Boxers losing in streetfights?

[Ogata]

I was talking to a co-worker of mine and we are both big boxing fans. Not just fan of the sport but the art of boxing as well.

So one thing led to another and we got in to a debate, he feels that boxing is all you need to defend yourself and that there is no way a boxer could lose to a street brawler with no training because pro boxers spar so much that dodging/blocking a street brawler punch is like nothing to them.

Im not sure if I can agree with him, I mean he hands down knows more about boxing but I can't help feel that he is being biasd in this regards?

What do you guys think here? Is he right? Has a pro boxer ever lost in a street fight by a punch/kick from a brawler?


P.S: Just to clarify, I know nothing, I am not stating any opinion but rather just a question.

 

[Kerr Smash]

Kimbo most likely KOs Floyd in the streetz.


Honestly idk man. I guess a boxer would beat a untrained street brawler in a fight. That would make sense.

 

[Cheese]

<<<<<Wasteland

 

[xilliun]

A untrained fighter will always beat a skilled boxer....

 

[fightingrabbit]

What do you guys think here? Is he right? Has a pro boxer ever lost in a street fight by a punch/kick from a brawler?

It's well known that pro boxers cannot defend dropkicks.

 

[slowlypullin]

In a street fight who ever lands the first clean blow usually wins. Its the street run what you brung lol

 

[Reinhard]

In my opinion (definitely with bias), no other competitors from any combat sports are as well-prepared to defend themselves on the streets as boxers are. Not MMA fighters, not Karatekas, not kickboxers, nada. It's simple logic. Grappling in the street is a big no-no. BJJ is near god-tier when it comes to 1v1 street fighting, but in a brawl where anything goes and anybody can jump in, good luck using just BJJ. Things like clinching in Muay Thai and stuff, is kinda like stand up grappling and your entire being is focused upon a single individual; it provides the same disadvantages of grappling, albeit allows you a little more mobility. Kicks in street fights are meh.



Pretty much the end all be all of why boxing is #1 on the street. He's light on his feet and throws bulla punches on the back foot. And that's the whole point, me thinks. He's not impervious to getting blindsided, but for the most part, he's aware of his surroundings and will be much more prepared for another combatant than say a grappler focused on a single individual. He's constantly throwing straight 1-2 punches, never wasting too much energy on useless movements; he's deathly terrifying and terribly efficient. And, most importantly, he's standing up uninhibited by his opponents and will be ready to run should things get TOO hot. BTW, if the information gathered is to be believed; the guy in the video is only an amateur-caliber fighter, and he's a security guard who had a GUN the whole time.
#boxingsuperior

Yeah, man. Boxers aren't invincible on the street, but I'd give the advantage to them over most any other athlete from any other sport.

 

[Fresh Burek]

Boxers should do good against brawlers in an open space, but if it's crowded and there's tables and chairs and stuff around like in a bar, then it's really all about who lands a good punch first.

No combat sport trains to avoid chairs and tables and other people watching the fight. Combat sports are all about controlled environments, and a street fight is not one of those things.

 

[AnimeJoe]

I would definitely give the edge to a boxer in a stand up battle of fisticuffs, but the edge vanishes if the boxer gets taken down or if the street fighter kicks out his knees and maybe his balls.

 

[Jukai]

Dat wing chun, doe

 

[sparkles]

Dat wing chun, doe

Yes, that seems to be the most effective fightsport.
I would say kickboxing is very useful as well, with kicks you can strike from a safe distance and when someoen eats a lowkick from a trained fighter, the fight might already be over.

 

[Reinhard]

Yeah, people can say whatever they want. And, in any case, Bas Rutten is the highest caliber of fighter. I showed you a video of some random boxer who's skills were never quite good enough to give him a recognizable name, nor even compete at the professional level. Question; If you were in a bar, went to go get a drink and came back to see one of your buddies getting mounted and his face smashed in, are you going to sit back and appreciate the other guy's grappling prowess? Or are you going to have an epiphany about how his head is just the perfect height to meet your foot?

BJJ is probably second-to-none in a 1v1 street situation, but I find a lot of these street 'stories' to be overexaggerated and glorified. Arguably the best example of BJJ in a street fight on YouTube is Ryan Hall putting some obscenely drunk guy to sleep, probably just three minutes before he went and passed out on some random corner. Boxing on the other hand doesn't really need to prove anything. There is no need for 'stories' and second-hand accounts, which nobody can really prove, what with the prevalence of boxers kicking ass on YouTube, sometimes even outnumbered

 

[FightsFTW]

I'd give the edge to a boxer, good head movement and defense should keep them safe long enough for the street brawler to gas himself out or leave himself open for a counter. Boxing is essentially the art of hitting your opponent (with your fists) while not getting hit yourself. I agree with those saying that a boxer would do best against multiple opponents as well and would be the most ideal against more than 1 attacker.

