if they seen MMA.


If the brawler closes in the distance actually takes down the boxer, even with limited MMA knowledge they seen on TV, the Boxer is screwed.

Yeah those little techniques they seen on TV, actually matter a lot.

You're fucking kidding me, right, you're saying an armchair warrior who just watches MMA has an automatic advantage over someone who actually trains?

 

[Reinhard]

You're fucking kidding me, right, you're saying an armchair warrior who just watches MMA has an automatic advantage over someone who actually trains?

That's what I'm saying. It's silly. When people disparage boxing it's always these fantasy match-ups, second-hand accounts and what not. Then they'll compose some imaginary fight between a boxer and an MMA fighter with a result entirely composed of conjecture. They'll disparage all the videos and act like MMA fighters would've done the exact same thing, because "boxing is a part of MMA." Exactly how well did (former) UFC fighter and BJJ black belt Miqael Falcao and his undefeated MMA buddy do against a bunch of random nobodies at some gas station in Brazil? Weren't they supposed to choke them out one at a time?:icon_chee

 

[snobbymmafan]

i can beat ronda and mayweather in a street fight too. i made up my own rules where i carry a gun and i have nothing better to do with my time than fantasize about how objective "THE STREETZ" are for determining which combat sport is better

lets see ronda beat me in a real art called nascar. she won't be using judo against the hood of my car

 

[Spirit Breaker]

That's what I'm saying. It's silly. When people disparage boxing it's always these fantasy match-ups, second-hand accounts and what not. Then they'll compose some imaginary fight between a boxer and an MMA fighter with a result entirely composed of conjecture. They'll disparage all the videos and act like MMA fighters would've done the exact same thing, because "boxing is a part of MMA." Exactly how well did (former) UFC fighter and BJJ black belt Miqael Falcao and his undefeated MMA buddy do against a bunch of random nobodies at some gas station in Brazil? Weren't they supposed to choke them out one at a time?:icon_chee

That video is a good lesson for the young thundercats who are training in combat sports and defense systems so they can "handle themselves in a street fight". It's easy to talk shit about what you would do here, or there, or my personal favorite "once my adrenaline gets going blah blah blah". Fact of the matter is if you get yourself in a dangerous situation around a bunch of people who don't care if they kill you or not you're in a world of trouble no matter how many fancy moves you know. Even Bas Rutten, with his scary YouTube moves, wouldn't be worth much after someone hit him in the back of the head with a 2' x 4'...

 

[Jukai]

TheWire is right. I've been watching MMA for seven years now, I'm tapping out blue belts left and right because I see what's happening on TV!!!

 

[OGquickdraw]

Bro, Street Fights have changed with MMA.

Remember when people use to say "Fight like a man, stand up only" or "Only Girls Kick".

That shit doesn't fly anymore. A Street fight now is what people see on MMA.


So yes an actual Brawler who sees MMA and has been in certain MMA positions in real street fights>Boxer.


You gotta keep in mind that most street fights are not in the park...They take place in houses/stores/bars etc, close spaces where you cant run away...They will eventually Clinch and the fight WILL go to the ground.


A person who has seen MMA and experienced it in a street fight has some knowledge on passing the guard, getting full mount...hell they even know how to do a basic RNC....The boxer would be screwed.

Exactly! That old school boxing stuff doesn't cut it anymore! Never back down!

Any body that has seen MMA would absolutely murk somebody that boxes I mean have you seen MMA, keep you chin up in the air and swing your arms like your swimming someone whose trained their whole life will have no chance!

 

[IloveTHIS]

I am absolutely baffled right now. Ive been watching MMA for over 8 years and have studies all the aspects of fighting with great detail, and been if a few scuffles were grappling/striking was involved.

Id still get my ass handed to me by Floyd Mayweather. Im just really absolutely amazed you think just because someone has watched mma, and been in one or two fights against a complete nobody theyd automatically "wreck" someone who eat sleeps and breaths punching someone in the face.

I just....wow. just wow.

also its funny how your rediculous hypothetical involves the average joe watching MMA religiously and the boxer having never even heard of this scary deadly evil force called "grappling" and "clinch" and "rnc"

yea no boxer has ever watched a single minute of mma...never.

watching 1000 hours of wrestling doesn't mean you will actually be able to take someone down. let alone a top level athlete

 

[The Fan Man]

I was clearly mentioning an actual brawler with fight experience...Sorry but that knowledge experience they have being in certain ground positions, will be enough to wreck a boxer.


The fight will go to the ground if they clinch up, it always does, specially in close spaces.

Also I wasnt talking about top level boxers....I was talking about a regular boxer vs a regular brawler.

But Floyd Mayweather will get fucking wrecked by a normal sized in shape street fighter that weights around 180lbs....Your fucking delusional if you think, in a close space like a bar or something...Mayweather won't be taken down and beaten on.

Stop being over senstive...Boxing works just not in all situations.

Exactly, a guy that can't be touched by trained professionals would obviously get grabbed and taken down by a guy in a tap out shirt who has fought in Buffalo Wild Wings.

Dunning-Kruger Effect

 

[The Fan Man]

Touched with punching....Floyd Mayweather has ended up in the clinch.


In an actual fight, in a bar somewhere, where he can't move back and keep the distance...There is gonna be a clinch and he is gonna be takendown.


It's gonna look like bob sapp beating on some tiny guy.

Boxing fans are worst than the gracies lol.

Dunning-Kruger Effect: Unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude.

 

[KlLLEmAll]

On average the boxer smashes the fuck out of just about anyone without fighting experience.

On occasion the boxer might get sucker punched, taken down, outnumbered etc

 

[sepp2323]

Boxer wins easily 95% of street fights vs untrained people. If you think an average person is going to beat up a pro boxer you are a moron.

 

[slowlypullin]

Imo a 147boxer, like May, can beat a street fighter if the weight differences isnt more than 50lbs and isn't vastly shorter than the other guy. But if ther boxer starts to get up to the 185lb and up range he will beat the shit out of mostly every streetfighter.