If the fight hit the ground, then its pretty much anyones fight. In a 1 on 1 fight I'd give the edge to the MMA fighter every time due to having more options. He could take him down and submit, or if he has decent striking he could get it done there, or strike, but if things get a little hairy, then go for the takedown...etc.

I think you are severely overestimating a common street punk's skills though.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Anyone with any sort of training (especially sparring) would beat a non trained guy in most cases. And I think since most guys in the street would throw punches in a fight generally boxers would win more often than not. The biggest nightmare for a boxer in a street fight would be a judo guy I'd say.

 

[Pem123]

against a street brawlers, Boxing would win

but against other martial art such as K1, FTR, full contact karate or MMA. i don't think they would do that well on street

 

[karnifx]

You could bang somebody's head into a concussive state but if they're all cracked out, on meth, PCP, or a gearhead and they're built well enough even a professional boxer can look like a giant vagina in a street brawl.

Pros probably should avoid real confrontation like that, they risk their career and major prison time. Not to mention the risk of unknown infectious diseases from trading blood with strangers.

 

[yookfarb]

When Angry fighter's fall into a clinch, there's no one to separate them. Wrestling often ensues

MMA is obviously the best for the streets. Boxing is probably 2nd best in most circumstances but probably losses to grappling in 1v1 situations.

A lot of it depends on who. Obviously, I would take a prime Mike Tyson almost just about anyone who ever lived if I was surrounded in a dark alley or the prison yard with a bunch of thugs(unless one of them happened to be Ronda Rousey).

 

[aus101]

In my opinion (definitely with bias), no other competitors from any combat sports are as well-prepared to defend themselves on the streets as boxers are. Not MMA fighters, not Karatekas, not kickboxers, nada. It's simple logic. Grappling in the street is a big no-no. BJJ is near god-tier when it comes to 1v1 street fighting, but in a brawl where anything goes and anybody can jump in, good luck using just BJJ. Things like clinching in Muay Thai and stuff, is kinda like stand up grappling and your entire being is focused upon a single individual; it provides the same disadvantages of grappling, albeit allows you a little more mobility. Kicks in street fights are meh.



Pretty much the end all be all of why boxing is #1 on the street. He's light on his feet and throws bulla punches on the back foot. And that's the whole point, me thinks. He's not impervious to getting blindsided, but for the most part, he's aware of his surroundings and will be much more prepared for another combatant than say a grappler focused on a single individual. He's constantly throwing straight 1-2 punches, never wasting too much energy on useless movements; he's deathly terrifying and terribly efficient. And, most importantly, he's standing up uninhibited by his opponents and will be ready to run should things get TOO hot. BTW, if the information gathered is to be believed; the guy in the video is only an amateur-caliber fighter, and he's a security guard who had a GUN the whole time.
#boxingsuperior

Yeah, man. Boxers aren't invincible on the street, but I'd give the advantage to them over most any other athlete from any other sport.

Boxing is the most useful art in a "street fight" although MMA fighters also train boxing as well as TDD, TD's, elbows, clinch fighting and the other aspects of unarmed combat (kicks and knees etc) that could be useful. I mean you want to be boxing in a street fight but nothing's stopping someone clinching or taking you down so to say only bringing boxing instead of a MMA's fighters well rounded skill set (which boxing is a huge part of) is foolish IMO.

 

[Simmo84]

Your average street fight is going to start with some guy throwing a wild haymaker right that a boxer sees in slow-mo, counters with a jab and ends the matter with a straight right.

 

[karnifx]

Boxing is the most useful art in a "street fight" although MMA fighters also train boxing as well as TDD, TD's, elbows, clinch fighting and the other aspects of unarmed combat (kicks and knees etc) that could be useful. I mean you want to be boxing in a street fight but nothing's stopping someone clinching or taking you down so to say only bringing boxing instead of a MMA's fighters well rounded skill set (which boxing is a huge part of) is foolish IMO.

People forget how much maintenance is involved with striking efficiency, especially pulling off unorthodox moves like kicks and knees in close quarters combat without stretching or warming up. Essentially a street fight goes to the one who's "ready" first.

Like I said a meth head is gonna lay you out even if you strike first because of the levels of endorphins and adrenaline increased through his system and his complete lack of sensory perception of pain with no need to warm up.